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11-10-2013 11:51 PM
MTShawn
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Originally Posted by bestshot_1 View Post
You all might want to read up a bit on Radioactive fall out attenuation.. just a thought
Yeah, we all know what that is. Resurrect a thread telling people to use Google.

Granted, the information is on this site already but, what was the point of your post?

"Hi, I am important, read about EMP, Fallout patterns, Line of sight radiation protection. Just a thought" Did you ever think to provide links? or anything?

BTW, "fallout attenuation" is a bit of a misnomer. If you want to be helpful you might want to explain in detail because, as written, it leaves much to be desired.
11-10-2013 11:44 PM
MTShawn
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Originally Posted by mcreynoldsair View Post
I thought about selling bunkers I can build a good size one for about 12 k

Gee thanks. No information. Nothing to help people. All you did, was state that you 'might' be able to build something for 12 grand. Reallly?
11-10-2013 11:33 PM
MikeK If you can't afford one, don't sweat it. Hardly anyone has them. And there are very few scenarios where they would even be important unless you're in hurricane or tornado prone places. Don't let those stupid "survival" TV shows get to you.
11-10-2013 11:25 PM
bdcanefly I used to do civil work in naval base's, I do not want an underground shelter.
The base's bunkers are above ground, just build the bunker and cover it up.
I an working on a design for my backyard,my wife wants a large cascading waterfall. I figure I can do about 10x15 room with hidden door,half underground and half above.



BDC
11-10-2013 07:25 PM
GPArcher Spring break / summer project is going to be to put one in the crawl space. More of a crouching place of last resort. Does *not* double as a storm shelter because crawl spaces are a bad place to go, whether you have a cinderblock shelter in there or not.

Primary purpose is radiation protection; double wide cinder block walls and piled up debris on the floor above will provide some protection.

I don't know, let's face it. If it comes down to it the basement shelter is probably just buying us some time...limited at that.
11-10-2013 06:16 PM
mcreynoldsair I thought about selling bunkers I can build a good size one for about 12 k
11-10-2013 04:23 PM
bestshot_1 You all might want to read up a bit on Radioactive fall out attenuation.. just a thought
02-13-2013 08:40 PM
wildcat84
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Originally Posted by allgoodnamestaken View Post
One good reason for an underground shelter is for cooler temperatures. The temperature where I am now was over 100 degrees yesterday. If not for air conditioning, it would have been torture...
I used to live in a house that had a basement that was completely underground. This had the same effect: ie, when the AC failed it was still cool and comfortable down there even in the summer.
07-21-2012 12:14 PM
allgoodnamestaken
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Originally Posted by marbro View Post
Nuclear fallout or chemical weapons would be the only thing I can think of to have a bunker for. But...even if you build one I wonder how you go about drinking water and air control.

Because both will be contaminated.

Water, you might be able to dig a well on the cheap but how are you going to filter air? I really would like to know... I know folks who have the money can have a nice bunker built with toilets, air control and water but some folks are telling this guy to just dig a hole and throw concrete down it. I dont think it will be that simple. If it were, The underground tunnles below towns and cities may be a better option. Dangerous but about the same as digging a whole and throwing concrete down.

Personally, the ammount of prep you would need to survive a nuclear war or chemical attack via bunker would be to expensive. buy a protective suit (a mask itself is pretty much worthless), jump down a manwhole and hope for the best.

otherwise practice bushcraft, navigation, urbon survival skills, know how to aquire aquire and filter water in both wilderness and cities. No how to aquire shelter and food. Keep on the move and look for like minded folks.

Good luck
One good reason for an underground shelter is for cooler temperatures. The temperature where I am now was over 100 degrees yesterday. If not for air conditioning, it would have been torture...
07-20-2012 09:07 PM
MR_SLOW Home made bunkers can be a dead trap if you don't know what your doing,Don't use logs as they can rot with time.
07-20-2012 07:12 PM
Support_Sys_Alpha
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Originally Posted by Run4Cover View Post
I contacted a company Safe Zone Shelters and they make beautiful underground bunkers. However I don't have $65,000 to spend on it. I can't build my own because....well I just can't lol. I'm left scratching my head....I guess my basement will have to work when the SHTF. For those of you out there that can not afford the hefty price for a "condo" style bunker where will you and your family be hunker'd down at? Any other alternatives to going underground? Just curious.
Formworks home designs makes plans you can do yourself. It uses steel re-bar and concrete. Once you have plan plans it's literally connect by the numbers.
http://formworksbuilding.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Formw...29307297091952

For a 2000sq ft home it's about 115k, but for a bunker, if you do the majority of work yourself, you're looking t something much smaller, with a lot less invested supplies.

Check em out sometime.
07-20-2012 05:39 PM
marbro Nuclear fallout or chemical weapons would be the only thing I can think of to have a bunker for. But...even if you build one I wonder how you go about drinking water and air control.

Because both will be contaminated.

Water, you might be able to dig a well on the cheap but how are you going to filter air? I really would like to know... I know folks who have the money can have a nice bunker built with toilets, air control and water but some folks are telling this guy to just dig a hole and throw concrete down it. I dont think it will be that simple. If it were, The underground tunnles below towns and cities may be a better option. Dangerous but about the same as digging a whole and throwing concrete down.

Personally, the ammount of prep you would need to survive a nuclear war or chemical attack via bunker would be to expensive. buy a protective suit (a mask itself is pretty much worthless), jump down a manwhole and hope for the best.

otherwise practice bushcraft, navigation, urbon survival skills, know how to aquire aquire and filter water in both wilderness and cities. No how to aquire shelter and food. Keep on the move and look for like minded folks.

Good luck
07-20-2012 05:25 PM
Writer's Block I am planning to build my own, as well as put a safe room in my basement, as soon as I have some cash to put into it.

You can research and learn everything you need to do this sort of stuff. Practice on small scale first, then work your way up.
07-20-2012 05:23 PM
Tenfeathers
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Originally Posted by Run4Cover View Post
I contacted a company Safe Zone Shelters and they make beautiful underground bunkers. However I don't have $65,000 to spend on it. I can't build my own because....well I just can't lol. I'm left scratching my head....I guess my basement will have to work when the SHTF. For those of you out there that can not afford the hefty price for a "condo" style bunker where will you and your family be hunker'd down at? Any other alternatives to going underground? Just curious.
Just a thought my father always told me that can't can never do anything unless your physicly unable to do the work what's the problem.

Just make a plan and get to it.
07-20-2012 04:20 PM
oddgunner
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Originally Posted by Gunner65 View Post
Here is one thing about a basement… It can get broken into very easy…
Think about it, block or concrete around you and most times under you… BUT what is above you? Wood…. What goes through wood? Axe’s, chainsaw, and jigsaw, radial trim saw… etc…

So planning on a basement in a SHTF scenario may not be the best. Now for storms and such yes it will be ok but if gangs of looters are going house to house and you have the basement door really sealed so they can’t come down and get you or your things…. They will cut through the wooden floor… It would not take much time or effort…

Now building a safe room in the basement with thick concrete and rebar and even adding plate steel… That will help. They may take the time to get through the floor into the basement but may not have the time or tools to get into the concrete safe room…

But you can bet they will be back with what they need so it will buy you time to get your things and family and get out…

Just a thought everyone…
Gunner
Go ahead and try cutting though my floor with a chain saw and you will find out how fast bullets come out of the basement.
07-20-2012 03:57 PM
Fenrell The only thing I would use one for is for a fallout shelter. Wish I could afford one (I would need to buy land to put it on first.)
07-20-2012 03:32 PM
Santo7346
Me too yo

Im in the same situation thatyour are in. i have not the ability to purchase, or build one. i have no basement and live in an appartment so no base ment and this planet is about to go through some realy rough natural disasters very soon. so i know not what todo either.


Oh, and on top of that, people seem so oblivious to the fact.
02-24-2012 09:58 AM
choose liberty
bunkers

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Originally Posted by Run4Cover View Post
I contacted a company Safe Zone Shelters and they make beautiful underground bunkers. However I don't have $65,000 to spend on it. I can't build my own because....well I just can't lol. I'm left scratching my head....I guess my basement will have to work when the SHTF. For those of you out there that can not afford the hefty price for a "condo" style bunker where will you and your family be hunker'd down at? Any other alternatives to going underground? Just curious.

It depends on what you believe will happen. If you think that we will see a depression, a WROL scenario, Pandemic or something like this, you probably don't need a bunker.

However, you might need an undergournd bunker if you believe one of the following could occur: Nuclear war, Nuclear reactor meltdowns, Biological or chemical attack, Solar Flares causing high winds in excess of 100 mph, Massive earth quakes shredding most living structures, Super volcanos with associated toxic gasses and possible heavy debris, Astroids, Meteors, Etc.
Bunkers also protect against other earth changes such as massive wild fires, increased tornadoes. They are also great insulators against cold and heat, should the power fail. Bunkers in my area if burried properly maintain temps between 50 and 60 degrees.

In the end, you will need to choose your poisen and prepare accordingly.

Also, you don't need to spend $65K on a bunker. You should be able to buy a 10 wide by 30 foot steel culvert for $220 a foot. And then add at least another $10K for labor and other materials. By doing it yourself you should be able to cut the $65K by two thirds.

If this is too much for you, then find a location that is away from people and build something that does not need a permit. You can use wood posts and dig it by hand (this would take a long time),but people have done it on shoe string budgets (check Youtube).

If this doesn't work for you, get up in the hills and find an old mine shaft, or a rock cave to prepare in. I have both of these in my hunting area and if I didn't have a shelter, I would use this. Both of these are on public lands and if I didn't have a place to go, I would use one of these if I had to and if I could get to it in time.

And lastly, if you are a city dweller, there are alot of sewer tunnels in most cities. My city has one that we used to play in as kids. You could scout out one of these areas in advance and be prepared to haul in enough food and water for a week or two, this would no doubt require MRE's or dehydrated food because of weight. Water is going to be a bit heavy unless you stashed it there in advance and rotated it now and then.

cheers
Liberty
02-22-2012 06:17 PM
KLF
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Originally Posted by cj06 View Post
the underground bunker idea was born during the cold war , early 60s when we Americans thought that Russia was going to send some Nukes this way witch did not happen !
The house my parents currently live in was built just after WW2. People still remembered russian bombing runs and that clearly shows in the house design, altough it isn't spoken aloud. I didn't think much of it when I was a kid but now I can see and understand the design.

Basement walls are approx. 70x70x100cm thick granite blocks with a concrete wall inside. Basement ceiling is also very thick concrete, I'd guess its also close to the 70cm. It's 2am here, so I'm not going to visit my parents to check that more closely. I don't think they would understand afterall.

On the walls there is small windows with large windowsills, good to put sandbags on. Two exits on the opposite ends, staircase inside, all windows big enough for a man to crawl thru and they are on all sides.

The house itself is two story wood framed, sitting on top of this concrete/granite box. It was thought to withstand a bomb* dropped on the roof (it would explode in the attic). A fire bomb would burn the house but it probably wouldn't eat thru the concrete floor/ceiling.
*whatever those russians threw at us during the war.

Likewise, the basement of this apartment building where I live (built in '76) is also an air-raid shelter. Buildings above certain size are required to have shelters built in, they need to withstand the building collapsing on them and also provide NBC protection of some sorts. Getting bombed is less likely nowadays, more likely a chemical transport ship blews up in the nearby harbor or something similar happens that would require sheltering. Worst natural disasters here are heavy snows... and I've already prepped for those, got a quattro. :D
02-22-2012 03:35 PM
deepflip6 btw nwss is an online book but u should order one. all the pics are clearer that way. all the stuff in the book was tested back in the 70s with actual nuclear weapons. u don't get much better than that man.....
semper fi
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