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03-18-2010 07:29 AM
gridless I've been a prepper for years and though that is still how I classifiy my attitudes and actions, I must admit that my thinking has begun to shift recently. With my preps, plans and BOL ready for whatever may come, be it natural disaster or man-made stupidity, I see a lot on the part of this government and those who support it, or expect its support, that gives me reasons to move to survival mode.
03-18-2010 05:23 AM
the uk survivalist Is there any real difference between preppers, bushcraft and survival, we are all trying to survive?. As a survivalist do you not require preparation in getting your kit together and bushcraft skills to build a shelter to survive. As a prepper are you not planning on being survivers and the same can be said for bush crafters. Im a survivalist, prepper and bushcrafter any to survive.
the uk survivalist
03-09-2010 10:09 PM
Exile
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Originally Posted by Kroenen117 View Post
have you ever seen a duck billed playtapus? im kinda a frankenstien of survivalism, prepper, and patriot. Im far from being the best of any of those categories..

But im not some militant crazy, im not a pack rat (house is full of things i dont even need) messy shutin, and im not trying to assasinate anyone.

Im moderate in almost everything i do balanced to a fine point.


I think of this life kinda from the perspective look at the picture i have below.. which skills stats and attributes will get you through any disaster alive? hope thats detailed enough ohio man
I just can't help but to love your reference (the picture). Though, if that represents you, you might want to train a bit more on your "Big Guns". It might help one day.

03-09-2010 08:05 AM
Mtnman Mike
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Originally Posted by Wolfe View Post
I'm a mall ninja, yee haa!

J/K. I've always failed to see the distinction between survivalist and prepper.

Is a prepper just a guy with some food, first aid stuff and a gun? And is a survivalist more hardcore? More oriented towards weaponry? Or is a survivalist somebody who takes prepping to the extreme? Or is a survivalist somebody who is completely self sufficent and lives off the grid far from the city? Or does survivalist have to do with certain politics, views of the world, conspiracy theories?

I don't really get it. I'm just wolfe and I like that.
As I have said at least twice somewhere is that prepper is a more pc - politically correct term trying to replace survivalist. I also think that a prepper possibly does not have any guns to protect their preps but a survivalist Does have a gun or two maybe even many and much ammo etc. to Protect their preps, loved ones and what they have worked hard to obtain.

Back to the landers, homesteaders, farmers and many others might be off grid and self sufficient. They are not necessarily survivalists and most would not want to be thought as such.

Here is a blog that tells the difference and much of what I and some others have said. Few listen to my ideas so here is this >

"From The Urban Dictionary - 1. Prepper: Someone who focuses on preparedness, generally for various worst-case scenarios like peak oil or Armageddon. Sometimes used to avoid the more loaded term survivalist.

By all indications political correctness has found its way into the ranks of the preparedness movement. In the late 1980s those preparing for an uncertain future embraced the term survivalist - a term Kurt Saxon claims to have coined.

Whether he did or not is beside the point as it appears that most survival planner's are now embracing the more politically correct term "prepper."

It appears that the term survivalist has been effectively demonized by the mainstream media and the liberal left. With survivalists themselves falling victim to this latest ideology toward political correctness.

It has always peeved me off when the mainstream news media lump together the terms white supremacist, militia and survivalist as if one and the same. When in fact they are very different.

According to the news media if you are a survivalist you are also a white supremacist, a militia member and may be even a skinhead or Klan member.

It is an effective tactic that has swayed the opinion of the public, as well as that of survival planers who are now trying to distance themselves from the politically incorrect term survivalist and the stereotype attached to it.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the terms prepper or prepping - I've use them here on the survivalist blog in the past and will continue to do so. Not for purposes of being politically correct, but in an attempt to rank for those terms when people enter them in google search.

Who knows perhaps these new, less offensive labels will attract more people to the preparedness movement. At-least until the media starts a new smear campaign..."

The above is from > http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/20...r-prepper.html

And for those who want many details and even much of the history of survivalism which from many sources on the net might not be complete or even completely true > http://www.answers.com/topic/survivalist
03-09-2010 04:04 AM
LongRider
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Originally Posted by ForestBeekeeper
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Originally Posted by MR_SLOW
Survivalist are people who can live off the land and produce there own food. I consider a guy or gal that owns a farm or ranch a survivalist if the(y) store food and practice survival.
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A Survivalist can live anywhere and live off the land. He can produce his own food and housing from scratch. He knows how to hunt, track and fish in all kinds of conditions. He knows how to raise animals and skin them. He can make his own clothes treat his own wounds etc. A guy like this is a expert in storing food preps and preparing the land to grow food. I've been working on getting that title all my life.
I like that idea.

To me that is a 'survivalist'.

Now I do not know if he really needs to be skilled in self-sufficiency in every region of the world though; just in his region. Desert skills are a lot different from forest skills.

These are all a part of being a 'survivalist'.

1. Live off the land;
2. produce your own housing, grow your own food, make your own clothing;
3. preserve your own food;
4. hunt, fish, animal husbandry, tanning;
5. dress your own wounds.
I think you two gents covered it very well. I do tend to agree with ForestBeekeeper that a survivalist need not have the skills to survive anywhere though that may be the ideal. Being totally self sufficient in the environment we live in is a life long endeavor. MR_SLOW sounds to me like you qualify for the title if it really matters. Knowing what we don't know and what we need to learn next is part of the definition. Honest accurate self assessment has to be the foundation of all our survival skills and preparations
03-08-2010 04:27 PM
negirl gosh that's a good question. I guess I'm a combo! Let's call it the prepalist...or the survio-prep! LOL. I suppose I prep for the short term, and think survival for the long term after the preps run out. Ideally, the prep would buy some time so we can get organized and deal with weather, crazies, etc.
03-08-2010 04:18 PM
ForestBeekeeper
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Originally Posted by Wolfe View Post
I'm a mall ninja, yee haw!

J/K. I've always failed to see the distinction between survivalist and prepper.

Is a prepper just a guy with some food, first aid stuff and a gun?
Yes pretty much.


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... And is a survivalist more hardcore? More oriented towards weaponry?
Lots of folk are focused on weapons.

It does not mean that they can feed themselves.



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... Or is a survivalist somebody who takes prepping to the extreme?
It would be very hard to do that.

You can stock 5-years worth of stuff, but what happens after 5-years?

10?

20?

A prepper is still just a prepper.



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... Or is a survivalist somebody who is completely self sufficient and lives off the grid far from the city?
Yes.



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... Or does survivalist have to do with certain politics, views of the world, conspiracy theories?
I think that we all have different views of politics.



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... I don't really get it. I'm just wolfe and I like that.
Good.

03-08-2010 04:13 PM
ForestBeekeeper
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Originally Posted by MR_SLOW View Post
Survivalist are people who can live off the land and produce there own food. I consider a guy or gal that owns a farm or ranch a survivalist if the store food and practice survival.

...

A Survivalist can live anywhere and live off the land. He can produce his own food and housing from scratch. He knows how to hunt, track and fish in all kinds of conditions. He knows how to raise animals and skin them. He can make his own clothes treat his own wounds etc. A guy like this is a expert in storing food preps and preparing the land to grow food. I've been working on getting that title all my life.
I like that idea.

To me that is a 'survivalist'.

Now I do not know if he really needs to be skilled in self-sufficiency in every region of the world though; just in his region. Desert skills are a lot different from forest skills.

These are all a part of being a 'survivalist'.

1. Live off the land;
2. produce your own housing, grow your own food, make your own clothing;
3. preserve your own food;
4. hunt, fish, animal husbandry, tanning;
5. dress your own wounds.
03-08-2010 03:23 PM
Wolfe I'm a mall ninja, yee haa!

J/K. I've always failed to see the distinction between survivalist and prepper.

Is a prepper just a guy with some food, first aid stuff and a gun? And is a survivalist more hardcore? More oriented towards weaponry? Or is a survivalist somebody who takes prepping to the extreme? Or is a survivalist somebody who is completely self sufficent and lives off the grid far from the city? Or does survivalist have to do with certain politics, views of the world, conspiracy theories?

I don't really get it. I'm just wolfe and I like that.
03-08-2010 03:13 PM
dirtydog Im a lil bit of both i spose.
03-08-2010 03:09 PM
MR_SLOW Survivalist are people who can live off the land and produce there own food. I consider a guy or gal that owns a farm or ranch a survivalist if the store food and practice survival.

A Prepper is what I am. I live in a suburb and I do grow food in my back yard. I have a few fruit trees that produce fruit. I can't live off what I grow so this is one of the big differences I see.

I have several skill related to survival.I like to build things like boats, trailers and motorcycles etc. I know how to hunt and fish and been doing it all my life. I'm a pretty good mechanic, electrician, plumber, machinist, welder, bio medical engineer, machine repair mechanic etc. I stock up on food preps and have loads of camping equipment. I rebuilt my garage as a food storage place.I insulated the garage and installed a 60 amp service with heating and air conditioning. I installed over 25 steelcase cabinets with locks.I bought a motor home as my BOV and I added a large trailer for my extra supplies. I feel the needs to protect my stuff so I added body armour, weapons and ammo etc.

I'm not a survivalist, because I doubt I could live in the woods over a few months.Ive done it for 3 week out in Canada and ate like a king. I know there is a huge difference in trying to live off the land long term. Let but it this way, I wouldn't want to try.

A Survivalist can live anywhere and live off the land. He can produce his own food and housing from scratch. He knows how to hunt ,track and fish in all kinds of conditions. He knows how to raise animals and skin them. He can make his own clothes treat his own wounds etc.A guy like this is a expert in storing food preps and preparing the land to grow food. I've been working on getting that title all my life.
03-08-2010 10:25 AM
Kroenen117 have you ever seen a duck billed playtapus? im kinda a frankenstien of survivalism, prepper, and patriot. Im far from being the best of any of those categories..

But im not some militant crazy, im not a pack rat (house is full of things i dont even need) messy shutin, and im not trying to assasinate anyone.

Im moderate in almost everything i do balanced to a fine point.


I think of this life kinda from the perspective look at the picture i have below.. which skills stats and attributes will get you through any disaster alive? hope thats detailed enough ohio man
03-08-2010 10:11 AM
BadgeBunny Definitely a prepper, but with an eye toward survivalist.

I have two lists ... one of supplies (prep) and one of skills (survival).

The ultimate goal, like many others here have stated, is to be as self-sufficient as possible. Completely off the grid and self-sufficient would be nice and is the "holy grail" of the wish list here.

Truth of the matter is we will probably fall somewhat short of that goal, but the closer we can get to it the better off we will be.
03-08-2010 10:10 AM
Exile Can we be both???


Either way, I would like to survive.
03-08-2010 10:07 AM
PreppingMama I'd say at this point I'm more of a prepper that is trying to plan at least somewhat for the long-term. For example, sterno cans and propane tanks are great but will eventually run out. How will I keep my family warm and fed when they do run out? I'm not even necessarily thinking about that in a true long-term sense of TEOTWAWKI, but in the "OMG, I only currently have 6 sterno cans and 24 gallons of propane...that will last me a week if I'm lucky. What if the power goes out and isn't restored for several weeks?" So I'm playing around with solar ovens and hobo stoves and trying to decide if I'll kill my home value by putting in a wood stove, knowing we plan to move in a few years in favor of more land.

Honestly, at this point I'm probably still more of an armchair type. I have lots of plans and have done lots of reading, putting aside food and supplies as I can, which is sloooowly.

My husband is the survivalist. He's the one that's subsisted on lizard stew made with wild onions in the Balkans when their mission lasted several days longer than their supplies. He's the one that can hunt, fish, knows about security, and has witnessed many cultures in developing countries and how they survive. My problem is he deploys frequently, so I really need to learn those skills for myself.

Could we survive? I hope to never find out. But the more I do, the safer I feel.
03-08-2010 08:28 AM
Genevieve from what I'm reading, I apparently am a survivalist. I thought I was a prepper. *shrugs* I don't know. It doesn't matter what label I'm suppose to wear. I'm doing what I have to , to be able to make it come what may. Call me what ya want....I've been called worse by people who love me! LMAO!
03-08-2010 12:06 AM
MikeK
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Originally Posted by OhioMan View Post
As more time goes by I find myself making the transition between prepping and survialist thinking.

As a prepper, I am always asking myself: What will I do when this runs out, what if this is long term, (2-20 years) what happens when I have no more LP gas?

We are very fortunate to have highly skilled survialist like MikeK and of course Kev and many others to give advice and offer help....the kind of people that can make a chocolate cake with icing from tree bark and some grass

I would assume this is a natual transition, is there anyone else that your thinking has changed or is changing from a prepper to a survialist?
You give me way too much credit, bro. I've picked up a lot of info because I've been in it a long time and made a lot of mistakes along the way. But I don't count myself among the skilled survivalists by a long shot.

Though I am going to have to work on that chocolate cake from tree bark and grass!

I think all of us have a progression in our mindsets as we go along. I mostly started out with a love of the outdoors and primitive skills. From that I graduated into the homesteader mindset without any survival leanings. I was all about self sufficiency, animal husbandry, gardening and nature.

Well, self sufficiency and prepping go hand in hand and the more I learned about homesteading, the more I realized the importance of being prepared. As you start preparing in earnest, a certain amount of paranoia sets in as you begin to realize all that can go wrong in our modern world. Thus a new survivalist is born.
03-07-2010 11:08 PM
Oni Kadaki I'm making some preparations, namely, a good bug out bag, as well as firearms and martial arts training, but at the end of the day, I don't have a plan. As I don't have the means to store large quantities of resources, I have to hope for the best, but expect to bug out in the worst case scenario.
03-07-2010 11:05 PM
TraderBob I prepare so that I may survive.
03-07-2010 11:03 PM
elgin Interesting that you should split prepping and surviving apart.

I look on prepping as the journey and surviving as the destination.

elgin
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