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02-28-2019 12:02 PM
Eddie_T I think both canine and a security system operating in harmony would be the best protection. However even a poor security system is better than none and even an untrained canine is better than none. A trained canine is a beauty to behold and would be my personal preference. For an electronic system I have too many windows to go for the rather unsightly security devices. I prefer the listening type which uses fuzzy logic to simulate the canine brain. Basically the electronic ear establishes a spectrum signature of normal sounds and sounds the alarm when an unexpected sound enters the spectrum. That's how a dog's brain works, he can sleep through normal household sounds but when an unexpected sound occurs he is on the alert.

Lost canines have nothing to do with the discussion. Canines (and kids) are not necessarily assigned only to qualified owners. Anti canine trolls are a bit like the little yappers that follow you around biting at your ankles.
02-28-2019 02:50 AM
HeavyHauler
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Originally Posted by Israel Putnam View Post
Who uses kids for security?

Yeah, nobody...
I do, mine are vicious feral little monsters. Part of my security layering.
02-27-2019 09:26 PM
lardragoon Power goes out, dog is still on!
02-14-2019 04:15 PM
augoldminer dogs can be driven nuts by a sonic weapon.

BUT the same sonic weapon can drive a criminal nuts if added to a security system.

https://www.amazing1.com/products/so...o-control.html
02-09-2019 03:56 AM
Old fart Both. Security system is good for gathering, storing, and transmitting information. It's deterrent effect is primarily from improving the odds of successfully prosecuting BG after they've broken the law.

Dog is good for addressing a BG that gets into the house when I'm not home and warning me/working with me to deal with BG that gets into the house when I am home. Her deterrent effect is her ability and willingness to bite

The dog is well-trained, certified, and ongoing training for personal, handler, and area protection, law enforcement, and will not eat/drink anything that is not given to her with the magic word, or allow anyone to pet/play with her without the magic word. No magic word means whoever it is trying to give her anything or be friendly is the enemy and is to be dealt with accordingly. The dog is never outside without my immediate, present supervision, and the vet and appropriate others know/have the magic word

Not foolproof, but the best I can do with the resources at hand. When I get my own place again, at least 2 more trained dogs...

BTW, the cat is no slouch, either
02-06-2019 03:01 PM
Eddie_T When I lived in Bowie, MD a housewife was murdered not too far away in the daytime. We had our Dobe and established this procedure. When coming home, unlock the door, slightly open and wait for the Dobe's nose to appear in gap. The assumption was that any intruder would either do away with the Dobe or at least confine her to get her out of the way.

Once my wife opened the door to call our son in only to see him already coming up the street with a GSD running toward him. The Dobe saw the same thing and ran for the GSD deflecting him away from our son. The GSD could have easily taken the Dobe but the element of surprise was in her favor and the GSD ran home.
02-05-2019 08:06 AM
CORangefinder
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Originally Posted by Israel Putnam View Post
I’m asking this in all seriousness, how do you know he’s all business when you’re not home?
Have you had a friend dress up in a face mask and enter your home?

I’m asking because you seem very sure, sure like the people in a video I posted where peoples dogs let strangers walk right in with a few whimpers.
As I said, I have cameras, too. I can see what goes on when I'm not home. Here's a recent example. An AT&T tech came by the house about a week ago to confirm signal strength for my internet at my interface. He called ahead but I was at work. It didn't matter, everything he was doing was outside. The interface is about three feet from a window. About 15 minutes later, the tech called back confirming all was good outside but mentioned it was really unnerving having my dog staring him down. I didn't have time to watch the feed till I got home but laughed my butt off when I did. The guy was pretty agile the way he jumped backwards and crab-crawled when my dog announced himself through the window. Glad he got himself composed enough to finish though.

Yes, I DO know my dog is all business when I'm not home. As far as having a friend dress up and try to enter, it's probably not a good way to maintain a friendship.
02-04-2019 10:19 PM
DG23
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Originally Posted by Israel Putnam View Post
Iím asking this in all seriousness, how do you know heís all business when youíre not home?
Have you had a friend dress up in a face mask and enter your home?

Iím asking because you seem very sure, sure like the people in a video I posted where peoples dogs let strangers walk right in with a few whimpers.
You make an important point there that people who think 'their dogs will protect them' should consider.

Dogs should be tested well before deciding to depend on them.
02-04-2019 09:19 PM
Israel Putnam
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Originally Posted by CORangefinder View Post
I have both. Motion sensors and cameras tell me everything going on outside my house 24/7 with a 120-pound deterrent inside that says "you really don't want to try bypassing security" while I'm gone. He loves most people as long as I'm present and picks up that I'm okay with someone or know them (only had a couple occurrences that he really had a problem with someone in front of me and they were informed very quickly it was best to stay far away). When I'm not home, he's all business.
Iím asking this in all seriousness, how do you know heís all business when youíre not home?
Have you had a friend dress up in a face mask and enter your home?

Iím asking because you seem very sure, sure like the people in a video I posted where peoples dogs let strangers walk right in with a few whimpers.
02-04-2019 06:39 PM
CORangefinder I have both. Motion sensors and cameras tell me everything going on outside my house 24/7 with a 120-pound deterrent inside that says "you really don't want to try bypassing security" while I'm gone. He loves most people as long as I'm present and picks up that I'm okay with someone or know them (only had a couple occurrences that he really had a problem with someone in front of me and they were informed very quickly it was best to stay far away). When I'm not home, he's all business.
02-04-2019 06:08 PM
Eddie_T Off topic but I always feel the emotions when a soldier is reunited with his Malinois for a forever home.
02-03-2019 08:00 AM
DG23
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Originally Posted by ImStillHere View Post
Thats the dog walking you.......

An easy way to break a leading dog with poor handler habits is to 180 EVERYTIME it leads the leash, even if it means taking only 2 steps and spinning.

You may look like a carnival shooting gallery target but they will learn.

You can keep the 180 stuff and I will stick with the pinch collars. Every time they try to lead me - POW - They get a correction...
02-02-2019 09:26 PM
Eddie_T I taught my Doberman to heel using a 15' longe and a choke collar. I would have her close with the longe coiled then drop the coil if she moved forward I would turn and run the opposite direction. At times I would click the clip as if I were removing the longe, after a few sessions all she would do is give me a quizzical look if I attempted to trick her. I was never confident enough to walk her w/o a leash. I did pretty well with my wolf dog as well but it took a more aggressive choke collar and I trained him to walk on leash before he weighed 120 lbs.

When I was a kid I remember a GSD that would sit between the movie theater and the greasy spoon while his owner saw a movie.
02-02-2019 08:03 AM
lb0190
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Originally Posted by TENNGRIZZ View Post
IMHO dogs are a great early warning system.
I agree. I also know they can also deter some people simply by their presence and posture. When our 90lb GSD-Max came to the front door (full height clear glass), some people walked away, some backed up away from the house until we answered the door. He make sure visitors knew he was there and they were not welcome until we showed him they were welcome.
02-02-2019 08:02 AM
Israel Putnam On a related note, yesterday on Facebook I saw no less than a dozen lost or found home security units posted.
They were out wandering in the cold waiting for their owner to rescue them.
02-02-2019 08:00 AM
Israel Putnam
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Originally Posted by ImStillHere View Post
Thats the dog walking you.......

An easy way to break a leading dog with poor handler habits is to 180 EVERYTIME it leads the leash, even if it means taking only 2 steps and spinning.

You may look like a carnival shooting gallery target but they will learn.
You mean dogs aren't supposed to control their owners?

Seems counter to what many believe but ok...
02-01-2019 10:53 PM
ImStillHere
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Originally Posted by DG23 View Post
The older I get the less I like dogs trying to pull my arms out of their sockets when trying to walk them on a leash.

Thats the dog walking you.......

An easy way to break a leading dog with poor handler habits is to 180 EVERYTIME it leads the leash, even if it means taking only 2 steps and spinning.

You may look like a carnival shooting gallery target but they will learn.
02-01-2019 08:49 PM
DG23
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Originally Posted by Eddie_T View Post
A Swedish study suggests that owning a dog is linked to a reduced risk for cardiovascular disease and death. However they caution that cause and effect have not been demonstrated so don't rush out and buy granny a dog.
The older I get the less I like dogs trying to pull my arms out of their sockets when trying to walk them on a leash.

01-27-2019 11:42 PM
Eddie_T A Swedish study suggests that owning a dog is linked to a reduced risk for cardiovascular disease and death. However they caution that cause and effect have not been demonstrated so don't rush out and buy granny a dog.

Someone in my past told me country people used Guinea Fowl for security. I thought of it when I recently read that they are sometimes purchased for revenge purposes.
01-27-2019 06:43 PM
Israel Putnam Boo hoo some random nobody on the internet thinks I have no creditability.
Hahaha!

I’m soooo sad now.
Haha haha!

Snipper...
Haha haha!
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