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04-16-2019 07:41 PM
lasers
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Originally Posted by Fepony View Post
40 acres and my closest neighbor is 4 miles.
I still wouldn't apply for the permit if that is the still you are buying. It will draw a lot of red flags. The fact that the still is that small is a red flag, the company that makes it is a red flag, that it is a pot still with a thumper is three or four red flags, being made of copper is another couple red flags.

If a person were truly making fuel they I don't think they would spend the money for copper when steel would work perfect and 1/20 the cost.
04-16-2019 01:18 PM
Fepony
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Originally Posted by lasers View Post
Not a minimum amount of land, a minimum distance to your own residence and neighbors and property lines. I lived in town and had a small yard. I was never actually denied the permit. I applied for it before I built the still. A lady called and asked me about the still and said they couldn't process the permit until I had the still in my possession, then she pretty much said I shouldn't bother because I was in town and the size of my lot, and asked if I had another place I could do it and secure the still, fuel and grains.
40 acres and my closest neighbor is 4 miles.
04-15-2019 08:58 PM
lasers
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Originally Posted by ForestBeekeeper View Post
Are we still discussing a pot still with a thumper?

Such is NOT the ideal design for making fuel.
I am not sure if you are referring to me or the OP? When I applied for the permit I had the parts gathered to build an electronically controlled reflex column from scrapped controllers, heaters and thermocouplers from where I worked at the time.
04-15-2019 08:55 PM
lasers
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Originally Posted by ForestBeekeeper View Post
The ATF required that you must have a minimum amount of land before you could operate a still?

I have read the stories of other people who applied for licenses but I have never heard of that requirement before.
Not a minimum amount of land, a minimum distance to your own residence and neighbors and property lines. I lived in town and had a small yard. I was never actually denied the permit. I applied for it before I built the still. A lady called and asked me about the still and said they couldn't process the permit until I had the still in my possession, then she pretty much said I shouldn't bother because I was in town and the size of my lot, and asked if I had another place I could do it and secure the still, fuel and grains.
04-15-2019 08:42 PM
ForestBeekeeper Are we still discussing a pot still with a thumper?

Such is NOT the ideal design for making fuel.
04-15-2019 08:39 PM
ForestBeekeeper
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Originally Posted by lasers View Post
That small of a still made by that company and a fuel permit is going to draw attention you don't want If I recall correctly when I applied, after being told I didn't own enough land to get the permit it was also suggested that my plans for a 35 gallon still was questionable, then she went on to make sure I knew it was against the law and taken seriously to make alcohol for drinking.
The ATF required that you must have a minimum amount of land before you could operate a still?

I have read the stories of other people who applied for licenses but I have never heard of that requirement before.
04-15-2019 08:34 PM
lasers That small of a still made by that company and a fuel permit is going to draw attention you don't want If I recall correctly when I applied, after being told I didn't own enough land to get the permit it was also suggested that my plans for a 35 gallon still was questionable, then she went on to make sure I knew it was against the law and taken seriously to make alcohol for drinking.
04-15-2019 07:32 PM
Fepony I am applying for a fuel permit. Here is a link for those interested. http://www.ttb.gov/forms/f511074.pdf
04-15-2019 05:31 PM
lasers
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Originally Posted by ForestBeekeeper View Post
Even to make fuel, the ATF requires you to have their license first.
Actually they require to have the still before you can get the license but (in Wisconsin) it is against the law to have an unlicensed still of over one gallon capacity. So, before you get approved or if you are denied a person is then in violation of the law and has filed paperwork letting the law know you have it.
04-15-2019 05:16 PM
ForestBeekeeper
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Originally Posted by America's Patriot View Post
Because they are for distilling water...


PS. Or making fuel...
Even to make fuel, the ATF requires you to have their license first.
04-15-2019 03:24 PM
America's Patriot
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Originally Posted by PalmettoTree View Post
You might can but why would you? Why would you want to? Why have witnesses? Why engage in a conspiracy unnecessarily?

Because they are for distilling water...


PS. Or making fuel...
04-15-2019 03:22 PM
America's Patriot Copper has better conductivity and helps with yeast health by leeching trace amounts.
04-15-2019 02:47 PM
Eddie_T
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Originally Posted by Fepony View Post
Yeah I been there. They don't sell complete units with the thumper. You have to do some assembly and buy Thumper separate. It actually comes out cheaper thru Walmart.
They do sell complete units, complete sans thumper as well as kits. I didn't find a complete 6 gallon still at the WalMart price.
04-15-2019 02:29 PM
Fepony
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Originally Posted by lasers View Post
One thing to keep in mind if you are looking at buying a still, a few years ago the ATF was requesting records from still makers of their sales. There was one company in Colorado that was refusing to give them the records and I think they settled with the company just being required to keep there sales records for x amount of time in case law enforcement ever came with a warrant.

I am not exactly sure how it all ended but keep in mind sales are probably being tracked. Of course since you plan to only use it to extract essential oils and will have the strainer basket and some home produced oils to prove that is it's use you probably won't have to worry.
No worries here but thx.
04-15-2019 02:25 PM
America's Patriot My advice... buy a 10 Gallon. FWIW... it's all in the sugars.
04-15-2019 12:47 PM
lasers One thing to keep in mind if you are looking at buying a still, a few years ago the ATF was requesting records from still makers of their sales. There was one company in Colorado that was refusing to give them the records and I think they settled with the company just being required to keep there sales records for x amount of time in case law enforcement ever came with a warrant.

I am not exactly sure how it all ended but keep in mind sales are probably being tracked. Of course since you plan to only use it to extract essential oils and will have the strainer basket and some home produced oils to prove that is it's use you probably won't have to worry.
04-14-2019 06:01 PM
Fepony
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Originally Posted by ForestBeekeeper View Post
That is very pretty

The manufacturer has its own website:
https://www.thedistillerynetwork.com...s/all-products
Yeah I been there. They don't sell complete units with the thumper. You have to do some assembly and buy Thumper separate. It actually comes out cheaper thru Walmart.
04-14-2019 05:43 PM
ForestBeekeeper
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Originally Posted by Fepony View Post
I found a very good deal on a still. Walmart. Yes Walmart. https://www.walmart.com/ip/6-Gallon-...dard/535631520
That is very pretty

The manufacturer has its own website:
https://www.thedistillerynetwork.com...s/all-products
04-14-2019 05:21 PM
Fepony I found a very good deal on a still. Walmart. Yes Walmart. https://www.walmart.com/ip/6-Gallon-...dard/535631520
04-11-2019 10:15 PM
PalmettoTree
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Originally Posted by ForestBeekeeper View Post
If you join a distilling forum, you can follow the physics on column design for months and still not really understand what they are talking about.

Designing a still can get complicated.

The basic principle is simple, but as you look at optimizing functionality, it gets complicated real fast.

I have a neighbor who runs a pot still. It is real simple. He loves it. But that sets him in a specific role. He must now praise pot stills. He swears that he can taste the corn, barley, or rye in the whiskey he makes. Anytime anyone drinks with him, they have to listen to him going on and on about the flavor of the grain.

If I wanted to taste corn I would eat some fresh corn.

With a column still, I make pure ethanol. If I want it to have some flavor I put a flavor in it.

Chocolate/mint anyone?
Apple pie?
etc.

Buy a still. They are not expensive.
If one is going in the legal business of making alcohol beverages or scientific applicatons of distilling OK.

I still say. If you are going to make your own why not make your own.

For my lifetime the point of making your own was so you know how to make it again.
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