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06-23-2020 12:15 PM
Rural Buckeye Guy It may sound really crazy but regardless of whether it does or not, at the end of this decade several of the major global players eill be mutually involved in a global war togethor. Keep an eye on the asian press.....it would stop another great(er) depression likelast time or result in one at its conclusion. Our news entertainment is ignoring what the foriegn press is beginning to hyperventilate upon.
06-23-2020 12:06 PM
zooeyhll Look at history. Times of great economic distress have led to social upheavals, revolutions, and even wars.

The Great Depression of the 30's was a major factor in the rise of Hitler and Nazi Germany. It lead to fascism in other European nations. It also was a cause of Japan's expansionist ambitions.

Conversely, it could also cause a lurch leftwards into various forms of socialism. Even communism.

Political extremism feeds on despair.
06-22-2020 08:52 AM
Gordon Randal
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Originally Posted by BillM View Post
WWII did not make the "Greatest Generation".

The depression made the "Greatest Generation."
I would say that WWII revealed the Greatest Generation. It showed Americans loved their country and would stand up and defend it. The depression probably toughened a lot of people and that helped.

Today's education system specializes in turning out special snowflakes who hate America. They will/are helping destroy America.

Be Prepared !
06-22-2020 12:27 AM
DumbOkie
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My understanding is that poor people reproduce like rats. Working in social services has jaded me. It won't be long before we are again overpopulated. as far as acquiring stuff, I suggest you visit your local swap meet. If society collapses, this is where you will be shopping.
This is what keep the average IQ of the planet so low. See the movie "Idiocracy" for a fun mind experiment.

50% of the people are above average, 50% are below. That's how it's supposed to be, but I swear every time I walk outside I run into 90% of the below average folks. They must all live in my neighborhood. And yes, they reproduce like rats.

I'm all for less government involvement in our lives, but a forced tube-tying of all women at birth sounds like a good idea. Then reverse the procedure if they choose to do so, have no felonies, and score above 110 on an IQ test.

Ok, maybe not, but I maybe free birth control should be added to the handouts in place of free drug needles since they're doing that anyway. Same cost, better result.


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06-21-2020 08:51 AM
goat daddy My understanding is that poor people reproduce like rats. Working in social services has jaded me. It won't be long before we are again overpopulated. as far as acquiring stuff, I suggest you visit your local swap meet. If society collapses, this is where you will be shopping.
06-20-2020 11:59 PM
BillM
thin the herd

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Originally Posted by charliemeyer007 View Post
Paper money is worth its weight in toilet paper, the new bills will larger to make it easier to use as such.

Lot of people alive today never missed a meal. Unfortunately they can't shoot or catch dinner, clean and cook it, don't even consider growing food, or perhaps foraging. Plus they all addicted to antibiotics and preservatives in processed foods.

How many people make or fix stuff? - buy it, use it once and then throw it away is the norm.

The first winter after the collapse will thin the herd. Skills and knowledge are the lightest things to pack on your back
The estimate is that the herd will be trimmed by 90%
06-20-2020 07:20 PM
charliemeyer007 Paper money is worth its weight in toilet paper, the new bills will larger to make it easier to use as such.

Lot of people alive today never missed a meal. Unfortunately they can't shoot or catch dinner, clean and cook it, don't even consider growing food, or perhaps foraging. Plus they all addicted to antibiotics and preservatives in processed foods.

How many people make or fix stuff? - buy it, use it once and then throw it away is the norm.

The first winter after the collapse will thin the herd. Skills and knowledge are the lightest things to pack on your back
06-20-2020 07:18 PM
BillM
1929 compared to 2020

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Originally Posted by slackercruster View Post
I had read about this topic on another forum. The person claimed we may enter a depression from 'the virus.' They said we would do worse now since we are not civilized as back in 1930. And civilized may be the wrong word. What was meant was we are not as nice, have much more guns, much more devision and hatred.

The discussion started out ok, but soon someone brought up white on black lynchings from back in the day. They said people were less civilized back then and nicer now. Then someone brought up all the black on black and black on white crime that was much worse than lynchings. And it went downhill from there.

What do you think? Would people problems be the main issue in a depression or is $$ the main problem?
In 1929, the depression was a worldwide depression.

There were only 2.5 billion people in the world

Today in 2020 there are 7.5 billion people in the world.

Europe and Asia had it worse than we did in America.

In 1929 80% of the working American public worked in agriculture, most on small farms, specializing in truck crops.

In 2020 2% of the working Americans are involved in agriculture, most on large farms specializing in cash crops

In 1929 there was still plenty of food as most of the country was rural, just no money.

In 2020, there would likely be plenty of money but it would be worthless due to hyper-inflation.

For this reason, it is unlikely that countries who currently sell us food ,(like Mexico) would help.

People in this country do not know how to grow food, repair machinery, maintain there homes or do much of anything. Hard work that was taken for granted in 1929 would be completely unacceptable to the majority of our population today.

WWII did not make the "Greatest Generation".

The depression made the "Greatest Generation."
06-20-2020 06:57 PM
Jash Without he trillions already created out of thin air to prop up the ‘economy’, the economy would be well down the sewer system by now and the 1930’s would look kinda nice.

The train wreck is still in motion. Until international travel and unemployment figures go down somewhat, there is a lot of pain ahead for the whole world in the coming years.
06-20-2020 02:53 PM
goat daddy Most will revolve around where you live. I don't see much currency being available. Most of us have our money stashed in the bank, funds or property. I doubt the average family has more that a couple hundred dollars in the home. gold and silver are nice but may not be a good trade item. Most people will be bad, the more people the worse it will be. Should you live in a city, I think you are screwed. Racial issue will relate to organization and area. good people come in all colors but people tend to hang with people of their own color. Non-English speaking people will band together and be a major issue. If it gets really bad, my plan is gather the family close, Keep the garden going and put a few sand bags in strategic areas just in case. Ride out the storm as best we can with as little interaction as possible.
06-20-2020 09:53 AM
goose3 Will we enter a depression from all of this? Who knows? I think there's a nontrivial chance. There's an old saying: "A recession is when your neighbor loses his job; a depression is when you lose yours."

If we descend into a depression, the response will be three things in combination, I think:
  • 1. People will get "money" from the government.
  • 2. People will become more self-reliant.
  • 3. People will take from others who have what they do not.

Any evidence of the above?

  • 1a. We already see evidence of #1 with the coronavirus payments. The government WILL step in as long as it can print money. After that, #2 and #3 will become more common.
  • 2a. Some (like us) will strive to be self-reliant. Not a large proportion, but I think more than we expect. We saw some signs of the unaware becoming less so with the threats of food shortages and the like. Not a majority, but a sizeable minority.
  • 3a. We see some of this in the form of looting. Will it become worse? If the source of funds (#1) dries up, expect it to get worse, especially in urban areas if food supplies become scarce or expensive.

My 2 cents.
06-20-2020 06:40 AM
Camelfilter Different economies then vs now, it will be the jobs (and the lack thereof) which will limit or exacerbate this depression. Hence $.

“Nice” or not doesn’t make a difference, IMO, to “normal folk”. “Normal folk” recognize charity for what it is (either religion based or morally). Help those whom need help, due to circumstances beyond there control. Color/race/gender doesn’t enter into “normal folks” minds when considering helping others.

Evil folk, whom figure its allrite to take what isn’t theirs will soon run into problems of there not being enough willing to let them “take”. HOPEFULLY.

Evil folk may use color/race/gender etc to “try” to take from others. As a wedge/weapon, when they would be FAR FAR better served moving there color/race/gender etc into a better economic footing.

If we can (somehow) flip from a consumer based system back towards a production based system, and extremely quickly, the ramifications of the depression will be markedly limited.

If we don’t, won’t, or can’t, the depression may lag on longer than the Great Depression did. Which was about a decade.



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Originally Posted by slackercruster View Post
I had read about this topic on another forum. The person claimed we may enter a depression from 'the virus.' They said we would do worse now since we are not civilized as back in 1930. And civilized may be the wrong word. What was meant was we are not as nice, have much more guns, much more devision and hatred.

The discussion started out ok, but soon someone brought up white on black lynchings from back in the day. They said people were less civilized back then and nicer now. Then someone brought up all the black on black and black on white crime that was much worse than lynchings. And it went downhill from there.

What do you think? Would people problems be the main issue in a depression or is $$ the main problem?
06-20-2020 04:14 AM
jetgraphics A man with a year's supply of food will outlive a man with a year's supply of money.
A man with two year's supply of food, will be very well off.
06-20-2020 03:24 AM
OlddanTrucker
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I would love those that don’t have a job be put to work at a CCC or building new infrastructure. Tons of roads, bridges, electric, hydroelectric, water, reforestation that could/should occur.
That's how the Stimulus package started out under Bush then the liberals added a bit of this and then a bit of that before you knew it we had a monster 600 page book deal that was signed nobody read.

Bush's version was VERY small way down in the hundreds of millions but he caved in likely seeing his global plans of the Amero were not working out and had an opposite Congress not allowing him to get anything done (Typical since the 1980s) he handed it to the Obama communist people and said "Screw this".

Well later he actually stated that "Any President would have to do the same things I did" when asked why he did weird Democrat things and wouldn't elaborate further.


Obama's version was hundreds of TRILLIONS!! With a capital T to it. Go figure.

And not a SINGLE penny went to actual infrastructure projects. Most went to bosses of Unions and the unions didn't even benefit from it.

Knowing our luck Trump will continue to have an opposite Congress that railroads him then when in 2024 we get a bozo liberal we will have a bozo Republican Congress that blocks him so nothing but arguing happens! The other President will get the blame or credit. The 2024 President will get the blame or credit for whatever good or bad things happen in Trump's next election watch by 2023/2024.
06-20-2020 03:18 AM
OlddanTrucker The 1930s depression was brought about by people living on credit and more people in cities then farms. But farmers and farm states were hit least hard until the dust bowl which did many in.

Ironically Ohio was outside of the dust bowl!
03-30-2020 10:16 PM
Abuck49 IMHO the answer would be people.

The first issue would be Tribes , Religious , political , social & straight up gangs which would include LEO's either retired or active.

Second issue would be food/jobs , some of us here could probably make do in a farming setting but most wouldn't. People today don't really understand work because most of it is done in an air conditioned cubicle. I live in a city but grew up in the country/swamp of Louisiana with my Gramps hunting snakes and whatever else.
03-30-2020 09:59 PM
ralfy A 1930s depression but with a global population that's at least three times larger, much higher resource and energy demands per person, increased arms deployment and firepower, greater effects of diminishing returns, high levels of ecological damage and on-going effects of global warming, and increased vectors for the spread of disease.
03-30-2020 08:28 PM
maintenanceguy Does economic hardship result in more racism? Yes. I have felt a relaxing of racism since Trump took office. I don't think it's because of Trump vs. Obama. I think that when people are prosperous because of a good economy our attitudes are better and we treat others better - even others outside of our own group. But, when people are struggling, scared, and unhappy we take it out on those who are less like us. We still care about "our" people but not so much "other" people.

Add to that the fact that there will be more people who are truly desperate and willing to harm someone else to get what they believe they need. Any of us would more likely choose to harm someone outside of our tribe than within our tribe.

I don't think an economic downturn is going to spark a race war - only that we're going to see more incidences of racism and crime.
03-30-2020 08:05 PM
neiowa
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03-30-2020 05:56 PM
alv7722
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I wonder how many .22 shells a chicken is worth....or anything else.
Perhaps a brick of .22 or an ounce of silver. Point is, few of us can be prepared for a currency collapse. As we approach $28-$30 Trillion in debt, it can be a real possibility.
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