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07-07-2019 09:55 PM
Senex https://restoreprivacy.com/secure-browser/

https://www.techworld.com/security/b...wsers-3246550/

https://www.zdnet.com/pictures/all-t...ased-browsers/
06-05-2019 07:20 PM
ralfy Try the Facebook Disconnect add-on.
06-05-2019 05:03 PM
sarco2000
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Originally Posted by Pitbull_Dallas View Post
Don't forget, Facebook tracks people that aren't even signed up for Facebook. That little revelation came out sometime back..
Yes, that's what I was referring to. It's called "shadow profiling".

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06-05-2019 11:50 AM
Pitbull_Dallas
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Originally Posted by sarco2000 View Post
Well if that's all they used your private data for (to send you ads), you might have a point. But they sell it to other companies. Facebook is MUCH worse at this, but I'm sure Google does it too. The point is, they have all your data and you think they have not abused it yet, but what's stopping them?

And they have a TON of data on all of us, and there is no reason they can't turn it over to malevolent gov't or private entities.

Facebook recently gave a user's personal information to a Daily Beast reporter so they could dox him in an attempt to ruin the guy's life because he posted that altered video of Nancy Pelosi:

https://briefgate.com/2019/06/02/dai...ump-supporter/

Everything seems great, so you trust them, until it isn't so great anymore.

And if you say you don't care because you're not on Facebook, that doesn't matter. People you know are on Facebook, so Facebook has your data.

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Don't forget, Facebook tracks people that aren't even signed up for Facebook. That little revelation came out sometime back..
06-05-2019 08:32 AM
ralfy
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Originally Posted by PurpleKitty View Post
The worst, to me, is Avast. I get annoying pop ups telling me of "better deals" every time I go to certain websites, like Walmart. I go to walmart.com and I end up with 5 pop ups for "better deals" on Amazon. I go to Swanson Vitamin, more annoying pop ups. It wants to tell me where, and how, to shop. I can't figure out how to turn that off and am VERY sorry I allowed it to install.

That's the only aspect of online shopping I find annoying. I don't use an ad blocker. I even turned off Windows pop up blocker because I was having a problem with some sites.

I have the option to turn on ads in blogger but have chosen not to.
I don't think those are ads from the browser but from the antivirus. Use the silent or gaming mode to turn it off. What that means is that the program thinks you're running something full screen (like a game or video), and it won't show popup notifications.

You can also try free versions of other antivirus programs to see which ones have upgrade popups that can be disabled and that don't slow down the system.
06-05-2019 07:22 AM
PurpleKitty The worst, to me, is Avast. I get annoying pop ups telling me of "better deals" every time I go to certain websites, like Walmart. I go to walmart.com and I end up with 5 pop ups for "better deals" on Amazon. I go to Swanson Vitamin, more annoying pop ups. It wants to tell me where, and how, to shop. I can't figure out how to turn that off and am VERY sorry I allowed it to install.

That's the only aspect of online shopping I find annoying. I don't use an ad blocker. I even turned off Windows pop up blocker because I was having a problem with some sites.

I have the option to turn on ads in blogger but have chosen not to.
06-03-2019 08:18 PM
ralfy
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Originally Posted by gungatim View Post
can you use Iridium on a mobile phone? I don't see it in the play store or at least not sure which one is the browser since there's a bunch of them showing up.
According to their FAQ, it's currently not available for mobile phones. For the latter, you can probably consider one or more of the ff.

https://techwiser.com/open-source-browser-for-android/
06-03-2019 04:47 PM
sarco2000
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Originally Posted by clocker View Post
What browsers do you recommend?
If you want to be REALLY secure, use Tor. It's kinda slow though.

https://www.torproject.org/

For email, use Proton Mail.

For messaging, I sometimes use WhatsApp which is supposed to be encrypted but it's owned by Facebook now, so maybe there are better alternatives out there. But it does work and it's pretty good.

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06-03-2019 04:38 PM
sarco2000
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Originally Posted by LibShooter View Post
I don't consider Google's "spying" to be "evil" for a few reasons:

1. It's not secret. We all know that everyone is collecting data as we browse the web

2. It's optional. You don't really "have" to use the internet at all. If you do, there are some hoops to jump through to limit Google's ability to track you, as you suggested. Granted, Google's programmers are likely to be better than everyone else's, so there is sort of an "arms race" on ad blockers and VPNs... but they are something.

3. It's useful (to me, at least). I like having so much content on the web delivered at no direct cost, but as you say, nothing id REALLY free. If ads and some personal information are the cost of having a service like Google Search or YouTube available, I will gladly make that trade.

Also, I like to have ads delivered that I am actually interested in. On the sites that do it best, more than half the things advertised are things that I might actually want. That's handy. A few weeks ago, somehow the e-commerce oracles knew that I was going to need some safety glasses. (Maybe from my searching for chainsaw and mower reviews... or maybe from some other magic.) However, they did it, the ads came at just the right time and led me to a good deal on Amazon. Win-win-win.

It is probable that these perfectly served ads cause some consumers to buy things they don't REALLY need. That's free enterprise for ya.
Well if that's all they used your private data for (to send you ads), you might have a point. But they sell it to other companies. Facebook is MUCH worse at this, but I'm sure Google does it too. The point is, they have all your data and you think they have not abused it yet, but what's stopping them?

And they have a TON of data on all of us, and there is no reason they can't turn it over to malevolent gov't or private entities.

Facebook recently gave a user's personal information to a Daily Beast reporter so they could dox him in an attempt to ruin the guy's life because he posted that altered video of Nancy Pelosi:

https://briefgate.com/2019/06/02/dai...ump-supporter/

Everything seems great, so you trust them, until it isn't so great anymore.

And if you say you don't care because you're not on Facebook, that doesn't matter. People you know are on Facebook, so Facebook has your data.

.
06-03-2019 04:27 PM
~Black.Dog~ This seems to be a good thread to ask a question I've had lately.

Are these VPN sevices I've been haring about worth buying?

I do most of my surfing on my phone from the secure wireless networks at my shop and home. Sometimes using my cellular carriers data rather than wireless router.
I almost never log in to other wireless networks when I'm out and about. I use cellular data then.

Also, since Google and Amazon have records of all my searching and shopping going back a long time, is using something like Duck, Duck, Go at this point really doing anything for me?

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
06-03-2019 03:52 PM
JBryan314 Y’all, Libshooter is LIBERAL. He doesn’t live in the same universe as you do. There is little to be gained anymore from attempting to communicate with people who don’t live in the same dimension or reality.

Just enjoy the entertainment.
06-03-2019 02:15 PM
gungatim
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Originally Posted by ralfy View Post
At least for Chrome users, consider Iridium.

For Firefox users, Waterfox.

Both strip off privacy issues, including telemetry.

Waterfox allows for legacy add-ons plus configuring the interface the way you want (e.g., status and vertical toolbar, classical theme, etc.).

For adblockers, there's uBlock Origin with multiple lists, including those from Nano Defender. For other security addons, there's NoScript, CanvasBlocker, Decentraleyes, Privacy Possum, Tunnel Bear blocker, and more.
can you use Iridium on a mobile phone? I don't see it in the play store or at least not sure which one is the browser since there's a bunch of them showing up.
06-03-2019 01:58 PM
clocker
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Originally Posted by LibShooter View Post
I don't consider Google's "spying" to be "evil" for a few reasons:

1. It's not secret. We all know that everyone is collecting data as we browse the web
How much do you think their marketshare would suffer if not just in their microscopic, 1000-page user agreement, UP FRONT, on their download page, and/or if every time Chrome launched, it says that they tracked everything that you the user did, and they can sell or use that information however they see fit?

Maybe people (I suspect most) would be like you, and say "who cares". But, there are others who do. Isn't one of the great things about the Internet is that it's chock-full of information? And choice? Why not inform your users, and make it possible for them make an informed choice (like you did)?
06-03-2019 01:47 PM
clocker
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Originally Posted by Kalashnikov47 View Post
I don't use chrome several reasons. I'm a technical support agent for a nationwide ISP, chrome and firefox have the most problems...
What browsers do you recommend?
06-03-2019 01:22 PM
LibShooter
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Originally Posted by sarco2000 View Post
It isn't the ads, it's the spying. The INTENT is not evil, but the result kinda is.
I don't consider Google's "spying" to be "evil" for a few reasons:

1. It's not secret. We all know that everyone is collecting data as we browse the web

2. It's optional. You don't really "have" to use the internet at all. If you do, there are some hoops to jump through to limit Google's ability to track you, as you suggested. Granted, Google's programmers are likely to be better than everyone else's, so there is sort of an "arms race" on ad blockers and VPNs... but they are something.

3. It's useful (to me, at least). I like having so much content on the web delivered at no direct cost, but as you say, nothing id REALLY free. If ads and some personal information are the cost of having a service like Google Search or YouTube available, I will gladly make that trade.

Also, I like to have ads delivered that I am actually interested in. On the sites that do it best, more than half the things advertised are things that I might actually want. That's handy. A few weeks ago, somehow the e-commerce oracles knew that I was going to need some safety glasses. (Maybe from my searching for chainsaw and mower reviews... or maybe from some other magic.) However, they did it, the ads came at just the right time and led me to a good deal on Amazon. Win-win-win.

It is probable that these perfectly served ads cause some consumers to buy things they don't REALLY need. That's free enterprise for ya.




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06-02-2019 06:55 PM
ralfy From what I know, Opera is now being developed by a Chinese company.

Iridium is backed by the Open Source Business Alliance and strips off all telemetry from Chromium.

Waterfox is developed by one programmer with volunteers, is also open source, and strips off all telemetry from the Mozilla code.

The latter has the additional ability of allowing users to modify the interface, like using a classical theme, as well as use legacy addons like vertical and status toolbars.
06-02-2019 06:50 AM
Lost Woods Survival Hate to say but I would in Networking engineering for a while and different computer sciences over the years and no matter what you do your ISP tracks you. Unless you use a VPN every second you have your internet open. If you don't believe me ask your ISP for a list of sites you visited. And then the VPN client doesn't always work like people think it does.

As far as google chrome. I use it, but I am forced to with the work I do and the programs and links I have to tie to websites and programs.
06-02-2019 06:48 AM
HomeDefense
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Originally Posted by LibShooter View Post
Google isn’t evil. It is a company that sells internet ads. You shouldn’t be surprised that the application it gives away for free would display ads.
Nothing to truly free with Google. Everything they offer "for free" is spyware. Their TOS (terms of service), which no one reads, clearly states that they can use any information they gather from any of their services for any purpose they wish. You have no right to privacy when using any Google product.

That includes GMail. I only use GMail for newsletters and junk mail.

I ran a white hat SEO company for several years. I once ran a test that proved how Chrome was spyware that reported every web page you visited back to Google. Google uses Chrome as a spider to find new web sites. I set up several hidden web pages in various sites. There were no links to the hidden pages and no way for a user or a search engine spider to find them. I waited a week and kept checking Google's index. The hidden pages showed up in Google within 24 hours after visiting the pages with Chrome. They never showed up in Yahoo or Bing.

I'm also a former Google Partner for AdWords advertising. AdWords is Google's cash cow. They get over 95% of their revenue from advertising.

There is only one thing to keep in mind when it comes to Google. Google is not your friend.
06-02-2019 05:47 AM
charliemeyer007 So I just downloaded Opera. Free VPN and ad blocking built in. It can run on lenox. Looks interesting. Speed test showed a large ping (about 10x) but download was normal and upload was about half normal for here. Watching youtube was the same as always - fine.
06-02-2019 03:46 AM
ralfy At least for Chrome users, consider Iridium.

For Firefox users, Waterfox.

Both strip off privacy issues, including telemetry.

Waterfox allows for legacy add-ons plus configuring the interface the way you want (e.g., status and vertical toolbar, classical theme, etc.).

For adblockers, there's uBlock Origin with multiple lists, including those from Nano Defender. For other security addons, there's NoScript, CanvasBlocker, Decentraleyes, Privacy Possum, Tunnel Bear blocker, and more.
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