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11-11-2019 08:06 PM
ForgedInTheFlame
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Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
OP - the US Army and USMC are recruiting every day of the week. Get out of moms basement an go learn some stuff FIRST HAND.
Absolutely savage.

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11-11-2019 08:05 PM
ForgedInTheFlame
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Originally Posted by daddyusmaximus View Post
Full load for the last 40 years or so (my entire 28) was 210 rounds. (7 x 30 rd mags) NOT 500 of one caliber, plus 1,000 of another.

Also, even if you did have your pack with sustainment load... it wasn't a pack AND a large duffle bag. It was an ALICE (med or lge) or a MOLLE, or ILBE if a Marine... but you don't patrol with no dufflebag in one hand, and a weapon in the other, plus the pack, plus 3 times normal ammo load...


In Iraq in 04-05 we had double issue of ammo. That was heavy enough that a lot of guys left the second load in a vehicle. I got SAW pouches, and had 6 per side on my body armor, 1 in the gun, and 1 in a pouch on the stock.

Me: 6' 1" 230 (solid muscle) mid 40s.
PFC 5' 10" 165 (skinny, but fit) mid 20s.

Me: "Throw my vest in the truck, I'll be right back."

PFC: "Sure thing Sarge." HOWEVER... 5 seconds later... "Holy ****, this thing is heavy."
What does any of this have to do with me jabbing at exarmyguy lol.



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11-11-2019 08:01 PM
ROCK6
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Originally Posted by Exarmyguy View Post
Im 62 now . 30 - 30 rd mags for a dug in position sure but that plus water, plates and all the other trimmings now would be too much now for patrolling .
They have lighter plates these days. Oh, and I designated my son as the ammo-mule; he's too young, proud, and stupid to realize how heavy all that crap is. I just tell him he's a wussy, and he'll carry my spare ammo to prove his point and help prove my older wisdon

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11-07-2019 05:39 PM
neiowa
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Originally Posted by Exarmyguy View Post
Im 62 now . 30 - 30 rd mags for a dug in position sure but that plus water, plates and all the other trimmings now would be too much now for patrolling .
Too much for anyone with a brain that is going out on a patrol. Is of the throw it in/on. Might need that kitchen sink.
11-07-2019 04:25 PM
neiowa
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Hello, new to the forums! Ive been noticing the trend of really bad events here in the United States and have decided to ..
OP - the US Army and USMC are recruiting every day of the week. Get out of moms basement an go learn some stuff FIRST HAND.
11-04-2019 01:27 PM
bunny man Nice to see everybody is prepared. We were an average family hit by a hurricane. We couldn’t use the back yard. It was a pile of broken jungle. Hanging trees. Snakes. Back door was unusable. House was 100 degrees. As far as my stuff that got stole, oh well. A grill, some chairs. You only have water for so long. Then you have to go look for it. I supported an elderly lady next door and her infant grandchild. What’s ****ed up is one night I ran into two guys in my driveway. Pitch black dog barked and I saw his cigarette. They kept saying “can I come over there” “I’m coming over there” ..... homos. Freaken homos wanting bunny mans crippled fat butt. That ain’t happening. I let the husky go and she chased them down the street. But I’ll be dammed if they didn’t come back. Next time I had two dogs and a .357. Dog had them dancen in the middle of the street. And I kindly asked them not to come back.
The whole storm/event made me evaluate our vulnerability. We had two weeks of food and water but we ended up supporting others. Others didn’t have ****. We survived. But in a big shtf? Mmmm .
11-01-2019 01:31 AM
daddyusmaximus
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Originally Posted by ForgedInTheFlame View Post
No wonder you're ex army lol.

In the army patrolling with a full load out was standard.

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Full load for the last 40 years or so (my entire 28) was 210 rounds. (7 x 30 rd mags) NOT 500 of one caliber, plus 1,000 of another.

Also, even if you did have your pack with sustainment load... it wasn't a pack AND a large duffle bag. It was an ALICE (med or lge) or a MOLLE, or ILBE if a Marine... but you don't patrol with no dufflebag in one hand, and a weapon in the other, plus the pack, plus 3 times normal ammo load...


In Iraq in 04-05 we had double issue of ammo. That was heavy enough that a lot of guys left the second load in a vehicle. I got SAW pouches, and had 6 per side on my body armor, 1 in the gun, and 1 in a pouch on the stock.

Me: 6' 1" 230 (solid muscle) mid 40s.
PFC 5' 10" 165 (skinny, but fit) mid 20s.

Me: "Throw my vest in the truck, I'll be right back."

PFC: "Sure thing Sarge." HOWEVER... 5 seconds later... "Holy ****, this thing is heavy."
10-31-2019 06:32 PM
Exarmyguy
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Originally Posted by ForgedInTheFlame View Post
No wonder you're ex army lol.

In the army patrolling with a full load out was standard.

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Im 62 now . 30 - 30 rd mags for a dug in position sure but that plus water, plates and all the other trimmings now would be too much now for patrolling .
10-31-2019 01:55 PM
Nomad, 2nd
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Originally Posted by ForgedInTheFlame View Post
No wonder you're ex army lol.

In the army patrolling with a full load out was standard.

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Load was also 7-10, not 31
10-31-2019 12:30 PM
ForgedInTheFlame
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Originally Posted by Exarmyguy View Post
I was looking at a British military tactical vest that could carry 30 -30 rd mags. You dont get a better ammo load out for your AR than that. I wouldnt want to go patrolling with a full load though.
No wonder you're ex army lol.

In the army patrolling with a full load out was standard.

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10-31-2019 01:01 AM
Exarmyguy I was looking at a British military tactical vest that could carry 30 -30 rd mags. You dont get a better ammo load out for your AR than that. I wouldnt want to go patrolling with a full load though.
10-30-2019 04:15 PM
daddyusmaximus Gonna try to help you out the best I can...

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I can't really think of 5 different senarios off the top of my head, but Im mainly worried about the combination of world politics, environmental changes in recent years, and the very real and imminent conflicts that will occur when all the oil reserves begin to dry up.

Because of the economy and the way of life in basically every super-power country, wars over oil when supplies start running out is absolutely guaranteed to happen, at some point. Whether or not this will happen within my lifetime can only be guessed at, but will likely lead to a grid-down and supply shortages due to the entire infrastructure relying so heavily on oil for machinery to run everything.

I heavily believe that oil alone will eventually cause a World War III senario as the militaries around the world also heavily rely on oil to supply their machinery and they will be forced into conflict over the last of the reserves.

Keep thinking. Earth quake, EMP, political unrest, pandemic outbreak, economic collapse, (for any reason) It's all out there on the web...

In any event, I live in a fairly dense part of Salt Lake City, so bugging out is really my only option. Staying in a big city in times of crisis is obviously not a good idea. So I will grab food, supplies, water, firearms, pack them into my car with a full tank and head into the mountains for the wildlife availability.

Here's where you run into your first problem. Thousands of people from the area have that same exact plan. The mountains will not be the secluded utopia you think. It will be a crowded refuge camp. (or a series of small camps) BUT, let's be positive and say you just happened to find a secluded spot... What survival skills do you have? When living in the wilderness, the best thing you can bring with you, is skills. Can you build shelter? How about a fire? Can you find, and purify water? If you do get yourself some wild animal, can you skin it, cook it, smoke the meat so it lasts? You know how to trap? It's quiet, and doesn't use ammo. What plants are edible in your area? What ones are dangerous...? These are the types of skills you need. Start learning now.

I am alone and will probably only have my girlfriend with me at first, but we may possibly join up with some of her extended family. All of my family lives in Colorado. We will probably attempt to be accepted into a small rural community. From there, defenses and rationing of supplies will be established. Luckily my car is a very economical 2017 Jetta capable of 45 MPG so while its obviously limited offroad, I have taken it down some trails and honestly, ride height is sufficient for alot more than you would think. Of course in a SHTF senario I would no longer care about denting the panels lol, but eventually we will run out of fuel and be unable to find anymore fuel and will no longer have the advantage of transportation of supplies, and may be forced to ditch some items at that point.

Fuel economy is good, but ride height means zero if you only have one drive axle, and no locking diff on that axle. Any off road detours could be your departure point on foot. Thought about maybe bicycles? A decent mountain bike can go a lot of places.

I plan to carry a large duffle bag and a backpack on foot, with as much food and water as possible, and about 500 rounds of larger caliber ammo with 1000 rounds of smaller caliber, and proceed on foot until we find a suitable place to "set up shop". Then, we simply do our best to survive. I could possibly carry a second duffle bag but Im looking at a heavier loadout already and would rather have a free hand for firearm use in an emergency.

You got pretty defensive earlier in the thread about how "normal" your loadout was for the military on patrols. Keep in mind that when we were on patrol... that was our "fighting load" NOT our "sustainment load". We weren't humping a butt load of food, 500 or 1,000 rds, ... bla, bla the kitchen sink. This is a load we carry to complete that mission only. With an entire Army to support us, we have more ammo brought to us. Same for food, water... You're talking about a survive on your own with no outside help deal... THIS is why you are getting so much flack. If you aren't going to war. ACTUAL war, going out with the mission of looking for, then closing with and destroying the enemy... you don't need all that crap. In a survival situation, the best way to win a firefight, is to avoid one. You arm yourself in the knowlage that you may not always be able to avoid the fight, NOT that you're going out looking for one... You thing you're gonna carry a full combat load, AND a sustainment pack, AND a large duffle bag, AND be ready for a firefight? "with as much food and water as possible" Really? Remember those skills I talked about? If you know how to find food, and water... you don't have to carry as much.


Luckily the state of Utah has none of those new restrictions that other states are facing such as limited magazine capacity, a strong part of the reason why I want to go ahead and start purchasing firearms before the issue starts spreading to the more lax states.
Now, there is nothing wrong with having a rig for combat use. I have one. Most here do as well. Just saying that your "go-to-war" loadout, is NOT the same as your "escape from the big city in a disaster" loadout... Of course you could have all that cached in place somewhere...
10-30-2019 11:43 AM
Marlin94
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Originally Posted by Herkemer View Post
Read 3 pages and fast forwarded to the end...............You guys are screwing with me right? This aint a real thread? Right? Oh mannnnnnnnnn full on funny...I hope...If not full on garbage...jeebus
The OP left the forum but yes he was serious and it was hilarious.

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10-30-2019 01:39 AM
Herkemer Read 3 pages and fast forwarded to the end...............You guys are screwing with me right? This aint a real thread? Right? Oh mannnnnnnnnn full on funny...I hope...If not full on garbage...jeebus
10-27-2019 03:13 PM
Camelfilter Not that great of an idea setting out front getting blinded by white light (fire, lantern, what have you).

Better idea setting up shielding from the white light & setting back behind such.

Far better idea simply not advertising after dark.

However if one must (say a multi-family gathering), do so in a semi-secure area. For simplicity sake, a semi-secure back yard, with folks on watch. Both out front & outside the semi-secure area of the blinding white light, without being silhouetted.

Kiddos & such can still enjoy the innocent illusion of safety.

That’s for a “low risk” type deal of a simple extended power outage.

If “folk” are out and about stealing stuff at night & when no one’s home, no reason to make things easy for them, nor make oneself an easy target for whence things escalate.

Pretty simple really.

FRS radios are pretty inexpensive these days, as are NV monoculars. Hardly tacticool, just simply good sense as part of an intelligent safety envelope, if one cares for there loved ones.
10-27-2019 12:32 PM
GoodPrepper I'm just seeing this. OP, go get training from some one reputable like Larry Vickers. In class you will learn a lot about what gear you already have and seeing what works and doesn't work for you and others in the class will help you think through your "ideal" setup. 99% of people on YouTube have no idea what they are talking about and the same goes for forums. Proper instruction + first hand experience=valuable lessons.
10-24-2019 12:15 AM
hardcalibres
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I think you’re missing an important point.

If you want to get “military” about it, then you need to consider if the environment is permissive or non-permissive. In bunny man’s example, he was sitting around with family and neighbors. There’s no need to be a tacticool goofball wearing nogs while carrying around a semi-automatic rifle...
He was sitting out in his front yard, lit up by a lantern and fire and carrying a Tactical Shotgun (Mossberg Security).

How is that less tacticool than an AR or AK?

He admits he couldn't see anything further than 25 feet (I am hoping that you and he can understand the big problem with that).

How is that a better idea than being hidden (by the darkness), being able to see threats at a distance and that can't see you and being able to selectively place projectiles from a rifle (if it comes to that)?

And you made up the part about him being with his neighbors.....and I think you missed the title of the thread.

Gunfights are a serious matter - people should not dismiss things (including both gear and tactics) that give you even a small advantage, let alone a large one.

AR/AK vs shotgun or repeating rifle = Big Advantage
Night Vision = Big Advantage
Suppressor = Big Advantage
Good tactical training/skillset = Big Advantage
10-23-2019 10:40 PM
Dread11
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It wasn’t shtf. It was a natural disaster. No power or water and pitch black. ..... Only twice did I have a confrontation. The rest of the time we made into the house. Like I said, I’m glad I had dogs. They alerted when I saw nothing. Yes I got stuff stolen, but they never came in the house. The nuts roamed at night.
Sounds like the SHTF to me. Most here don't consider a scenario needs to be permanent to be severe.

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They will thank you for the gear.
Did they thank you for the gear they stole from you?

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I don’t see the need to throw 7.62 or 5.56 lead through the neighborhood.
Neither do I, but you are advocating shotguns - which with OO Buck are throwing 9mm balls around your neighborhood. At least with a rifle your marksmanship can influence how many projectiles just land in bad guys rather than straying into your surroundings. The idea that overpenetration of rifle rounds is a reason to not use them in urban self defence has been thoroughly debunked. That is why police around the US and the world are moving from shotguns to rifle/carbines.

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Honestly, in those conditions I think against more than one person your flashlight is gonna make you a fine target. And in the dark your gonna get popped from the side with that flashlight by someone with a hi-point pistol.
Reread what I posted and you will see that I was recommending night vision gear rather than a white light on your gun.

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Having gone through what I did I would never put a flashlight on a gun. Bad guys don’t.
It is a bad idea to use what bad guys do as your benchmark. Bad guys are mostly dumb. Bad guys mostly get shot.

This thread is about military style loadout for survivalists. Take a look at the guns of our side of the military (the good guys) when they are doing close quarters battle (urban). You will find they have white lights on their guns and they know the tactics of how to employ them safely. But I didn't recommend them in your case, because their use does rely upon appropriate tactics - and that can be hard to get across on the net rather than in good training.

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The thieves stole during the day when we where out looking for supplies.
So do you get the lesson from that? You need to be prepared/resourced to shelter in place for as long as the crisis lasts. You need different self defence tactics.

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Dogs kept them out of the house.
Good for your dogs - they have served you well. If you improve your tactics and preparations, you will earn/deserve their loyalty and good service.
I think you’re missing an important point.

If you want to get “military” about it, then you need to consider if the environment is permissive or non-permissive. In bunny man’s example, he was sitting around with family and neighbors. There’s no need to be a tacticool goofball wearing nogs while carrying around a semi-automatic rifle...
10-23-2019 07:47 PM
hardcalibres
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Originally Posted by bunny man View Post
It wasn’t shtf. It was a natural disaster. No power or water and pitch black. ..... Only twice did I have a confrontation. The rest of the time we made into the house. Like I said, I’m glad I had dogs. They alerted when I saw nothing. Yes I got stuff stolen, but they never came in the house. The nuts roamed at night.
Sounds like the SHTF to me. Most here don't consider a scenario needs to be permanent to be severe.

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They will thank you for the gear.
Did they thank you for the gear they stole from you?

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I don’t see the need to throw 7.62 or 5.56 lead through the neighborhood.
Neither do I, but you are advocating shotguns - which with OO Buck are throwing 9mm balls around your neighborhood. At least with a rifle your marksmanship can influence how many projectiles just land in bad guys rather than straying into your surroundings. The idea that overpenetration of rifle rounds is a reason to not use them in urban self defence has been thoroughly debunked. That is why police around the US and the world are moving from shotguns to rifle/carbines.

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Honestly, in those conditions I think against more than one person your flashlight is gonna make you a fine target. And in the dark your gonna get popped from the side with that flashlight by someone with a hi-point pistol.
Reread what I posted and you will see that I was recommending night vision gear rather than a white light on your gun.

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Having gone through what I did I would never put a flashlight on a gun. Bad guys don’t.
It is a bad idea to use what bad guys do as your benchmark. Bad guys are mostly dumb. Bad guys mostly get shot.

This thread is about military style loadout for survivalists. Take a look at the guns of our side of the military (the good guys) when they are doing close quarters battle (urban). You will find they have white lights on their guns and they know the tactics of how to employ them safely. But I didn't recommend them in your case, because their use does rely upon appropriate tactics - and that can be hard to get across on the net rather than in good training.

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The thieves stole during the day when we where out looking for supplies.
So do you get the lesson from that? You need to be prepared/resourced to shelter in place for as long as the crisis lasts. You need different self defence tactics.

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Dogs kept them out of the house.
Good for your dogs - they have served you well. If you improve your tactics and preparations, you will earn/deserve their loyalty and good service.
10-23-2019 05:52 PM
bunny man Like I said it’s where you like. It wasn’t shtf. It was a natural disaster. No power or water and pitch black. I don’t see the need to throw 7.62 or 5.56 lead through the neighborhood. Honestly, in those conditions I think against more than one person your flashlight is gonna make you a fine target. You have a lot of fine weapons. And in the dark your gonna get popped from the side with that flashlight by someone with a hi-point pistol. They will thank you for the gear. Having gone through what I did I would never put a flashlight on a gun. Bad guys don’t. And I’m sure not going to go looking for them. Only twice did I have a confrontation. The rest of the time we made into the house. Like I said, I’m glad I had dogs. They alerted when I saw nothing. Yes I got stuff stolen, but they never came in the house. The nuts roamed at night. The thieves stole during the day when we where out looking for supplies. Dogs kept them out of the house.
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