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10-08-2019 09:59 AM
Offrink Checked the woodchuck carcass out. Nothing but wet skin left and no easily recognizable bullet fragments. With that said the side that was facing me had a slightly larger than expected hole, probably due to decomp and drying of the skin, and a 8” hole on the other side. It appears that there wasn’t a single hole on the far side but probably more of a fine shot pattern as the fragments passed through/damaged the skin. While I expected a baseball size explosion or some significant pass through, this wasn’t as bad as I thought.
10-03-2019 03:47 PM
ajole
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Originally Posted by fragout View Post
Dont say that too often or the myth will become real. You gotta be real close to get any blood on ur panties. (Inside of 10 inches via deer in below pic.)
Does the other pic count? Lol. ( Still ate that bunny later. )

Besides, If your worried about blood getting on your equipment then hunting/ pest control may not be for you. ( A tad different than buying meat at a grocery store)

11B
Way to squash my hyperbolic imagery...and the joke.

Seriously...sometimes you are way too serious.

Turning a question about shooting 3 lb varmints with a 5.56 at 120 feet into a discussion of .308 capabilities at 100 + yards is just a bit over the top.

I think we should call you Burt. As in Burt Gummer.
10-03-2019 02:25 PM
Inazone
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Originally Posted by Offrink View Post
I think that no one would really enjoy any vmax hitting any body part. Even if they only penetrate 5-6 of body.
This was my reasoning for stocking up on American Eagle AR223 50gr "gray tip" varmint ammo after buying my first AR15, but after comparing recovered bullets to various soft point options, I either sold off or shot through my remaining supply. Would it inflict pain and potentially lethal wounds? Sure, but the prospect of relying on it under challenging conditions led me to explore more advantageous alternatives, especially when the price of dedicated varmint ammo versus that of defensive ammo (in terms of .223, anyway) is quite close.
10-01-2019 08:36 PM
Offrink
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Originally Posted by iyaayas View Post
No i don't care about the pelts. I'd trap them if that's what I was after.

The only one I've shot that wasn't drt ( dead right there ) was a poor hit on a running animal. I've opened up a few just to see the wound cavity and the V max delivers.

No exit wounds that's true. That round dumps it all inside. I've never actually measured but if I had to guess I'd say between six and eight inches of penetration judging by eyeballing only.

Next one I take I'll take a closer look.
Pictures too! Who doesnít like pictures?
10-01-2019 06:49 PM
iyaayas
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Originally Posted by Offrink View Post
Iím sure it would have killed them. Just wouldnít have an exit wound or drop them on the spot. If you are looking for pelts this is probably what you actually want. The round would just explode. Plus being out of a 7.5Ē barrel really keeps the speed down. Most reloading books show the speed out of a 26Ē barrel. So if the books say it would reach 2900 FPS maybe it would get 2000.

I donít bash the load, just not the best for a pistol length barrel. I had thought about this for a hd load. Iíve changed my mind and switched to a 300 blackout. I like to know what works in the real world out of different barrels/guns. I think that no one would really enjoy any vmax hitting any body part. Even if they only penetrate 5-6 of body.
No i don't care about the pelts. I'd trap them if that's what I was after.

The only one I've shot that wasn't drt ( dead right there ) was a poor hit on a running animal. I've opened up a few just to see the wound cavity and the V max delivers.

No exit wounds that's true. That round dumps it all inside. I've never actually measured but if I had to guess I'd say between six and eight inches of penetration judging by eyeballing only.

Next one I take I'll take a closer look.
10-01-2019 02:48 PM
Offrink
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Originally Posted by iyaayas View Post
Seems odd to me. Ive killed dozens of coyotes using a 62 grain vmax. Course I loaded it myself and load that one on the hot side.

Average coyotes down here are 40-50 pounds. Seen some big ones but could never get a shot at them.
Iím sure it would have killed them. Just wouldnít have an exit wound or drop them on the spot. If you are looking for pelts this is probably what you actually want. The round would just explode. Plus being out of a 7.5Ē barrel really keeps the speed down. Most reloading books show the speed out of a 26Ē barrel. So if the books say it would reach 2900 FPS maybe it would get 2000.

I donít bash the load, just not the best for a pistol length barrel. I had thought about this for a hd load. Iíve changed my mind and switched to a 300 blackout. I like to know what works in the real world out of different barrels/guns. I think that no one would really enjoy any vmax hitting any body part. Even if they only penetrate 5-6 of body.
10-01-2019 11:49 AM
iyaayas Seems odd to me. Ive killed dozens of coyotes using a 62 grain vmax. Course I loaded it myself and load that one on the hot side.

Average coyotes down here are 40-50 pounds. Seen some big ones but could never get a shot at them.
09-29-2019 03:29 PM
Offrink Just finished loading a mag of 55 grain tsx for the next time.
09-28-2019 05:24 PM
fragout
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Originally Posted by AK103K View Post
Ive shot a number of things with my 10.5" AR, with the same Nosler BT load, and at around 50 yards, the results were basically the same as those out of my 16" guns. Pretty destructive. Not saying thats what youd get at longer ranges though.

I think the BT type bullets make a big difference too. I used the Hornady version of them with my 17's, and had similar results, just not as dramatic as the 223's. They also tore things up a good bit more than the HP type bullets in the same caliber.

One thing I did notice with them though, on one shot through some light vegetation with the 17, was the bullet appeared to upset on something before it got to the bunny I was shooting through the garden on the other side. It still killed it, but it was basically intact. Nothing explosive. It looked like the bullet was in pieces when it hit, and just shredded its head.
Same issues here with 223 and 22 250. Especially during night hunts where its much more difficult to pick out things that can end up between the muzzle and critter.

11B
09-28-2019 05:17 PM
fragout
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Originally Posted by ajole View Post
I think your beloved and revered .308 may be overkill in this varmint discussion.

I mean I’m sure it will work...but jeepers. .308 at 120 feet on a 3 lb critter? You’d get blood mist and other bodily crap on your scope.
Dont say that too often or the myth will become real. You gotta be real close to get any blood on ur panties. (Inside of 10 inches via deer in below pic.)
Does the other pic count? Lol. ( Still ate that bunny later. )

Besides, If your worried about blood getting on your equipment then hunting/ pest control may not be for you. ( A tad different than buying meat at a grocery store)

11B
09-25-2019 12:29 PM
America's Patriot Regardless, a pistol shot from an elevated position and at that distance is a good shot. It may not have been an exact shot, but you hit the target and were able to follow through once you got down there. Count it as a win... no fault of the shooter, firearm or ammo.

This ammo, by design, has explosive expansion after an inch, so the fact that it didn't exit, doesn't surprise me. His insides were shredded by the shrapnel and massive bleeding caused by the concussion. If he weren't so large, he probably would have popped.
09-25-2019 08:40 AM
AK103K
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Originally Posted by Offrink View Post
How about using just a standard 55 grain soft point? I know out of my 18Ē barrel it gets about 2950 but how much reduction do you get out of a 10.5 or 7.5Ē barrel? I know you wouldnít get the massive expansion of a Varmint load or even a hollow point but would it even expand much with such a small critter?
Ive shot a number of things with my 10.5" AR, with the same Nosler BT load, and at around 50 yards, the results were basically the same as those out of my 16" guns. Pretty destructive. Not saying thats what youd get at longer ranges though.

I think the BT type bullets make a big difference too. I used the Hornady version of them with my 17's, and had similar results, just not as dramatic as the 223's. They also tore things up a good bit more than the HP type bullets in the same caliber.

One thing I did notice with them though, on one shot through some light vegetation with the 17, was the bullet appeared to upset on something before it got to the bunny I was shooting through the garden on the other side. It still killed it, but it was basically intact. Nothing explosive. It looked like the bullet was in pieces when it hit, and just shredded its head.
09-25-2019 07:42 AM
Offrink How about using just a standard 55 grain soft point? I know out of my 18” barrel it gets about 2950 but how much reduction do you get out of a 10.5 or 7.5” barrel? I know you wouldn’t get the massive expansion of a Varmint load or even a hollow point but would it even expand much with such a small critter?
09-25-2019 02:51 AM
ajole I think your beloved and revered .308 may be overkill in this varmint discussion.

I mean Iím sure it will work...but jeepers. .308 at 120 feet on a 3 lb critter? Youíd get blood mist and other bodily crap on your scope.
09-24-2019 09:46 PM
fragout Have hunted for years using 223. Dumped it altogether for much better hunting cartridges.

And.......None of the critters in below photos went anywhere after being hit .

All taken with 308 Win. All were dead before thier bodies landed in the dirt.

2 pics show the exit wounds. Last pic shows entry wound.

Pic one = 168gr OTM at over 100 yards.
Pic 2 = 150gr Win power point at around 25 to 30 feet.
Pic 2 = 165gr SGK at around 75 yards.
11B
09-24-2019 07:15 AM
AK103K Headshots tend to get things flopping around a good bit, and even though a clean kill, often dont appear to be.

Ive had a couple of things look like Chinese acrobats jumping all over the yard for a little bit after being shot in the head. The "show" didnt last long though.
09-24-2019 02:42 AM
Snyper708
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Originally Posted by ajole View Post
I once shot a ground hog in the eye, I mean, I nailed that shot, and it still ran around for almost a minute until I could get it to stand still and hit it again.

Turned out the bullet went in one eye and out the other. Seriously. No lie.

Point being...sometimes your perfect shot isnít so perfect.

And no, Iíve never managed to make that shot again despite trying to do it nearly every time I can.
I once shot a squirrel like that.

It seemed to take forever for him to fall out of the tree, and then he just started swimming around. (I was hunting from a boat in a creek/swamp)

I think he finally drowned by the time I got to him.
09-24-2019 01:41 AM
ajole I once shot a ground hog in the eye, I mean, I nailed that shot, and it still ran around for almost a minute until I could get it to stand still and hit it again.

Turned out the bullet went in one eye and out the other. Seriously. No lie.

Point being...sometimes your perfect shot isnít so perfect.

And no, Iíve never managed to make that shot again despite trying to do it nearly every time I can.
09-23-2019 10:23 PM
TENNGRIZZ In my experience while not my favorite round the 6O grn Vmax my buddy reloads does a pretty good number on coyotes and ground hogs out of either my M-4 or my Ruger Mini-14.
09-23-2019 10:01 PM
Armtx77
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Turns out no. Had a woodchuck on the edge of a wood line 40-50 yards from the house. Been trying to get rid of this guy all summer. He ate my broccoli, cauliflower, and Brussels sprouts. I flushed him from that hole and he moved places. Decided my barn was a good place and burrowed under the ratwall and set up camp under my barn work bench. Set up traps and had a solid bite on one but it was only a single spring and he was a very large guy and escaped. That was 2 weeks ago. So today he popped out and I finally saw him. Took my shot out of a 2nd story window and with a 223 pistol with 60 grain of v-max running about 2,900+ FPS (out of an 18” barrel) and hit him perfect broadside. An inch behind the front leg. He flopped, popped up and started running to the wood line. Second shot was a spine shot that made him tuck and barrel roll and he laid flat out. Thought great, took off my muffs and policed my brass. Looked up and he was gone. Went out to check him out and found one drop of blood and 10 feet in a smear of blood on grass. He made it 20 yards in before he was down. Took 5 minutes to find him and he was still breathing and raised up on his front legs when he saw me. Shot twice more to put him down. First two shots never exited. I hope his insides were goo but I had better hopes for the round. If two good shots won’t put down a wood chuck I may have to move up to the 450 BM the next time. Is this the typical results?
Odd.

I have anchored chucks with Eley SSHP at 75yds with the exact shot you describe.

Bad luck, is what I would chalk it up to.
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