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09-04-2012 03:37 AM
Infantryman ive carried atleast My Goretex liner with me everywhere. I used that due to having to sleep on tops of humvees during the iraq winter with tanks kicking up dust. It worked pretty decent at keeping dust out and keeping us warm during an Iraqi winter while sleeping on an uparmoured humvee. When I got home I baught a used one in great condition I have used in up in the mountains, in the woods, deer camp, hiking and much more. From Arizona summers, to Lake Superior winters. I love this sleep system. It works great. Its not perfect at any one thing but it will do everything great. The only complaint I have is that the compression bag has failed some Joes. They are kind of weak but they can be replaced or upgraded easy enough. I got that and the current issue ruck. It fits great in the lower compartment. That comes in handy for,, say your going to hike to the cabin the day after a brothers stag party, and you were drinkin Whiskey till you could barely stand and had to make this trip with a friend so you coudnt cancel,,,, and say you normally carry around a 65 - 75 ruck,,,,, and say this march is around 38 miles,,,, well when your completely exhausted at around 25 or so and have absolutely no energy left you can crab it quick lay it out and crawl in quickly. Its the small things that make a big difference from roughing it to comfort.

Also Im a pretty big guy. i use to powerlift so Im about 5'11 220. I still do some mass building to keep my size up. I havent ever felt like a mummy in it but with all three together it does approach the snug range. Id say buy it. If your a combat vet it could be for nostalgia. Or because its a great modular system for the money.
cheers
Infantryman
Respect In Honor
09-03-2012 04:31 PM
maggie357 Everyone thinks about staying warm in a sleeping bag(naturally), but another thing to think about is your size vs. the sleeping bag. I think of the military surplus as being made for lean, mean fighting machines, not middle aged desk jockeys (like me). I ended up getting a Big Agnes for the extra room so I didn't have to sleep with my arms crossed across my chest all night. I found out the hard way why they call them a mummy bag. My ECSW was very warm, however. I sweated so much that it collected on the roof of the tent and rained on us. The inside of the bag was dry, happily. I got mine from Sportsman's Guide and have no complaints other than the circumference.
09-03-2012 11:40 AM
hungry hunter
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Originally Posted by the cow View Post
If its the Sportsman's guide version, don't get it. I had that before I went to the real deal. The zippers are meh and the snaps are crap. The stuff sack tore the first time I tried putting it in. I use it as my car's BOB and for when people go camping with me and don't have one

You're better off buying the system used and can get all the parts for 50-100 bucks. From my experience, the components are usually in very good shape and have that good ol' surplus store smell.

Remember, you buy chinese crap, you get chinese crap.
I love that smell...
09-03-2012 11:01 AM
sachson I'm a fan of the used GI bags, used 'em, and they are not as durable as the old intermediate bags, but versitile. If the price is right, better than knock off. Those bags suck worse.

Maybe ebay up a used north face sleeping bag for under 100. Or poncho/liner in summer.
09-03-2012 06:33 AM
jetgraphics At the opposite end of the weight spectrum are the camping hammocks, like Hennessy Hammock. These aren't the old fashioned hammock tents of yore. They weigh in at under 3 lbs., some less. Hennessy Hammocks come with integral insect mesh, rainfly, and are ready to go.

(Hennessy has patents on his asymmetric bottom-entry camping hammock, which explains why no one else copies his designs. But there are DIY plans floating around for those who are adept at sewing. The rest of the industry uses side entry. Personally, I like the bottom entry because it is least stressful and immune from accidental fallout.)

http://hennessyhammock.com/
http://hammockforums.net/

If you go the hanging Chad route, your sleep gear shifts away from traditional bags, etc.

In a nutshell, due to one's back compressing any insulation, the typical cold weather hanger uses an "under quilt" suspended BELOW the hammock and thus uncompressed. This also means that they tend to be proprietary / custom sized to the specific hammock system used.

Some cottage industries make multi-tasking products like under quilts that can be turned into snow parkas, etc, etc.

YouTube has some interesting videos of winter hangers doing their thing in the ice and snow.

Humorous video by "Shug" Emery:
2012 Frozen Butt Hang: -19.8 coldest group hang

Some of the fanatics are into ultra light weight camping, so they tend to have quirky / eclectic methods of camping. But that's a good thing for a B.O.B. and hoofin' to one's B.O.L.


Lastly, hammocks are ideal for hot / humid camping, by design.
09-03-2012 05:39 AM
shawn7335 I don’t like the knock off stuff. I still like the old GI green bag with poncho liner.
08-30-2012 12:48 PM
Preacherboy I thought I read the true military MSS is rated to -40 with all three bags together, also if you are worried about price you can probably find one on ebay close to your $70 price tag on the chinese one.

The issue with the knock off's will be the stitching, zippers, material, insulation...none of that will have be up to army specific standards and who knows how long it will last or if it will keep you warm.

The other issue I've read about with synthetic insulation (instead of down) is after awhile it gets "compressed" and instead of being a 0 degree rating would be maybe 30 degree or something like that.
08-30-2012 12:24 PM
jeepguy93 The goretex bivy is my favorite part of the system. Not only is it tough as hell. It waterproof. The green patrol bag actually packs up pretty small by itself. I like this bag because its larger than a standard bag. This is nice when its warmer for that leg room. However the black intermediate bag packs a little larger. This bag does a good job of keeping me warm. Ive slept in the bivy, intermediate bag, and thermarest down to 7F and I was fine. If opened the draft tube up I could feel the heat pour out. I run warm anyways so temp rating are some what useless because everyone is different.

I have also used the bivy in freezing rain/rain/snow and ive never had a leak or condensation build up. I do however make sure the DWR is up to snuff on all my breathable outdoor gear. Overall its a good system all 3 peices pack to large. I never take both bags. But when packed with 1 bag and bivy its not a bad combo.
08-30-2012 12:02 PM
Ethereal Killer
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Originally Posted by Filthy_McNasty View Post
Close guess! It's from Bargain Outfitters, which is a sister company to Sportsman's Guide:

http://www.bargainoutfitters.com/net....aspx?a=511888

I wholeheartedly agree about buying chinese junk, however, I need a low cost sleeping bag of some sort. The Wiggy's and Snugsacks cost upwards of $150. The BO sleeping bag looks like a pretty decent deal for $70
you wont find a better system for the price than a real GI ecwss. dont buy the knock-offs, find you a real GI one.
08-30-2012 11:34 AM
Eagle One I jut bought a very good condition used military sleep system, the previous generation that is good down to -30 for $69 bucks yesterday from a surplus dealer in Mo., also bought a full Mollee II ruck with the sleep system carrier for $89 bucks from the same place. Should have them next week I will post a review of the sleep system, but for $69 if it is in good condition that seems like a great deal, it is cheaper than the snugsak I bought 10 years ago.
08-30-2012 11:26 AM
Filthy_McNasty
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Originally Posted by the cow View Post
If its the Sportsman's guide version, don't get it. I had that before I went to the real deal. The zippers are meh and the snaps are crap. The stuff sack tore the first time I tried putting it in. I use it as my car's BOB and for when people go camping with me and don't have one

You're better off buying the system used and can get all the parts for 50-100 bucks. From my experience, the components are usually in very good shape and have that good ol' surplus store smell.

Remember, you buy chinese crap, you get chinese crap.
Close guess! It's from Bargain Outfitters, which is a sister company to Sportsman's Guide:

http://www.bargainoutfitters.com/net....aspx?a=511888

I wholeheartedly agree about buying chinese junk, however, I need a low cost sleeping bag of some sort. The Wiggy's and Snugsacks cost upwards of $150. The BO sleeping bag looks like a pretty decent deal for $70
08-30-2012 10:30 AM
the cow
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Originally Posted by Filthy_McNasty View Post
I found a 3pc E.C.W.S. sleeping bag set for a price that I cannot pass up. This particular one says "created especially for civilian use--imported". Are all genuine ecws sleeping bags made in America? If this one is a knock-off, what drawbacks will it have compared to the real military ones?

Should I avoid buying it?

Thanks.
If its the Sportsman's guide version, don't get it. I had that before I went to the real deal. The zippers are meh and the snaps are crap. The stuff sack tore the first time I tried putting it in. I use it as my car's BOB and for when people go camping with me and don't have one

You're better off buying the system used and can get all the parts for 50-100 bucks. From my experience, the components are usually in very good shape and have that good ol' surplus store smell.

Remember, you buy chinese crap, you get chinese crap.
08-30-2012 10:27 AM
Ethereal Killer IME the ECWSS with minimal clothing on is good as a SYSTEM to maybe 25F. thats being generous. the patrol bag is good with minimal clothing to maybe 40F.

Of course if you wear more layers you can extend the range, but the bags themselves are just not that good in the big spectrum.

I'll second the wiggys reccomendations tho.

I'd skip the imported bag combo. The USGI bivvy is made with real goretex and that alone is worth the $100 you'll pay for a surplus system.

A really sweet bag combo is the wiggys overbag, wiggys ultralight and a USGI bivvy. that lets you do about anything you are likely to encounter in the lower 48.
08-30-2012 08:46 AM
navycorpsman
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Originally Posted by TDFbound View Post
The only pieces I was given are a Gore-Tex bivy, cold weather black bag, and warm weather green bag. As far as I know, the military ones are a three piece system. It's what my entire battallion uses and every single one of us knows it's a piece of ****.
I loved both of my issued sleep systems, they've kept me warm on a lot of cold nights in the field. Why don't you like it?
08-30-2012 08:45 AM
navycorpsman
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Originally Posted by Filthy_McNasty View Post
Thanks for your replies. The SB contains the following:

Intermediate Sleeping Bag:
  • Can be used with one or both of the other Bags
  • Drawstring hood
  • 2-1/2 lbs. of HollofilŽ
  • Super tough 190T rip-stop fabric
  • Measures 34 x 81 x 24"
  • All 3 Bags together earn a -10°F comfort rating

Patrol Sleeping Bag:
  • 1 1/2 lbs. HolloŽ fiber
  • 190T rip-stop fabric with a water-resistant coating
  • Large nylon zipper and baffle
  • Drawstring hood
  • Measures 81 x 34 x 24"
  • Comfort rated +30-50°F

Outer Shell Bivy Bag:
  • Waterproof, taped and breathable material
  • Fully encloses your body with grip-strip closure at top
  • Hooded
  • Includes compression sack that holds all three bags. 8 lbs., 5 ozs. Imported




The SB in question costs $69.99 shipped. That seems like a really good deal even for an import, no?
a lot of problems I've been hearing with the knock-offs is the bivvy sack isn't as breathable as they say. the military issue is gor-tex and works amazing, people that have the knockoffs say they sweat horribly and get soaked.
08-30-2012 08:37 AM
Filthy_McNasty Thanks for your replies. The SB contains the following:

Intermediate Sleeping Bag:
  • Can be used with one or both of the other Bags
  • Drawstring hood
  • 2-1/2 lbs. of HollofilŽ
  • Super tough 190T rip-stop fabric
  • Measures 34 x 81 x 24"
  • All 3 Bags together earn a -10°F comfort rating

Patrol Sleeping Bag:
  • 1 1/2 lbs. HolloŽ fiber
  • 190T rip-stop fabric with a water-resistant coating
  • Large nylon zipper and baffle
  • Drawstring hood
  • Measures 81 x 34 x 24"
  • Comfort rated +30-50°F

Outer Shell Bivy Bag:
  • Waterproof, taped and breathable material
  • Fully encloses your body with grip-strip closure at top
  • Hooded
  • Includes compression sack that holds all three bags. 8 lbs., 5 ozs. Imported

Quote:
Used together or separately, these Bags bring the comprehensive suite of E.C.W.S. features to an extra-comfy, completely adaptable four-season sleep system created especially for civilian use

The SB in question costs $69.99 shipped. That seems like a really good deal even for an import, no?
08-29-2012 11:47 PM
Ethereal Killer you should be able to get a milsurp one for less than $100. It sounds like a knock off. frankly the mil ones arent stellar but for the price it's hard to beat. I'd leave it even at $50.
08-29-2012 11:33 PM
Preacherboy the fourth part of the system is the "stuff sack"...although when you combine the other parts of the system together they are all pretty large. There are civilian equivalents that are warmer and lighter.

However, I enjoy military surplus and prefer it over civilian because of the price...but knockoffs are junk! If there is no NSN or obvious markings from military contracters there is no quality.
08-29-2012 11:02 PM
whirlibird Skip the cheap stuff.

Get a Wiggy's bag/system.

http://www.wiggys.com/
08-29-2012 10:40 PM
jeepguy93 It has to be american made. Tennier Industries makes them. Should see a tag in the picture.
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