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09-12-2020 06:10 PM
strokes762
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Originally Posted by ~Black.Dog~ View Post
I don't know if they have their rating yet but Tactical Rifleman shot one up with multiple hits from various calibers and the vest performed well.
But I dont have 2+ grand to spend on it.

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Passing one test is an incredibly small sample size. Which is why NIJ certification requires 6 follow up tests of the manufacturer over a period of 5 years:
https://nij.ojp.gov/body-armor-compliance-testing
09-12-2020 06:31 AM
~Black.Dog~
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Originally Posted by Cuteandfuzzybunnies View Post
They also cover more area than hard plates.

But I am skeptical. Are the even NIJ rated ?
I don't know if they have their rating yet but Tactical Rifleman shot one up with multiple hits from various calibers and the vest performed well.
But I dont have 2+ grand to spend on it.

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09-12-2020 01:46 AM
Cuteandfuzzybunnies
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Originally Posted by bunkerbuster View Post
2 panels still weigh 16 pounds, about the same as steel or ceramic. I bet they are way more comfortable though. Not worth the price to me, but if I was on a PD or something, I'd be lusting after these things.
They also cover more area than hard plates.

But I am skeptical. Are the even NIJ rated ?
09-12-2020 01:28 AM
strokes762
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Originally Posted by omegaman13 View Post
2 panels still weigh 16 pounds, about the same as steel or ceramic. I bet they are way more comfortable though. Not worth the price to me, but if I was on a PD or something, I'd be lusting after these things.
I don't think any major PD would be buying these. I don't see anything about NIJ certification. Certification =/= passing lab tests.
09-11-2020 07:40 PM
omegaman13
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Originally Posted by bunkerbuster View Post
2 panels still weigh 16 pounds, about the same as steel or ceramic. I bet they are way more comfortable though. Not worth the price to me, but if I was on a PD or something, I'd be lusting after these things.
09-11-2020 04:03 PM
TimBob And... He asked that question over 3 years ago!

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09-11-2020 04:01 PM
NVSeabee If the OP is legit and he is a LEO in Greece he would not be asking the question here. Do not feed the troll. If he is legit his dept in Greece would have ample resources and recommendations.
We are not here to educate those who would do us harm.
The OP has been here 3 years and has zero info on his profile other than male.
09-11-2020 08:35 AM
bunkerbuster
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Originally Posted by Cuteandfuzzybunnies View Post
Does anybody know anything about safe life flexible rifle armor system ? Itís soft ( or flexible ) armor thatís supposed to handle rifle rounds.
It's top notch, but spendy.

https://safelifedefense.com/product-...-armor/page/2/
09-11-2020 02:49 AM
Cuteandfuzzybunnies Does anybody know anything about safe life flexible rifle armor system ? It’s soft ( or flexible ) armor that’s supposed to handle rifle rounds.
08-27-2020 09:11 PM
Revelation
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Plates it is, I guess. Frankly, this is for a worst case situation. I live in the burbs of a large city which all of a sudden seems like a more risky proposition than it used to be. I assume a helmet is a waste of time?
Plates are the way to go. Look at level 4 plates for the best protection you can buy without having access to a gov budget. A helmet can be a benefit. I own a 3a ballistic as I am planning for tough times ahead.

If the most it does is protect my noggin from tripping and hitting my head, all is good.
08-27-2020 08:44 PM
Bravo32
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Originally Posted by Aerindel View Post
Steel armor is heavy and a bad choice if you're planning on running miles in it.
If you are running for miles you are either exercising (I walk long distances for training in my body armor) or likely screwed anyways.
08-27-2020 08:03 PM
Steve_In_29
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Originally Posted by Snyper708 View Post
AR's may be the most popular rifle, but more shootings are done with handguns.
More protection is almost always better, but outside of military combat you're most likely to be shot with a handgun.
Even if only shot with a pistol a hard plate will spread the impact and keep you from still possibly needing medical attention.
08-27-2020 07:59 PM
Snyper708
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Originally Posted by Aerindel View Post
As mentioned, soft armor only protects against pistols. In a country where an AR15 is the most popular gun, I personally do not think soft armor is worth the cost. (although it protects less, it costs more)

There are various options for hard plates. Steel being the cheapest (check out AR500.com) with ceramic and plastic being more expensive, and also a lot lighter.

Like everything else, you have to decide how to plan to use it. Steel armor is heavy and a bad choice if you're planning on running miles in it. If it's just something you want while defending your home or in a vehicle it's the cheapest most effective option.

If you want some extra protection all day long and want to conceal it, then you will probably need soft armor.
AR's may be the most popular rifle, but more shootings are done with handguns.
More protection is almost always better, but outside of military combat you're most likely to be shot with a handgun.
08-27-2020 07:20 PM
John Matherson
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Originally Posted by Steve_In_29 View Post
Keep in mind that unless specifically rated for both, many 3+ rated plates will stop EITHER M855 OR M193 but not both.

Also some rated for M193 are only rated to do so at below 3200fps.

3+ is not an official NIJ rating.

Here's the level 3+ rating for the Tactical Scorpion Extreme plates. They're pretty impressive.

The 10x12 is 4.8lbs.


A stand alone armor plate with multiple hit capability
High molecular weight polyethylene/Aramid/Carbide Hybrid
Covering: 600D nylon with edge padding
less fragmentation from projectiles
5 year lifespan
Will fit most common carrier vests ( We manufacturer a full line of quality carrier vests)
Tested to the new DOJ/NIJ STD-0101.07 standards RF2.Fully tested by independent Lab NIJ Rated for six hits from 7.62 Nato bullets (.308 Winchester) with velocities up to 2780 fps/ 7.62 x 51mm ( MSC,PS Ball) , 5.56 M855 greentip ( 20" barrel) at 3226fps, XM193 ( 20" barrel) at 3428fps, 7.62 x 39 123 grain HP at 2346fps, Military issue M855A1 at 3134fps ( 20" barrel) For front and/or back protection
Plate Sizes available: 6x6, 6x8, 8x10, 10x12, 11x14, Small SAPI, Medium SAPI, Large SAPI and XLarge SAPI
Plate shapes available : Flat, Single-curved, Multi-curved
08-27-2020 07:11 PM
Steve_In_29 Keep in mind that unless specifically rated for both, many 3+ rated plates will stop EITHER M855 OR M193 but not both.

Also some rated for M193 are only rated to do so at below 3200fps.

3+ is not an official NIJ rating.
08-27-2020 07:06 PM
John Matherson
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Originally Posted by trubulator View Post
Plates it is, I guess. Frankly, this is for a worst case situation. I live in the burbs of a large city which all of a sudden seems like a more risky proposition than it used to be. I assume a helmet is a waste of time?
If it's for worst case only, I wouldn't do anything under level 3 plates.

Depends on who you ask. It's not my thing, but some go all out. Good helmets can be pretty pricey.
08-27-2020 07:03 PM
trubulator Plates it is, I guess. Frankly, this is for a worst case situation. I live in the burbs of a large city which all of a sudden seems like a more risky proposition than it used to be. I assume a helmet is a waste of time?
08-27-2020 06:36 PM
John Matherson If you want to protect against the most common penetrator round that's used in the U.S, some level 3+ plates will do it.

I have level 3, 3+, and 4 plates. Here's a coupon code for some level 3+ made in U.S that stop M855 green tip penetrator.

Tactical Scorpion Gear 15% off coupon code: thegunpenguin

https://tacticalscorpiongear.com/bod...i-extreme.html
08-27-2020 06:18 PM
Aerindel
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Originally Posted by trubulator View Post
I hate to even think of a situation where I might want it, but what should one look for in the way of a vest? Do you pretty much have to buy hard plates, or will the soft armor protect you well enough?

As mentioned, soft armor only protects against pistols. In a country where an AR15 is the most popular gun, I personally do not think soft armor is worth the cost. (although it protects less, it costs more)

There are various options for hard plates. Steel being the cheapest (check out AR500.com) with ceramic and plastic being more expensive, and also a lot lighter.

Like everything else, you have to decide how to plan to use it. Steel armor is heavy and a bad choice if you're planning on running miles in it. If it's just something you want while defending your home or in a vehicle it's the cheapest most effective option.

If you want some extra protection all day long and want to conceal it, then you will probably need soft armor.
08-27-2020 06:10 PM
Revelation Soft armor will only protect, depending on its rating, from pistol calibers. I you want protection against rifle calibers you will need to have, at minimum, LVL3. I recommend going to LVL4 if you can.
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