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11-22-2019 11:59 PM
273andme
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Originally Posted by Nomad, 2nd View Post
Yes, because.....





If "they" are at your door you have already lost.

...I seem to recall some saying about eggs and baskets....


Don't fight someone on their terms unless you have no options.

If you have options get your backups and shoot them down when they are walking to their car, drinking beer after work, getting coffee at the drive through etc.

'The Art of War' talks quite a bit about not letting your enemy choose the battle ground or the time.

If your enemy is the govt. and you are defying them in said confiscations and they have to come to your house the engagement is already on your terms and you have chosen where said engagement is going to take place. and you can choose the time as well on their way in/out. when you say wait here ill grab it for you and come back cocked locked and ready to rock.

with modern advances in technology i can an alert to my phone when someone is near and i can say how may i help you with out even opening the door. i can see how many Im dealing with and choose to say Im in the shower give me a sec and put my stuff somewhere only i know. I can even unlock the door and say come on in, i can just ignore them i have lots of options. heck I could tar and feather them when the make it to the front door from my 2nd story that just happend to have a balcony right over my front door
11-22-2019 10:51 PM
Nomad, 2nd
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Originally Posted by AZ_HighCountry View Post
So what is your plan? Turn them in when they knock on your door?
Yes, because.....



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Originally Posted by JBryan314 View Post
Better question: If you’re not willing to shoot the government agents who show up to your home to steal your guns, then why bother keeping them?
If "they" are at your door you have already lost.

...I seem to recall some saying about eggs and baskets....


Don't fight someone on their terms unless you have no options.

If you have options get your backups and shoot them down when they are walking to their car, drinking beer after work, getting coffee at the drive through etc.

'The Art of War' talks quite a bit about not letting your enemy choose the battle ground or the time.
11-22-2019 06:52 PM
JBryan314
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Originally Posted by Big_John View Post
When the day comes that there is a knock on the door, and some leftist LEO's demand a gun owners AR15's..... I am wondering what the gun owner will do????

What if the gun owner hands the LEO's a stripped lower or two and explains that they sold the other parts a while back?

How in the heck will the Govt deal with this action by gun owners?

I am sure a search of the house will ensue.... but when no scary guns are found.... What will they do? What can they legally do?

.......
Better question: If you’re not willing to shoot the government agents who show up to your home to steal your guns, then why bother keeping them?
11-22-2019 06:31 PM
mike in pa
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Originally Posted by RedTail View Post
Wouldn't sacrifice my king to go after my opponent's pawns.
A big yes. People who play chess for many years learn to think around, over, under and outside the box. Unfortunately, many in the younger generations failed to take the time to learn the skills of playing chess which help later in life.
11-22-2019 06:21 PM
RedTail
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Originally Posted by AZ_HighCountry View Post
So what is your plan? Turn them in when they knock on your door?
Wouldn't sacrifice my king to go after my opponent's pawns.
11-22-2019 02:02 PM
AZ_HighCountry
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Originally Posted by RedTail View Post
With all due respect, I hope you and a great many like you make a different choice.

You can play checkers, or you can play chess. Checkers is a worthy game, but those versed in chess should rise to the occasion.
So what is your plan? Turn them in when they knock on your door?
11-22-2019 01:13 PM
glockrocks Looks like Virginia might be the first test case.
11-22-2019 12:56 PM
RedTail
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Originally Posted by ROCK6 View Post
They won't come to my door...plus they know where I work. If given the opportunity...I like the "blaze of glory" farewell...

ROCK6
With all due respect, I hope you and a great many like you make a different choice.

You can play checkers, or you can play chess. Checkers is a worthy game, but those versed in chess should rise to the occasion.
11-22-2019 10:48 AM
JLW1974 I guess if everyone can get deputized by their local sheriff, that would preclude them from the ban or any kind of confiscation???
11-10-2019 02:20 PM
Harmless Drudge
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Originally Posted by Big_John View Post
When the day comes that there is a knock on the door, and some leftist LEO's demand a gun owners AR15's..... I am wondering what the gun owner will do????

What if the gun owner hands the LEO's a stripped lower or two and explains that they sold the other parts a while back?

How in the heck will the Govt deal with this action by gun owners?

I am sure a search of the house will ensue.... but when no scary guns are found.... What will they do? What can they legally do?

.......
They won't. Some people will comply, and the rest will have to hide, while they age, fall out of practice, and their guns slowly slide into obsolescence. In 50 years, today's 30 year old gun nut will be 80 years old, and if he hasn't been turned in to the authorities by his grandchildren, it is extremely unlikely those grandchildren will risk everything for a gun of a design that is, by then, well over a century old.

This is why we need to win now.
11-10-2019 10:12 AM
AZ_HighCountry
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Originally Posted by ROCK6 View Post
They won't come to my door...plus they know where I work. If given the opportunity...I like the "blaze of glory" farewell...
Several of the local cops think like I do. I'm not worried about them.
11-09-2019 06:15 PM
ROCK6 They won't come to my door...plus they know where I work. If given the opportunity...I like the "blaze of glory" farewell...

ROCK6
11-09-2019 06:56 AM
MSTA57 Look at what happened with New Zealand and our “ gun buy back “ for most semi auto longarms.

One week people were paid a price. The next the price was almost doubled or almost halved.

Quite a few made more money by selling in individual parts rather than a whole.

Then a lot of the time people were told that they could t sell certain parts. But in keeping them would leave them with illegal parts
11-09-2019 06:47 AM
JLW1974 The Serbian/Bosnian war is a good example of what might happen. Got so bad they had to bring in the UN and NATO to settle things out. And this was in most folks generation on this board. Amazed at how gruesome people can be when forced into a corner and how quickly it can happen.

Point being, not exactly sure of what will happen once things start (in reality it has started some time ago). But I would wager that if people can still maintain a quality of life, they will 'comply'. Only when it gets so bad complicit folks will be forced to take action.

Felons and criminals already experience this, that is why it so easy for them to keep 'doing bad', as they have VERY limited options.

Death by a thousand cuts is still very effective as you still die at the end.
11-09-2019 06:23 AM
gravedigger
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Originally Posted by 273andme View Post
Food for thought.........

Now there are over 18,000 Federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies around the United States, and it is estimated that there are between 750,000 and 850,000 sworn officers. lets round that to a cool million.
Those numbers ignore the liberals bringing in ten million Communists Chinese, another three million Mexicans, etc. to do their bidding. There are a lot of people around the world who would LOVE to be given Carte Blanche to take guns away from Americans.
11-09-2019 06:04 AM
gravedigger
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Originally Posted by Big_John View Post
When the day comes that there is a knock on the door, and some leftist LEO's demand a gun owners AR15's..... I am wondering what the gun owner will do????

What if the gun owner hands the LEO's a stripped lower or two and explains that they sold the other parts a while back?

How in the heck will the Govt deal with this action by gun owners?

I am sure a search of the house will ensue.... but when no scary guns are found.... What will they do? What can they legally do?

.......
Well ... given that confiscating the guns in the first place is completely illegal, I would imagine that the law will not stand in their way after they do not get your guns. I suppose you will be dragged out of your homes and labeled as part of "The Resistance" and you will be tossed into some makeshift jail until you turn over your guns. Unless of course you kill them at the front door.
11-08-2019 11:14 PM
ksmedman
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Originally Posted by Armtx77 View Post
They wont go door to door.

They will grandfather and make it illegal to transfer to your family. When you die, your family will be forced to hand them in.

How so? Seen the chips in the DL? That is how.
But you say, how are they gonna get all the guns off the street before the chip ID. Simple, your family wont be able to take your AR out to a public range and that makes it all but useless...cant shoot it, cant train with it ane cant be seen in public with it...IT JUST WONT BE WORTH THE HASSLE and they will turn it in and talk about how crazy dad/gramps was.
Perhaps, but I'll be gone then so it's on them.
Besides, my kids already own AR's.
I'll make sure my grand kids do too. At birth.
11-08-2019 10:29 PM
Armtx77 They wont go door to door.

They will grandfather and make it illegal to transfer to your family. When you die, your family will be forced to hand them in.

How so? Seen the chips in the DL? That is how.
But you say, how are they gonna get all the guns off the street before the chip ID. Simple, your family wont be able to take your AR out to a public range and that makes it all but useless...cant shoot it, cant train with it ane cant be seen in public with it...IT JUST WONT BE WORTH THE HASSLE and they will turn it in and talk about how crazy dad/gramps was.
11-08-2019 08:18 PM
ksmedman In my state it's illegal for any gov't entity to confiscate guns, at any level.
The Feds can pass whatever law they want, KS LE can't legally enforce it.
And, most wouldn't anyway.

The Feds don't have the resources to do it themselves, so it becomes moot.
Besides, how many fire fights do they have to have before they start running out of volunteers for the confiscation teams?

What a **** detail that would be... gun confiscator. Yikes.
11-08-2019 07:06 PM
Nomad, 2nd
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Originally Posted by AK103K View Post
Numbers always look good, until it comes down to actually doing something.


Not saying there wont be resistance, and I certainly hope there is. Just dont be surprised if the number you think is showing up, turns out to be a LOT less than what you actually get.
people use the 3% because that's the number they say is the lowest possible # that the revolutionary war was fought with. (As I'm sure you know)
know
I wouldn't get on 10% of that.


But:
Remember 9/11?
How many of them were there?

How many people shooting at transformers would it take to put the lights out?


And thats going to be the number you get to "start" with, dont count on it holding as things get warm.

Very true. That's why 'leaderless resistance ' is such a good idea.

Went through something similar (and it wasnt even on this sort of level) in the 90's with some people, and it turned out, the toughest, tough guy, big mouth talkers, were the ones missing when things started to get warm and people were really needed to show up.

And how!

I sat up the night before we flew out of 29 palms because 'that guy' was crying like a baby about going to Iraq to get shot at.

(He DID end up getting blown up and then commuting suicide when the VA wouldn't help him, so.....)


Of course, when things calmed down, and the heat was off, they were right back to being the tough-talking big mouths and tough guys. Learned a lot from that.
Yep

Just make sure you REALLY know who has your back.
You can count the people you can count on on the thumbs of one hand.

But back when I was a lowly nonrate:
I had a plan that I had gone around and looked at to spike all the vehicles in motor T and mess up the dial on the vault the weapons were in.

When it failed it took 3 days for the locksmith to drill it out. I know, I got to stand part of the 24 hour guard

One lowly Marine could of left a company with no weapons and no vehicles.... for a minimum of 3 days.

You think there aren't Marines like that out there right now?

EXCELLENT CHANCE I would not of been found out.


The only ones you can really count on, are those that helped you bury the bodies. Seriously!
agreed

As far as "going Gault" anymore, I think thats getting to be a lot more difficult. Maybe on a very small scale in the right places, but even here in the hinterlands, more and more, most dont even carry cash, and everyone has a smartphone and Book Face is a lifestyle.
smartphones will be the biggest problem. But plenty of people with cash, gold, silver etc. and people trade...


Maybe go Amish, that way you can use religion as an excuse (for the time being) not to have to do what everyone else is doing, and the illusion youre not a threat.

Im betting you'd look good in a bowl cut, beard, and straw hat though.

And what is that thing there on a tripod you got there in the back of your wagon son?
I'm pretty well off the active list, at this point I'm just going to give away my guns and ammo and fade away into the hills.

OTOH: Catch me on a bad day....
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