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06-10-2019 01:18 PM
ActionJackson Human beings are spiritual beings (even the ones who don't believe it). Whether anyone accepts it or not, humans serve a spirit of some sort. Some serve the Holy Spirit and others a different spirit (of which there are many).

It's in the human's nature to seek answers to so many hidden questions. Since we're all flawed, we're all going to come to incorrect conclusions from time to time. Since we're self-centered, egotistical, imperfect beings, we're going to think that OUR WAY is the only way or the best way. That's why we all need the Bible to fall back on when we start heading into "left field."

Some of us also like to debate (like Christ did with the Pharisees on so many occasions) so it's in our personal natures to gravitate towards controversial topics or issues. I sometimes fall into this category as it keeps my mind active and thinking and seeking.

Religion has been a "hot topic" since the time of Adam onward. The Israelites warred with people of other religions back in Old Testament and they even warred among themselves. It seems to be in our DNA. I happen to like putting on the armor and going to battle. I don't see Christianity as a pacifist religion (even if that's the direction it has gone in recent decades). I see it as the truth that should be told. I like the fighting spirit of our Christian Founding Fathers. They didn't stand for the antics of the King Georges of the world (including religious dictators) -- thank God.

A Christian should have an agenda, however. Seek the truth; pray for truth; live the truth (as best as we can); and preach the truth as written in God's Word, the Bible.
06-09-2019 06:11 PM
NCalHippie
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Plato's Apology might interest you concerning Socrates' daemon. Here's an article which discusses it:
https://modernmythology.net/socrates...s-c5c080641ae5
Yes, I researched that years ago. Thanks.
06-09-2019 03:27 PM
Trogshak
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For me, it came from meditation and actively searching for "God". The consciousness answered and since then, I am in almost constant with it.
Plato's Apology might interest you concerning Socrates' daemon. Here's an article which discusses it:
https://modernmythology.net/socrates...s-c5c080641ae5
06-09-2019 12:34 PM
NCalHippie
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What is the starting point for this endeavor?
For me, it came from meditation and actively searching for "God". The consciousness answered and since then, I am in almost constant with it.
06-09-2019 12:26 PM
ebjr1967
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How does an agnostic determine that there is an "Infinite One"?
I don't know, I'm not an agnostic, but if you were to ask me, I would say look around you.
06-09-2019 11:11 AM
Trogshak
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How have you come by way of this belief in the consciousness of the universe? How will you explain it to me in terms that are not man-made?
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Everyone must find their own connection to the consciousness, the Tao that can be spoken is not the true Tao.
What is the starting point for this endeavor?
06-09-2019 11:06 AM
Trogshak
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Agnostic is a word that has been long misunderstood, a half truth.

"Unknowing, or agnosia, is not ignorance, or absence of knowledge as ordinarily understood, but rather the realization that no finite knowledge can fully know the Infinite One, and that therefore, He is only truly to be approached by agnosia, or by that which is beyond and above knowledge." Dionysus the Areopogite.
How does an agnostic determine that there is an "Infinite One"?
06-09-2019 09:08 AM
NCalHippie
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This is what I'm attempting to convey. There is not much interest here to learn and understand other views on God, but how can you fully understand your own beliefs if you don't take the time to understand the rest of the world around you?
Believe me, I have spent many years trying to understand other people's religious beliefs and have become very comfortable with my own.
06-09-2019 09:04 AM
ebjr1967
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Everyone must find their own connection to the consciousness, the Tao that can be spoken is not the true Tao.
This is what I'm attempting to convey. There is not much interest here to learn and understand other views on God, but how can you fully understand your own beliefs if you don't take the time to understand the rest of the world around you?
06-09-2019 08:43 AM
NCalHippie
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But in doing so you just created your own man made version of God. See the irony.
The difference is, I'm not trying to force others to believe in my version.
06-09-2019 08:42 AM
NCalHippie
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A reasoned argument for God has been made:
https://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraGentiles1.htm


How have you come by way of this belief in the consciousness of the universe? How will you explain it to me in terms that are not man-made?
Everyone must find their own connection to the consciousness, the Tao that can be spoken is not the true Tao.
06-09-2019 08:30 AM
ebjr1967
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If this is true, how can we even conceptualize God as Creator?
I am only a man, how would I know? Most are taught that they know God through their societal conditiong of that time.
06-08-2019 10:14 PM
9111315 A lot of this Good vs that Evil threads?

I guess you have not noticed all the many many many 9 mm vs 45 cal threads.

To each their own. Liberty! 'Merica!
06-08-2019 07:28 PM
JL1
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In my opinion, man has created his own conceptualized version of God with absolutely no proof of what they claim.

I absolutely believe in the consciousness of the Universe, just not any man made version of what it is.
But in doing so you just created your own man made version of God. See the irony.
06-08-2019 06:54 PM
Trogshak
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In my opinion, man has created his own conceptualized version of God with absolutely no proof of what they claim.
A reasoned argument for God has been made:
https://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraGentiles1.htm
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I absolutely believe in the consciousness of the Universe, just not any man made version of what it is.
How have you come by way of this belief in the consciousness of the universe? How will you explain it to me in terms that are not man-made?
06-08-2019 06:18 PM
NCalHippie
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Originally Posted by Trogshak View Post
If this is true, how can we even conceptualize God as Creator?
In my opinion, man has created his own conceptualized version of God with absolutely no proof of what they claim.

I absolutely believe in the consciousness of the Universe, just not any man made version of what it is.
06-08-2019 05:57 PM
Trogshak
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The realization that you, mere man, could not possibly fully understand your Creator. It is beyond our words, beyond our knowledge to even begin to perceive God.
If this is true, how can we even conceptualize God as Creator?
06-08-2019 03:04 PM
NCalHippie
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The realization that you, mere man, could not possibly fully understand your Creator. It is beyond our words, beyond our knowledge to even begin to perceive God.
Your opinion has been noted.
06-08-2019 02:50 PM
ebjr1967
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What is this approach which is beyond and above knowledge?
The realization that you, mere man, could not possibly fully understand your Creator. It is beyond our words, beyond our knowledge to even begin to perceive God.
06-08-2019 11:11 AM
Trogshak
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... Agnostic is a word that has been long misunderstood, a half truth.

"Unknowing, or agnosia, is not ignorance, or absence of knowledge as ordinarily understood, but rather the realization that no finite knowledge can fully know the Infinite One, and that therefore, He is only truly to be approached by agnosia, or by that which is beyond and above knowledge." Dionysus the Areopogite.
What is this approach which is beyond and above knowledge?
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