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06-02-2019 01:28 PM
CeltKnight Brass Knuckles work best when used on soft parts of the body. That little bar that goes across the palm tends to direct energy into your metacarpals, and the force goes cross-ways along those little bones, not front-to-back as with a punch (which should only involve the first two knuckles as only the pointer and middle fingers are really supported in a fist). Hit something hard and you can hurt your hand quite a bit.

Still, if you know how to use 'em, any advantage in a fight is a good thing.
06-01-2019 11:56 AM
Truck Vet "What Im not understanding as far as the legality thing goes is, why would you be caught with any of them on your person, if you just used them on someone and its after the fact and going to be a problem? Why are you even still there?"

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If you follow your plan, you wouldn't be there. But Tyson once said,
"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth."

Whose to say, your going to win the fight? Maybe the EMTs take you to the
hospital, then they turn you over to the cops?

The important thing is, be familiar with your state laws, and city laws.
You may be in a state where you are happy that something is legal
but then the city your in has a law against it.
06-01-2019 11:43 AM
Cuteandfuzzybunnies
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Originally Posted by Chuckleberry View Post
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I don't know when they changed the law, but I ordered them from several states over back in the 80's.

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You can still find retailers that will ship across state lines. A couple of them have been busted and their customers got unfriendly visits from the feds. I'd rather not go there.
I believe bladeHQ ships automatic knives to any legal state.

I purchased my buck auto knife from them. It’s a great knife. S30v , saber grind , g10 handle.

I won’t carry a non auto as long as I live in a legal area. 1 handed opening is so convenient. And you can get good autos from kershaw for less than 100 bucks. You can get better autos from pro tech , micro tech , buck, sog and even gerber to name a few.
06-01-2019 12:53 AM
Nomad, 2nd
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Originally Posted by Sailorsam View Post
remember you may NOT carry on a commercial plane

guy in the day taught me to grab a small mag lite and use the nib for...self defense purposes.
Lots of vets have locking carabiners hanging on their day packs.

Very u seful tools.
05-31-2019 12:32 PM
AK103K About the last place you want to anyone with any of them is in the head. Unless of course, you want to increase the chance of killing them. Same goes for a good punch for that matter.

Like anything else, there are places on the body you want to direct your blows for the desired effect. Just flailing away, isnt going to do you much good, beyond luck, good or bad.

A lot of the "brass" knucks you see these days, are actually made of steel and plated or painted. I got a couple of sets for cheap out of China a while back for something like $10/pair. They look to be those made as belt buckles, just minus the "stud" you see on them to hold the belt. Just as functional as the old brass knucks.

I also have a couple of the old "blackjacks" or slappers. Both the flat and round spring type. Again, the head really isnt the target you want to go for with these, they are meant for joints and other tender points on the body to help you get compliance/control.

The flat, "slapper" type are a bit easier to carry and a bit more versatile, as you have different striking options. You get more damage if you use the side/edge of them as opposed to the wide flat.

In the past, we used to fill a piece of 3/4" copper pipe with a cap soldered onto one end with lead and tap a cap on the other. It was just long enough to fit in your palm, and about the size of a roll of quarters or nickels, but weighed a good bit more. At least it didnt break open like the latter when you punched something. Still, if you want to hurt your hand, this is the best way of the bunch to do it.

I think these days, the expandable batons have taken the place of a lot of these type things, and give you better options, especially if youve had some stick training.

Another thing to consider too is one of the well made autos, assisted openers, or butterflies, which can be used closed as a kubaton/yarwa stick of sorts, and still be instantly, to quickly opened if you want something more.

What Im not understanding as far as the legality thing goes is, why would you be caught with any of them on your person, if you just used them on someone and its after the fact and going to be a problem? Why are you even still there?
05-30-2019 03:23 PM
Chuckleberry
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Originally Posted by Sailorsam View Post
remember you may NOT carry on a commercial plane

guy in the day taught me to grab a small mag lite and use the nib for...self defense purposes.
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Way back in the stone age (1970's) my dad used to walk right onto & off of commercial airliners with a 357 revolver in a shoulder holster. Fast forward to the mid 90's & I got pulled out of line after my carry on went through the X-ray & they saw one of my gun magazines (news magazines that is) sitting on top & could see the outline of the gun on the X-ray. They pulled my bag apart dug through it for 20+ minutes, kept asking me where the gun "went to" & I kept telling them they saw the image from the magazine but these weren't the brightest bulbs in the drawer. Damn near missed my flight. Always have had problems at DFW. The 2 times I've been to Love field has been splendid. I hear the Kennedy's aren't fond of it though.

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05-30-2019 01:46 PM
Sailorsam remember you may NOT carry on a commercial plane

guy in the day taught me to grab a small mag lite and use the nib for...self defense purposes.
05-30-2019 01:41 PM
ForgedInTheFlame
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Originally Posted by RedTail View Post
Having been charged, but thank God liberated by a self defense plea, I would not want to defend the use brass knuckles in a courtroom. Can of beans in a canvas grocery bag (that you were bringing home for dinner) will knock anyone out and not look so ominous to the courts. Should it matter? NO of course not, but sadly it does.
That's because in the weak society we live in today, you get slapped with assault and battery charges for the most insignificant bs.

Everything is a weapon, and the sky is falling.



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05-30-2019 01:26 PM
RedTail Having been charged, but thank God liberated by a self defense plea, I would not want to defend the use brass knuckles in a courtroom. Can of beans in a canvas grocery bag (that you were bringing home for dinner) will knock anyone out and not look so ominous to the courts. Should it matter? NO of course not, but sadly it does.
05-30-2019 01:21 PM
RedTail
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Originally Posted by Chuckleberry View Post
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I don't know when they changed the law, but I ordered them from several states over back in the 80's.

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You can still find retailers that will ship across state lines. A couple of them have been busted and their customers got unfriendly visits from the feds. I'd rather not go there.
05-29-2019 09:15 PM
Batko10
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Originally Posted by Chuckleberry View Post
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Same reason I prefer the lead sap gloves over brass knuckles.

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Lead sap gloves are heavy and you have to wear them. For someone getting older they can actually slow down your punch. Brass knuckles are light in weight, I keep them in my back pocket, and if you punch the face it won't open up your attacker - just break the bones in his face and jaw.

(You really don't want to hit him in the head unless you are aiming to kill him! LOL)

Also, brass knuckles protect the hands better than sap gloves. With sap gloves the force will still be on the bones of your knuckles and hand. With the brass knuckles all the force is absorbed in the palm.

However, to each his own. You've got to use what you are comfortable with.
05-29-2019 07:27 PM
Chuckleberry
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When I was on the job in New York back in the '70s and '80s I first carried a "classic" blackjack. I quickly switched to the "slapper" which the more senior guys recommended in the first place.

One shot from the regular jack cracked open the skell's head and there was blood all over the place. The slapper didn't open them up and there was less explaining to do, let alone less mess.

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Same reason I prefer the lead sap gloves over brass knuckles.

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05-29-2019 06:58 PM
ForgedInTheFlame
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There's not much to understand regarding brass knuckles. I'll be 69 next month and my punch doesn't carry the pop it used to. Not every situation calls for using a firearm for self-defense, so to enhance my punching power I picked up a nice pair of brass knuckles at a gun show a year or so ago.



They sell them as "paper weights," but these are not novelties. They are self-defense weapons. Brass knuckles actually protect your hand when striking your attacker. You are gripping the brass knuckles so that when you hit something only the brass knuckles are going to make contact with the target and the impact is absorbed by the palm of the hand.



In addition to self-defense, these are great for breaking car window glass to save suffocating babies and pets left in autos in the summer by their idiot parents and owners.







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"...That circled portion of the knuckles sits against your palm, thus the impact, instead of the force being imparted on your knuckles, is applied directly to the heel of your palm, a very difficult area to damage. And the second aspect? Just look at them. There is a very distinct gap between each of the knuckles, lowering the surface area of the impact point meaning more pressure. And what about brass? Well it might not be as hard as other metals. But it's harder than bone."



"So this all translates to: brass knuckles inherently increase the amount of pressure per punch and serve as protection. Brass knuckles are also heavy, which increases the force per punch. This all means that brass knuckles will enable you to strike as hard as you want without worrying about breaks while increasing the total pressure and force. So what damage can they wreak? They can break bones with ease, tear open skin, cause internal injuries, kill while negating most risks of personal injuries. ...


CITE: https://www.quora.com/What-damage-ca...-punch-produce
Great post.

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05-29-2019 06:52 PM
Batko10
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Originally Posted by ForgedInTheFlame View Post
Slapjacks are amazing!

I've read stories of the old school dirty harry style law dogs who would carry one back when, as we used to say, "back when it was hard".

A slept on self defense tool that is a one hitter quitter if you nail it right on the button.



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When I was on the job in New York back in the '70s and '80s I first carried a "classic" blackjack. I quickly switched to the "slapper" which the more senior guys recommended in the first place.

One shot from the regular jack cracked open the skell's head and there was blood all over the place. The slapper didn't open them up and there was less explaining to do, let alone less mess.

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05-29-2019 06:38 PM
Batko10
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Originally Posted by Jim from 28DaysLater View Post
...I've never owned a brass knuckles, and I don't totally understand them. But I don't want to go as far as to say that they'd never be the right thing. ...
There's not much to understand regarding brass knuckles. I'll be 69 next month and my punch doesn't carry the pop it used to. Not every situation calls for using a firearm for self-defense, so to enhance my punching power I picked up a nice pair of brass knuckles at a gun show a year or so ago.

They sell them as "paper weights," but these are not novelties. They are self-defense weapons. Brass knuckles actually protect your hand when striking your attacker. You are gripping the brass knuckles so that when you hit something only the brass knuckles are going to make contact with the target and the impact is absorbed by the palm of the hand.

In addition to self-defense, these are great for breaking car window glass to save suffocating babies and pets left in autos in the summer by their idiot parents and owners.



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"...That circled portion of the knuckles sits against your palm, thus the impact, instead of the force being imparted on your knuckles, is applied directly to the heel of your palm, a very difficult area to damage. And the second aspect? Just look at them. There is a very distinct gap between each of the knuckles, lowering the surface area of the impact point meaning more pressure. And what about brass? Well it might not be as hard as other metals. But it's harder than bone."

"So this all translates to: brass knuckles inherently increase the amount of pressure per punch and serve as protection. Brass knuckles are also heavy, which increases the force per punch. This all means that brass knuckles will enable you to strike as hard as you want without worrying about breaks while increasing the total pressure and force. So what damage can they wreak? They can break bones with ease, tear open skin, cause internal injuries, kill while negating most risks of personal injuries. ...

CITE: https://www.quora.com/What-damage-ca...-punch-produce
05-29-2019 06:13 AM
randyt Just as a historical interest, I read a article somewhere that the soldiers in our civil war made knuckles from lead. There was a few photos of examples. Darned if I can remember where I read that article.
05-29-2019 12:26 AM
Chuckleberry
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Originally Posted by RedTail View Post
Legal but can't be sold (shipped) across state lines. So unless you have brick and mortar stores or a internet retailer in your state that sell them, you are out of luck.
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I don't know when they changed the law, but I ordered them from several states over back in the 80's.

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05-28-2019 11:48 PM
ForgedInTheFlame
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Originally Posted by randolphrowzeebragg View Post
A machinist where I used to work makes them in his garage machine shop. He takes measurements of your hand so they fit better.
I prefer a good slapjack so I don't have to worry about getting blood on my hands. Hepatitis, AIDS, the creepin' uglies, homosexual gayness, liberal thought, New York mind melt, and who knows what else can be transmitted in blood.
Slapjacks are amazing!

I've read stories of the old school dirty harry style law dogs who would carry one back when, as we used to say, "back when it was hard".

A slept on self defense tool that is a one hitter quitter if you nail it right on the button.



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05-28-2019 11:33 PM
randolphrowzeebragg A machinist where I used to work makes them in his garage machine shop. He takes measurements of your hand so they fit better.
I prefer a good slapjack so I don't have to worry about getting blood on my hands. Hepatitis, AIDS, the creepin' uglies, homosexual gayness, liberal thought, New York mind melt, and who knows what else can be transmitted in blood.
05-28-2019 11:18 PM
RedTail
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Originally Posted by HomeDefense View Post
Most of the brass knuckles I've seen in stores are novelty items (intended to be paperweights) that are more likely to damage your hand than your opponent's head. Be careful if you decide to buy one.

States are also legalizing switchblades. Arizona legalized them maybe 5 to 7 years ago.
Legal but can't be sold (shipped) across state lines. So unless you have brick and mortar stores or a internet retailer in your state that sell them, you are out of luck.
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