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10-05-2019 03:17 PM
dontbuypotteryfromme
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Originally Posted by iyaayas View Post
Just curious how many people know why MMA fighters wear gloves at all?

The answer will likely surprise most people.....it's to protect the hands of the striker, not the face or head of the guy taking punches.

They are nothing like boxing gloves, there's not much padding but it's enough to protect the hand.

There's a good argument to be made for getting rid of the gloves. First it would force guys to pick their strikes very carefully. Meaning fighters will have to sharpen their striking game. Good for fights. Also good for the fighters because there would actually be less strikes to the head thrown since protecting the hands would now be a necessity.

The grappling game would change as well. I find it extremely difficult to grapple even with the fingerless mma style glove.

Joe Rogan, an experienced fighter himself and mma commentator has been saying this for years. The resistance to doing away with the gloves has nothing to do with protecting the fighters but the perception of the public who by and large don't understand mma.

If it was about the safety of the fighters there would be pads on the elbows, knees, and shins.
Yeah. Have you seen the faces of bare knuckle boxers after a bout?

It was an idea shared around because nobody was competing bare knuckle that people wouldn't hit as hard.

And a bunch of silly stuff about how pugalisim would be this super advanced method.

But as bare knuckle is becoming more mainstream it just isn't the case.

https://youtu.be/pX86VEqCbpM
10-05-2019 12:43 PM
NW GUY I HAVE literally been in over 1000 street "fights/confrontations/physical contact arrests where the person being arrested wanted to fight about it.

I hit with a fist maybe half a dozen times.

I am a firm believer in forearms, elbows, knees, feet, pretty much anything but fists because your fist and your wrist are about the most fragile thing you can use in a fight. Mostly I made them move first so I could have them committed into a move that I would counter and put them down. I always wanted them to make the first move.

I will use an open hand slap to head long before I will/would use a fist. NEVER underrate a good slap to the side of the head.... especially if you can box the ear at the same time. Lots of energy and things happening in that contact and when done correctly with force you can take folks off their feet fast.
10-02-2019 07:55 PM
iyaayas Just curious how many people know why MMA fighters wear gloves at all?

The answer will likely surprise most people.....it's to protect the hands of the striker, not the face or head of the guy taking punches.

They are nothing like boxing gloves, there's not much padding but it's enough to protect the hand.

There's a good argument to be made for getting rid of the gloves. First it would force guys to pick their strikes very carefully. Meaning fighters will have to sharpen their striking game. Good for fights. Also good for the fighters because there would actually be less strikes to the head thrown since protecting the hands would now be a necessity.

The grappling game would change as well. I find it extremely difficult to grapple even with the fingerless mma style glove.

Joe Rogan, an experienced fighter himself and mma commentator has been saying this for years. The resistance to doing away with the gloves has nothing to do with protecting the fighters but the perception of the public who by and large don't understand mma.

If it was about the safety of the fighters there would be pads on the elbows, knees, and shins.
05-20-2019 10:00 AM
Nightvisionary Had to fight a guy into handcuffs a few months ago. Two elbow strikes between his should blades took the fight right out of him.
03-24-2019 09:52 AM
Metcalf Win First.

It sucks to have a broken hand, it sucks more to be dead. If you are really in a life and death situation, winning is more important.

Learn to use all the tools in your toolbox, but don't hamstring yourself by training to not use them all.
03-21-2019 02:05 PM
Sinthor
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Originally Posted by A_SonofLiberty View Post
Crane fist and nukite thrust are both finger strikes used mainly against soft targets like the throat. You will hurt and even break your fingers with those attacks if you are not well trained and your fingers are not conditioned.



In other words, don't bother unless you are highly trained. IMO, YMMV
Bingo! I personally loved elbow, but I've got fairly short arms and wanted to get inside on just about everyone anyway. But the BIG point is, in my opinion, YMMV. Different training, different styles, different fighters. Not one size fits all, that's for sure!
03-21-2019 01:58 PM
A_SonofLiberty
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Originally Posted by Sinthor View Post
Ugh...tough break on the elbow. Sorry to hear that! Depending on the circumstance the palm heel might have been better. Hindsight being what it is!

Crane fist? Only if you REALLY know how to do that and have practiced a ton. I don't (personally) feel it has the power needed and I've seen way too many people break their wrists just practicing using that on heavy bags. Not for me, in any case!
Crane fist and nukite thrust are both finger strikes used mainly against soft targets like the throat. You will hurt and even break your fingers with those attacks if you are not well trained and your fingers are not conditioned.

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Typically the concept is to slap a punch down with the underlying "support hand"under the elbow, as the other hand thrusts out the length of the arm to stab the throat or eye. Realistically this is flawed as the distance the arm takes to thrust give the opponent a longtime period to see it, parry, trap or guard against it.
In other words, don't bother unless you are highly trained. IMO, YMMV
03-21-2019 06:18 AM
HomeDefense Master Wong has some good videos on this topic. He's a bit crazy, but is fun to watch.



This guy has hundreds of videos on YouTube that demonstrate some interesting Wing Chun techniques. Wing Chun was the style used by Ip Man and the style Bruce Lee trained in before establishing Jeet Kune Do.

"Don't punch" is part of a series. Here are the others:

03-20-2019 11:25 PM
Sinthor
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Originally Posted by Klbsa View Post
I hit a guy in the mouth with a right elbow and his lower teeth gave me a deep cut and elbow paun for months afterwards. I still say using the heel of your palm is the way to go.... Or what Karate people call a "krane fist" wich is more of a spear hand with the fingers bent slightly.
Ugh...tough break on the elbow. Sorry to hear that! Depending on the circumstance the palm heel might have been better. Hindsight being what it is!

Crane fist? Only if you REALLY know how to do that and have practiced a ton. I don't (personally) feel it has the power needed and I've seen way too many people break their wrists just practicing using that on heavy bags. Not for me, in any case!
03-20-2019 11:22 PM
Sinthor
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Originally Posted by StevieKiwi View Post
I've heard many arguments against knuckles in a fight, Joe Rogan says they really need to be conditioned (for example by punching bricks without glove, but he admits any such conditioning causes future health problems). that you can easily break your wrist, that mistakenly punching the teeth or forehead can cause you more pain than the enemy etc.

Joe Rogan says the solution is elbow punches.

i kind of like that idea, but everytime I practise it on the speed ball I'm unimpressed, it's very difficult to reach targets and getting a good solid connect. and they telegraph like crazy.

do you think elbows are good?
Could it be that perhaps they are more suitable for tall people, that shorter people should stay very clear from this technique?
Well, you don't need to punch BRICKS to condition your hands and other bones (legs for kicking, etc.). Regular use of a heavy bag will cause your bone density to increase and help. I agree about face punches though. If you can, it's better to open hand the head or face.

Elbows are AWESOME but you need again to condition your bones with practice. I've seen people break their forearms and dislocate elbows throwing elbow strikes improperly or without proper conditioning.

BUT....you have to be closer in generally to use elbows. They won't be more telegraphed than a punch if you do them properly. Just like with a punch you don't haul back BEFORE throwing them. They come naturally, just like a punch does.

Still, you have to be closer in so that great power comes at a cost. Have to know how to handle yourself inside an opponent. On the ground? They'll work ok if you're in a dominant or top position. From your back they have limited utility. As with everything, YMMV. Depends on you and your training.
03-20-2019 08:50 PM
svxak47 Im 5'6 180 lbs and brought down 2 much larger over 6' by going low and wrapping their knees up tight and pushing them over...they hit the ground full force. They did hit me but being down low they didnt have much affect.
03-19-2019 10:07 PM
Mr. Sockpuppet
Elbow punch instead of knuckle punch? for short people too?

Short people should just headbutt the person in the groin.
03-18-2019 06:08 PM
Aerindel I was told my a navy seal once that the only time you should throw a punch is if your naked and both feet are nailed to the floor.
03-17-2019 12:57 PM
A_SonofLiberty I used to punch with my knuckles. If I ever meet any of you I can show you the scars. I trained for years with knuckle push ups and punching plywood forms. The last time I punched a man with my knuckles, I knocked out some teeth but got some serious cuts and caught an infection that needed a course of antibiotics. If I ever get in a similar situation again, it will be heel of the palm, hammer fists, elbows and knees. Of course, now I am older and I carry everyday. I don't brawl "for fun" anymore. That was when I was young, dumb, and full of...........vim and vigor, yeah that's it.
03-17-2019 12:47 PM
iyaayas
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Originally Posted by America's Patriot View Post
Elbows are used when grappling. Pretty much useless any other time unless you get lucky and catch them with a spin. Palm strikes and back hands are better when there is more distance.
Elbows are devastating. Yes, much easier to score hits from a mount but by no means are they limited to grappling. That's ridiculous.

An elbow strike, properly applied is like hitting someone with a bat.

My daughter sent a JV linebacker, a foot taller and 100 lbs heavier to the er with a broken face. Her weapon of choice? Knees and elbows.

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From the article:

MMA fans are accustomed to seeing fighters dust off brutal knockouts as if they never even happened. Tragically, this was far from the case when professional fighter Booto Guylain suffered a TKO loss back on February 27.

The 29-year-old was pronounced dead on Wednesday as a result of severe head trauma sustained in an MMA bout for the Extreme Fighting Championship in Johannesburg, South Africa.

According to a statement released on EFC Africa's official website, Guylain was transferred to the hospital, where he was treated for swelling and bleeding of the brain after taking multiple elbows to the head in his bout with Keron Davies.

Still in its infancy, the sport will need to consider making concessions as it continues its fight for mainstream acceptance. The key could lie in banning elbow strikes to the head of a grounded opponent.

There truly is no comparison to the potential trauma an elbow strike can leave. They are particularly hard to defend against because the fighter on top doesn’t need a lot of space to generate the momentum required to cause serious damage.

An elbow strike is more likely to leave a fighter concussed than a closed fist, and is often the culprit behind large cuts that lead to premature stoppages. While elbows may not be the only strikes capable of opening a fighter up, they dramatically increase the chances of blood spilling onto the canvas.

Depending on the severity and placement of a cut, referees are allowed to defer to the cageside physician, who then makes the final decision on whether the injured fighter is able to continue.
11-19-2018 12:13 AM
StevieKiwi
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Originally Posted by xstuntman View Post
I blew out my knuckles and wrist punching a very angry mentally challenged guy who wanted my dead. He was just having a bad day and God didn't provide him with an off switch. It took 12 years to get most of the use back so now it's palm heels, ear slaps, and hammer strikes for me.

The worst part was it happened on my shooting hand so I was down to 22lr pistols only for 8 years.
Wow I had no idea it was that bad
11-18-2018 01:11 PM
Neut Anderson I've arrested about 400 felons and never once got into a fist or elbow fight with one. I have taken a few to the ground, but mostly used slapjacks, nightsticks, or firearms.

I never thought police officers (or innocent citizens) should risk their health or lives unnecessarily by getting into unarmed man-on-man brawls with criminals who may be carrying concealed weapons or have buddies who might "jump in". Once I told a felon (or even someone who had committed a serious misdemeanor) that they were under arrest, it was an absolute certainty that they were going to jail (or the hospital, or the cemetery) their choice. The vast majority could tell what was going to happen and chose jail. The other few? Well......... I took them all down one way or another and I never got injured and none ever got away.

Ahhhh, the "good old days" when the law protected the "good guys", prosecuted the "bad guys", and police were encouraged to do whatever it took to take dangerous criminals off the streets!
11-18-2018 12:04 PM
HomeDefense
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Originally Posted by StevieKiwi View Post
Joe Rogan says the solution is elbow punches.
Joe Rogan has one of the most devastating spinning back kicks I've ever seen.




11-18-2018 12:04 PM
Klbsa I hit a guy in the mouth with a right elbow and his lower teeth gave me a deep cut and elbow paun for months afterwards. I still say using the heel of your palm is the way to go.... Or what Karate people call a "krane fist" wich is more of a spear hand with the fingers bent slightly.
11-18-2018 09:31 AM
Jack Swilling
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Originally Posted by Jackpine1 View Post
If your inside, an elbow to the temple may well be a fight-ender.
This week from UFC
6 inch elbow
Walk off KO
https://youtu.be/ijIo21i1amQ

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