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06-18-2019 11:45 AM
Peter
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Originally Posted by goat daddy View Post
I have a Ruger 77/357. It has been by deer rifle for the past few years. I have a Winchester 94 in 357. I'm not a fan of lever guns. the Ruger wins hands down.

Pro's and con's to both, sadly I remember the downward spiral of Winchester to it's ultimate yard sale like demise. If you ever need parts for your 357 lever browning has them.
06-18-2019 11:22 AM
atomicsmurf I ended up having some issues with the Henry. Mainly the lever kept dropping about two inches when firing .357. Sent it back to Henry for repair. Still did it. Other times the lever would get stuck and had to yank down pretty hard to get it loose. Guess I got a lemon. Ended up selling it to a gun shop.

I did find that the Remington 130gr FMJ's fed pretty well in the Henry. Compared to the .357 mag the shape and height of the bullet were closely matched.

Are there any issues with the Marlin 1894c?
https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever...94/model-1894c

I'm really diggin' that 1894CST, but man the price is crazy...
https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever...model-1894-cst
03-19-2019 01:40 AM
drobs If you reload, I find that 158gr lead semi-wadcutter 38 specials with a starting load of Clays powder are mouse fart / suppressor quiet our of my Rossi 92 lever action.

I haven't been able to reload in the last 6 years because of work. I stock up and shoot bulk PPU 38 special:

https://www.sgammo.com/product/38-sp...partizan-ppr33
03-18-2019 11:31 PM
goat daddy I have a Ruger 77/357. It has been by deer rifle for the past few years. I have a Winchester 94 in 357. I'm not a fan of lever guns. the Ruger wins hands down.
03-18-2019 05:29 PM
Arminius
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Originally Posted by Observer View Post
I own 4 lever action rifles. A Marlin 39A .22, a Winchester 9422M ,22magnum, a Marlin 1994S .44 magnum, and a Winchester 94, 30-30. I will probably buy a few more Marlins and maybe a Savage!
nice plan!


Now set them up optically according to caliber and intended use


And you are missing at least ONE .38/.357 better get 2.


Hermann
03-17-2019 10:30 PM
pfc0311 My Rossi 92 .38/.357 magnum 20" stainless.
02-19-2019 05:43 PM
Peter
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Originally Posted by Survival_Joe View Post
Taylors and Company Model 92 take down in .357! That's the way to go.

https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/long...16-357mag.html

You wouldnt believe how nice these guns are.

I actually had a Taylor and Company TD in 357, way back when I was into buying, selling and trading, wished I'd hung onto it. Beautiful case hardened receiver and nice metal work. Beautiful period replica.
02-19-2019 10:00 AM
Survival_Joe Taylors and Company Model 92 take down in .357! That's the way to go.

https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/long...16-357mag.html

You wouldnt believe how nice these guns are.
02-15-2019 10:53 AM
atomicsmurf Took the Henry H012MR to the range again yesterday, and was able to test some stuff out since nobody was there.

At 7 yards:

1st Shot of Remington 125gr SJHP .38+P penetrated two blocks of 2x4, and dinted the 3rd. Nice mushroom on it.

2nd Shot of Remington ^same load, penetrated into the third block, about half way through, also a nice mushroom.

I then did one shot of Rem 130gr .38spl FMJ and it penetrated the 3rd block, nearly exiting, splitting the wood. Fully intact jacketed bullet.

I didn't test the .357. But Here's a piece of advice for Henry .357 owners. Find a .38 spl that resembles the length of the .357. The Rem 130gr FMJ's fed flawlessly. The Winchester 130 FMJ's caught a little in feeding, as did Fiocchi 158 JHP.

I switched to my Henry .22lr and did a similar test.
1 shot with the CCI Stinger did not penetrate the first block.
2 out of 3 shots with the CCI Velocitor penetrated the second block and imbedded in the 3rd. All three bullets mushroomed good.

Shot clays at 50 yards with both rifles easy. Very nice guns!!
02-14-2019 02:08 PM
Peter Obviously we've had very different experiences with the 77/357 magazine and rimlock. I seriously doubt Ruger would have passed on the opportunity to sell a new and improved 77/357 magazine if rimlock had presented itself as a serious issue or design flaw...Although it would be nice if they came out with a higher capacity magazine for the 77/357. As it stands now if I want higher capacity I switch over to a lever action. It's nice to have choices...
02-13-2019 07:16 PM
AK103K
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Originally Posted by Peter View Post
I believed we covered the rim lock issue in a previous thread, I tested it out. As I recall I was (with some difficulty) able to induce rimlock, and a able to push past it with a tap to the bolt handle. So yes it is possible yet fairly easy to overcome. So kind of an issue but not really...YMMV
Yea, mine did. Maybe they addressed it some with newer guns, but I never was able to solve it with a "tap" on the bolt, I had to take the mag out and "unlock" things, and that was with all the mags I had.

It also did it way more regular than I liked, and I never had to "try" and induce it, it just did it all on its own.

Between that and the gun not liking my 38 load, if I had kept it, I wouldnt have bothered with them in it. I generally dont bother with 38's in 357 handguns either.




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I can see where a NECG rear peep sight might give you problems I tried one on a Ruger #1 and experienced (range of adjustment) problems. I would attribute that problem to NECG not Ruger. I just use the iron sight as they came on the rifle. I mounted optics (Bushnell TRS 25) and left the iron sights there as back up. However I made sure they were properly adjusted before mounting the optics.
I found the NECG, while fairly well made, but poorly thought out, to be very "fiddly", and a PITA in general. Not being able to take the aperture out and use it as a ghost ring was a big negative for me.

Mine did work with the factory front sight, but just barely. I couldnt mount it on the rearmost ring mount, where it belonged because it interfered with the bolt, and that wasnt going to work. It did work up on the second, more forward ring mount, but then it was really to far forward to get a proper cheek weld and eye relief.

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I noticed in the article they removed the butt plate/pad and was using the hollow in the stock to store items. It's a fair idea as long as one has a screwdriver handy to access the contents of the stock.
I saw that too. If you stuffed enough foam in there with it, to help quiet things down and keep things form moving around, it probably would be OK. I just find those hollow plastic stocks to be noisy otherwise, and usually, have better balance and are quieter with something in them.

You know how things go too when you force yourself to need a tool to get at things.
02-13-2019 06:50 PM
Peter
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Originally Posted by AK103K View Post
I had a 77/357 when they first came out. At first blush I liked it, but as time went on, it was just another Ruger, and I didnt have it long.

My biggest complaint was the mags. They kind of cheaped out on them and they werent all that well made, and spares were expensive.

They worked OK with 357mag's, they tend to rim lock with 38s. Once it locks up, you have to remove it from the gun and fiddle with it to get the rounds out. The difference in OAL between the 357's and 38's is the problem, and handling and recoil are all it takes to get the 38's to lock up.

My rifle didnt like the loads I usually use with my 38 revolvers, 158 grain LSWC's, which was another minus for the .38's. It liked my 357mag 125 grain JHP loads a lot better.

A decent peep would have been a better choice. Unfortunately, there really arent (werent) any available when I had mine.

Mounting a scope was easy enough, and mine came with a set of rings, but, with the scope mounted, the bolt knob was basically right up against the scope when raised to its highest point, making quick cycling a bit difficult.

A larger bolt knob would be nice too, but would just add to the problem with the scope, and also likely with any iron sights added to the ring mounts. That was also an issue with mine when a NECG peep was mounted.

I also wish ALL the current gun makers would make a replacement butt plate for any of the rifles currently made. I hate recoil pads, and for most things these days, they are totally unnecessary, but they have one on these rifles as well, and you have to fit youre own.

Foam in the stock would also quiet things down.

I only paid a little over $500 when I got mine. I see they are now commanding almost $800+, if you can find one. I can see maybe the $500. I wouldnt do it for $800.

I believed we covered the rim lock issue in a previous thread, I tested it out. As I recall I was (with some difficulty) able to induce rimlock, and a able to push past it with a tap to the bolt handle. So yes it is possible yet fairly easy to overcome. So kind of an issue but not really...YMMV


I agree the magazines for the 77/357 tend to be on the spendy side 30-40 bucks ea. depending on who you buy from. Yet they seem to be a quality magazine as far as polymer magazines go. I have a couple of spare still in the blister pack and the original has not given me any problems...yet. When or if it does I'm ready with a spare.


I can see where a NECG rear peep sight might give you problems I tried one on a Ruger #1 and experienced (range of adjustment) problems. I would attribute that problem to NECG not Ruger. I just use the iron sight as they came on the rifle. I mounted optics (Bushnell TRS 25) and left the iron sights there as back up. However I made sure they were properly adjusted before mounting the optics.


I noticed in the article they removed the butt plate/pad and was using the hollow in the stock to store items. It's a fair idea as long as one has a screwdriver handy to access the contents of the stock.
02-13-2019 04:26 PM
AK103K I had a 77/357 when they first came out. At first blush I liked it, but as time went on, it was just another Ruger, and I didnt have it long.

My biggest complaint was the mags. They kind of cheaped out on them and they werent all that well made, and spares were expensive.

They worked OK with 357mag's, they tend to rim lock with 38s. Once it locks up, you have to remove it from the gun and fiddle with it to get the rounds out. The difference in OAL between the 357's and 38's is the problem, and handling and recoil are all it takes to get the 38's to lock up.

My rifle didnt like the loads I usually use with my 38 revolvers, 158 grain LSWC's, which was another minus for the .38's. It liked my 357mag 125 grain JHP loads a lot better.

A decent peep would have been a better choice. Unfortunately, there really arent (werent) any available when I had mine.

Mounting a scope was easy enough, and mine came with a set of rings, but, with the scope mounted, the bolt knob was basically right up against the scope when raised to its highest point, making quick cycling a bit difficult.

A larger bolt knob would be nice too, but would just add to the problem with the scope, and also likely with any iron sights added to the ring mounts. That was also an issue with mine when a NECG peep was mounted.

I also wish ALL the current gun makers would make a replacement butt plate for any of the rifles currently made. I hate recoil pads, and for most things these days, they are totally unnecessary, but they have one on these rifles as well, and you have to fit youre own.

Foam in the stock would also quiet things down.

I only paid a little over $500 when I got mine. I see they are now commanding almost $800+, if you can find one. I can see maybe the $500. I wouldnt do it for $800.
02-13-2019 01:46 PM
Peter As much as I like .357 lever action rifles there is another .357 rifle that I truly like and has a lot going for it. The 77/357 is also a solid performer.
https://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/08/2...urvival-rifle/
02-13-2019 01:09 PM
atomicsmurf Called Henry and asked if they had a regular loop that I could buy for this gun. They took my info and are sending one out. For free.
Can't beat Henry customer service!
02-10-2019 03:30 PM
atomicsmurf Well, I got the H012MR (16.5") barrel large loop a few weeks ago. Took it to the range. Was shooting bullseyes at 15 yards. Had a problem with the .357 and +P's unlocking the lever, and a few ejection issues.
The shells just kind of rolled out on the ground and didn't extract all the way. Sent it back to Henry. Had a two day turn around. They replaced the lever (it now locks on those loads). Ejector, Extractor and mag tube.
Ejection is a bit better. They kind of fall around my feet. It doesn't really throw the shell, but it's not getting caught up on anything unless you tilt the rifle, as if looking in the chamber to watch the extraction. Then it gets caught.

I must say I hated the .357's in the handgun, but man I love the kick of it in the rifle!

It seems to feed the +P's and .357's perfect. I had one hiccup with Winchester .38 FMJ's. May have been user error. But it does not like Fiocchi .38's 158gr JHP. I wants to jam on those. Nothing major, just seems to stick a little when feeding.

Bottom line... I love this rifle! The shorter barrel balances nicely.

I'm not a fan of the semi-buck horn sights. :\ Is there anything out there like a normal iron sight that will work with this? I'm not into the HIVIZ stuff. Just looking for a plain jane open sight.
02-03-2019 06:41 PM
real wowwee I did cowboy shooting for a while and had a real nice marlin 38/357 and a brace of ruger vasqueros in the same caliber. I use to shoot a target load 38 that was a bit longer to make it more 357 length to feed better in the rifle. Too long for my j frame. Got the rifle for a steal off gunbroker because it had been slicked up for cowboy action. I guess folks were leery the same way car guys don't want someone else's hot rod. It was as smooth as silk with a 2 pound trigger. One of the guns I so regret trading away. Everyone, from kids to little old ladies, loved shooting the Marlin. Miss my purty stainless pistols too. One thing about the marlin is it is more lefty friendly the way it ejects shells.
01-30-2019 05:59 PM
Bluesman60 I have a Rossi lever action model 92 in 38/357, love that thing. feeds everything and accurate.
01-30-2019 05:36 PM
Observer I own 4 lever action rifles. A Marlin 39A .22, a Winchester 9422M ,22magnum, a Marlin 1994S .44 magnum, and a Winchester 94, 30-30. I will probably buy a few more Marlins and maybe a Savage!
01-29-2019 02:29 PM
ksmedman
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Originally Posted by atomicsmurf View Post
What grain and type of bullet should I be looking to stock for game? FMJ, HP, SJFP...etc. ?
I'll be grabbing some .357's, .38 +P's, and regular .38 special.

I gotta tell ya, y'all are an awesome wealth of information. And I sure do appreciate your experience in the field.
For SD I like the Federal 124gr JHP's, also the HST 38+Ps which I think are 130gr. Basically the same stuff I carry in my J-frames.
I've found the 124's get around 2000fps out of the 16" Rossi, and are pretty flat shooting out to about 100. I think 10" drop at 150 IIRC.

I've been liking the new Leverevolution rounds for hunting. They make a 357 version in 140gr. A good hard cast will also get the job done.

You might want to consider getting into reloading. Lever guns are good rifles to start with due to basically straight wall brass. Plus you can set up an accurate and hard hitting load for your carbine usually for 1/2 the cost of factory. Maybe less.
It's a good SHTF/prep skill to acquire.
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