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02-26-2020 06:45 PM
Trip Wire
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Originally Posted by Nomad, 2nd View Post
I've decided I'm going to sell my 2006 ranger because with my spinal injury it rides too rough on my dirt road. (Also typically getting ~17.7 MPG is absurd)
Just wow. My rig is a 1978 GMC Suburban, I thought the 19mpg was bad. This is a 3 ton beast.
02-26-2020 02:47 PM
falconbrother It depends on what you're long range goals are. I like the 9th gen Suburbans (1999.5 - 2006). That won't be in your gas mileage wants but: they were built to last a lifetime, the 4x4 is excellent, there's nothing that rides as good, parts are relatively cheap, there's tons of knowledge out there to repair the thing if it breaks (and many repairs are not difficult), the 5.3 engine is powerful and tough, if serviced the 4L60e transmission is as good as any on the market, if you need to you can sleep in the thing (they haul a lot of stuff), etc.. Mine is 20 years old and my daily driver with 247,000 miles on it.
01-20-2020 10:24 PM
Nomad, 2nd
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Originally Posted by Gnepig View Post
This would be cheaper than a new car or suspension:

https://www.amazon.com/Aquacapsule-I...0&sr=8-83&th=1

.
Got something better (but similar) already.
01-20-2020 10:07 PM
Gnepig I have ridden in an Avalanche before, it was a very nice vehicle/ super comfy...
01-20-2020 10:02 PM
Gnepig This would be cheaper than a new car or suspension:

https://www.amazon.com/Aquacapsule-I...0&sr=8-83&th=1

.
01-14-2020 02:01 PM
Aerindel
01-11-2020 06:24 PM
Metcalf Since it seems that a replacement is going to be pretty much same same for cost, mileage, and ride.....can we circle back around to one of the root issues, the ride.

There is a ton of stuff you can do to the ranger to increase the ride quality on and off road. It isn't super cheap to do right, but it will fix one of the root problems you are having.

The main problem with pickups, even small ones, is that the rear spring rate is typically designed around weight carrying capacity. This makes the ride when empty too firm and choppy. Having custom springs made for the daily weight of the vehicle will be a HUGE improvement in ride quality. Additional payload capacity for the odd task can be provided by something like an air-bag secondary spring system. Generally, the best rule for ride quality vs spring rate is that you only want enough spring rate to hold the vehicle up to the ride height you want. You want enough spring length to provide some preload at full droop if at all possible, preferably 1-3" of preload at full shock extension. On a coil, you don't want so much preload that you don't block the coil at full compression.

Beyond that, good shocks can go a LONG way in providing a completely new experience in ride quality. By 'good' shocks I am talking about something like a lower end Fox 2.0 Performance Series Remote Reservoir shocks which is rebuildable and revalveable. You want to avoid a shock with digressive valving for ride quality on the terrain you are talking about. I believe something custom valved with slightly progressive compression valving to help smooth out the small suspension events. The key is going to be finding someone to work with that can do custom valving. I can make some recommendations if you are interested, it doesn't really add any 'extra' cost, but getting in the door on shocks like this is about 250 per corner.

Retrofitting something like the newer GM tall foam bumpstops ( from a 2000s 1/2 ton pickup rear ) can help take the edge off the limits of compression travel as long as rebound damping can be kept in check. Those bumpstops are very affordable and quite good.
01-11-2020 05:49 PM
drobs Here's a couple more vehicles to look at.

Toyota Land Cruisers
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...&firstRecord=0

Lexus Land Cruisers
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...&firstRecord=0

Some fun videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdE...y=Land+Cruiser
I'd take Hoovie's aproach and tear out the hydraulic shock - leveling system and replace it with an Old Man Emu Suspension Lift.

If this thing runs (398k miles!) - I might buy it. Cheap flight and drive it back.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing
01-11-2020 04:17 PM
Aerindel
Quote:
if the end of the world approached,
the vehicle would be a Gm, Dodge or Ford pickup product of which there are millions in this country and parts are found in every junk yard in the country.
Its not like people are talking about A fiat, or BMW or Mitsubishi or something here. Toyotas have been among the most sold cars here for decades.

But, remind me...are you in Canada? The last time I was there I remember being surprised by seeing far more American (companies) vehicles than I did in here.

My AO in particular is the land of the Subaru and Toyota. You can easily find 5-6 early 2000 subaru's parked together in any parking lot here, and usually more than one cluster like that with others spread all over the place. Super common.


Quote:
Many Toyotas have more US content than Fords or Chevys
My Tundra was made in Texas.

My dads Chevy in Mexico.

My Subaru, Canada.
01-11-2020 11:44 AM
Eddie_T My 85 Cherokee hasn't been usable for several years and I am reconsidering whether I even need 4WD. I have been disadvantaged only a few days each winter in my area due to snow and truth is I don't need to be out there driving in snow anyway. I do have back up in that my son lives only 14 miles away and usually has a couple of 4WD vehicles available. 🚙

I have considered a Subaru Forester (old enough to have rear visibility) but reliability is somewhat questionable. My 96 Prism (Toyota) has never been seen a dealer since it left the showroom. It's hard to find that kind of reliability these days.
01-11-2020 10:42 AM
woowoo2
01-11-2020 09:14 AM
Truck Vet In the last 20 years, certain car companies have went through changes
in their quality. Some have improved, some almost went out of business
and had to be bailed out, some have been bought by other companies
most of us wouldn't consider, like Renault, or Fiat.

Here is a YouTube channel I like that explains a lot of this
This Video is only one out of many he has, on how to not
get ripped off buying a used vehicle.

01-10-2020 01:59 PM
Nomad, 2nd
Quote:
Better MPG would be nice.

Nice, not a requirement.
01-09-2020 05:45 PM
Truck Vet
Quote:
Originally Posted by NW GUY View Post
WHATEVER vehicle a person gets for when things go bad if that is part of the contemplation the questions should be...

Is it 4 wheel drive?

How much can it carry?

How much can it tow?

How rugged/reliable is it?

How hard will it be to work on?

How hard will it be to get parts?

Style and trends should go in the trash can.

Your little foreign whatever may be a great vehicle, but if something breaks can you rummage a local auto yard and find parts to fix it?

I would love an old fashioned early 70s Toyota Land Cruiser
but
if the end of the world approached,
the vehicle would be a Gm, Dodge or Ford pickup product of which there are millions in this country and parts are found in every junk yard in the country.

It only makes sense.
Did the OP ask for a vehicle to prepare for the end of the world, or
a vehicle that rode smoothly for his back?

If were look at where most Highlanders are made (USA) and how many
are sold, its obvious that there will be no problem finding parts for a long
time.

In this day and age, different parts of a vehicle tend to be made in
different countries. For instance, my 2005 Jeep Wrangler, has a
6 speed gearbox I remember being made in Germany.

Many Toyotas have more US content than Fords or Chevys
when you realize how many Mexican and Canadian plants
they have.
01-09-2020 05:18 PM
AnonymousPrepper What about buying something AWD that rides nice and using the van as the tow rig?
01-09-2020 05:10 PM
Truck Vet
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aerindel View Post
I think he just needs to give up on the gas milage thing. There is no real solution there. You can't beat the laws of physics and unless you drive a fleet its nearly irrelevant anyway. For most normal drivers even large gas milage variations only add up to a few hundred dollars a year difference.

There is always a subaru...but then he says he needs to tow....

There just is no such thing as a off-road, smooth riding, high MPG, heavy towing vehicle. Those things are mutually incompatible traits.

Which is why I have a subaru (or four) and a Tundra and use them for different things.
It just depends on if he finds a Highlander with the towing package and that
is enough for him. I believe the Highlander will ride smoother than a
4Runner also, plus get 30 mpg on the highway.

Of course the 4Runner has a full frame, so it will tow more weight than the
Highlander, but he has that van to tow really heavy things. The full frame means it sucks more gas and rides rougher so it can be a bit better off road.

I used to own a 2000 Rav 4 and it did really well in snow storms. Something
to be said for the weight you lose when you go with a unibody platform
helps performance while giving you more miles per gallon.
01-09-2020 05:01 PM
NW GUY WHATEVER vehicle a person gets for when things go bad if that is part of the contemplation the questions should be...

Is it 4 wheel drive?

How much can it carry?

How much can it tow?

How rugged/reliable is it?

How hard will it be to work on?

How hard will it be to get parts?

Style and trends should go in the trash can.

Your little foreign whatever may be a great vehicle, but if something breaks can you rummage a local auto yard and find parts to fix it?

I would love an old fashioned early 70s Toyota Land Cruiser
but
if the end of the world approached,
the vehicle would be a Gm, Dodge or Ford pickup product of which there are millions in this country and parts are found in every junk yard in the country.

It only makes sense.
01-09-2020 04:56 PM
Aerindel
Quote:
4runner won't get any better gas mileage than that Ranger.
I think he just needs to give up on the gas milage thing. There is no real solution there. You can't beat the laws of physics and unless you drive a fleet its nearly irrelevant anyway. For most normal drivers even large gas milage variations only add up to a few hundred dollars a year difference.

There is always a subaru...but then he says he needs to tow....

There just is no such thing as a off-road, smooth riding, high MPG, heavy towing vehicle. Those things are mutually incompatible traits.

Which is why I have a subaru (or four) and a Tundra and use them for different things.
01-09-2020 04:53 PM
NW GUY
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Originally Posted by IamZeke View Post
Smileys were invented in the earliest internet days because forums are not inclusive of nonverbal communication.

You can't write on the internet like you talk in person.
AND.. THAT fact alone saves a lot of folks from being punched or being dead.
01-09-2020 04:17 PM
IamZeke
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad, 2nd View Post
county unpaved roads
Prisoner labor made those go away a half century ago, all across Texas.

No blacktop means it's not a government road.
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