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11-25-2019 07:11 PM
Sinthor
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Originally Posted by ROCK6 View Post
Mine came in (naked) at 7 pounds 8 ounces. I think they weigh the stock firearm without the monster brake. As much as I abhor that monstrosity brake, it works as advertised. My son's 90lb girlfriend couldn't tell the difference between a 5.56 AR and the POF 308; she actually like shooting the POF more as it was louder. That muzzle brake works well to tame recoil, more than a I expected...it's just as ugly as sin.



It's lighter than the M1A Bush which has a 1x Aimpoint verse the 1-4x Leupold Patrol (and QD mount). Weight matters to me, even more so when you want to add a good LPVO and QD mount (often an extra 1.5-2 pounds). Getting a .308 rifle in the 5.5-6 pound range would be ideal for me; however, the POF is doing well and the direct impingent version is about a half-pound lighter. Heavy rifles are for old-school Neanderthals

Actually, weight can really be mitigated through balance. I think that's a factor that often gets overlooked and some platforms do it better than others. The HK (and clone) 91 always felt heavier than the FAL or M1A, when they were all pretty close to the same weight, but that was probably because the HK91 had the collapsible stock and while heavier than the regular stock, just didn't balance well for me. While I've grown to appreciate the shorter 16" and 18" barrels, both the full size or the traditional FAL and M1A just seem to balance very well. Add a quality patrol sling, and the weight becomes far more tolerable when humping it several miles over rough terrain...but I still want a lighter rifle!

ROCK6
Nice right up. I agree, the POF muzzle breaks are really good. Whenever I'm shooting my .308 and even my 5.56, people come over wondering what the heck I'm shooting because it is QUITE LOUD. But...my wife like's shooting the .308 just like a regular 5.56 AR because the difference in recoil is negligible. Well, actually, the 5.56 POF with the muzzle break is even lighter than your average AR by a good bit. It just SOUNDS like a .308!
11-25-2019 06:49 PM
ROCK6
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Originally Posted by Sinthor View Post
Bingo! I second this one. These guns are AMAZING. Truly the size of an AR-15 and, well at least with the ammo and a full magazine, just a BIT heavier. VERY accurate as well. I am really impressed with POF products these days from the accuracy and build quality standpoint.

The Revolution is listed at 7.3lbs.
Mine came in (naked) at 7 pounds 8 ounces. I think they weigh the stock firearm without the monster brake. As much as I abhor that monstrosity brake, it works as advertised. My son's 90lb girlfriend couldn't tell the difference between a 5.56 AR and the POF 308; she actually like shooting the POF more as it was louder. That muzzle brake works well to tame recoil, more than a I expected...it's just as ugly as sin.



It's lighter than the M1A Bush which has a 1x Aimpoint verse the 1-4x Leupold Patrol (and QD mount). Weight matters to me, even more so when you want to add a good LPVO and QD mount (often an extra 1.5-2 pounds). Getting a .308 rifle in the 5.5-6 pound range would be ideal for me; however, the POF is doing well and the direct impingent version is about a half-pound lighter. Heavy rifles are for old-school Neanderthals

Actually, weight can really be mitigated through balance. I think that's a factor that often gets overlooked and some platforms do it better than others. The HK (and clone) 91 always felt heavier than the FAL or M1A, when they were all pretty close to the same weight, but that was probably because the HK91 had the collapsible stock and while heavier than the regular stock, just didn't balance well for me. While I've grown to appreciate the shorter 16" and 18" barrels, both the full size or the traditional FAL and M1A just seem to balance very well. Add a quality patrol sling, and the weight becomes far more tolerable when humping it several miles over rough terrain...but I still want a lighter rifle!

ROCK6
11-24-2019 05:01 PM
Semore Butts I have a Marlin in Remington 35 as well. As I said eailier today on a thread. I put my 308 away and carry the lever action now.
11-22-2019 10:53 PM
Sinthor
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Originally Posted by Plagued707 View Post
POF Revolution.

https://pof-usa.com/firearms/revolution/

.308 WIN 16.5" (1:10) 14.5" M-RAIL 7.3lbs 34"
Bingo! I second this one. These guns are AMAZING. Truly the size of an AR-15 and, well at least with the ammo and a full magazine, just a BIT heavier. VERY accurate as well. I am really impressed with POF products these days from the accuracy and build quality standpoint.

The Revolution is listed at 7.3lbs.
11-22-2019 10:44 PM
HappyinID
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Originally Posted by lastshot308 View Post
S&W M&P-10 - lighter, but, quite a bit longer than the others
That 18" barrel and extra long FS make it a a full "hand" taller.

Buy the SCAR 17 and don't look back.
I replaced the long goofy FS with a standard .30 cal birdcage, that shortened the rifle up. The 18" is noticeably quieter and less blasty than my 16" .308's, and you get a little bump in velocity. It's my hunting .308 AR.

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Originally Posted by lastshot308 View Post
Buy the SCAR 17 and don't look back.
Yup.... If you do, you'll see that after you bought mags, you spent close to triple the money.
11-22-2019 03:00 AM
lastshot308 S&W M&P-10 - lighter, but, quite a bit longer than the others
That 18" barrel and extra long FS make it a a full "hand" taller.

Buy the SCAR 17 and don't look back.
11-21-2019 05:45 PM
Cuteandfuzzybunnies I've consisted a light ar10 build. Maybe 16 inch ( or shorter ) thin barrel. Polymer lower. Minimalist stock. Small prism scope.
11-21-2019 05:09 PM
Hick Industries Your thread title is asking for a light wt semi auto in 308 win. I will assume light = 7.5 lbs max with sling, ammo, and scope.

Thats pretty diffiicult except for commercial hunting guns like the Browning BAR (6lbs 10 oz) https://www.browning.com/products/fi...yon-speed.html

Other light hunting rifles include the Win 94 big bore (6lbs 8 oz), the Remington M7 (6 lbs 8 oz) and the Ruger GSR (6 lbs 4 oz).
11-20-2019 10:32 PM
jvtater Benelli R1

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11-20-2019 06:37 PM
Gsp Scar17 is my vote for semi-auto
Bolt action would be the something Kimber Montana, Christensen, Barrett
11-02-2019 08:08 PM
fragout
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Originally Posted by Spirewalk View Post
Century's C308 (CETME) weighs 8-9 lbs depending on the furniture you have on it. Ignore everyone who gripes about pre-2017 model. Century's come a long way with it and mine is incredibly reliable and accurate.
Always liked the G3 type sights. ( 2 of my M14s have a very similar front sight in the SEI gas lock front sight )

Inside of 80 yards.....any G3 type with irons will get it done , provided the shooter does thier part. ( Consistent hits inside a pie plate = dead deer or elk with any given load of 308 ammo minus blanks, provided that the end user knows his target's anatomy at any angle presented)Rear sight is adequate enough for that distance and then some.

Personal preference here, but I never cared much for G3 ergonomics / manual of arms, and they feel off balanced in my case.

If I went hunting with a CETME, and was looking to shave weight, then I would run irons only and use a couple of these instead of 20rd mags. ...........

https://www.keepshooting.com/cetme-5...-magazine.html

On a side note: I handled a Ruger American today. This version was a " ranch" model chambered in 7.62x39mm. ( I have a few 1022s that weigh more than this little rifle.). No irons for this stick, but a Leupold VX freedom 1.5x4x20mm scope with rings should be around 8-9 ounces.
More important.......Less felt recoil vs them featherweight 308 sticks everyone harps over, and a well placed 7.62x39mm MFS 125gr JSP at 18 cents per round will put elk in the dirt inside of 80 yards if the shooter places that pill where he/ she supposed to.
Threaded muzzle too boot, uses Mini 30 mags, and not all that expensive. More important.......it was extremely compact and well balanced , and would make it a fine hunter in closer quarters.

11B
11-02-2019 04:13 PM
7.5x55 Swiss Browning BAR would be my suggestion, the models with poly furniture and detatchable box mags are lightweight
11-02-2019 02:54 PM
The Old Coach Somehow I can't fathom an "8-9 pound" rifle as being thought of as "light weight". Maybe Paul Bunyan would think so?
11-02-2019 09:59 AM
Spirewalk Century's C308 (CETME) weighs 8-9 lbs depending on the furniture you have on it. Ignore everyone who gripes about pre-2017 model. Century's come a long way with it and mine is incredibly reliable and accurate.
10-24-2019 06:29 PM
fragout
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Originally Posted by northslope View Post
Currently I hunt elk with a few .308 bolt action rifles, a 30-06 bolt or my DPMS AP4 .308.

I want something smaller and/or lighter than my DMPS. I find myself not carrying it as much because of the weight and how cumbersome it is.

I need to find an AR-10 that is closer to 7 pounds than 8 pounds. (ie: like the DPMS lightweight carbine at 7.25)

OR

I am very interested in a bullpup design. (like the K&M Bullpup) They are around 8 pounds I think but most of the weight is near the rear and the are very short maneuverable rifles so the weight issue is less of...well.. an issue.

My shots are generally less than 80 yards so precision accuracy isn't my main concern. I will scope this rifle with a 2-7 lightweight scope.
Thus, what do you recommend? Specific models please. For an AR, I want to stay close to $1,000. For a bullpup I realize I will have to go higher. Pros and Cons? Will the bullpup be too loud for unprotected ears (I don't wear ear protection while hunting)
A pound of difference is gonna make you or break you? In my experience hunting year around on foot, in the mountains, etc...... A 8.5 lbs rifle has 0 impact long term vs a 7.5 lbs rifle.

In addition, there are plenty of other ways to shave off ounces / lbs in equipment and ammo. ( 4570 compared to 308 is border line ridiculous in terms of weight per loaded rounds for example)

A few more examples:

1. One thing you could do to shave weight is to do without an optic and use iron sights. No reason why you can't hunt elk inside of 80 yards using iron sights.

2. Use 3 or 5 round magazines to save weight vs 10 or 20 round mags.

Pics below:
First pic : About 35 yards with one 168gr TTSX.
2nd pic : 166 yards with one 165gr SGK.
3td pic: The rifle used to take both elk in pics 1 and 2 with it's iron sights. Have used it most exclusively as a hunter since it was built in 2003. ( This includes several hunting trips into very remote wilderness and lasting more than a week in duration. 8.3 lbs with empty mag. Add another 1.5 lbs via a topped off 20rd M14 mag.

Note: Bullets exited both elk in pics . ( Broadside to the bull and quartering away via the cow.)

Note: The real work begins after your elk is down.

11B
10-24-2019 03:29 PM
hatchet jack
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Originally Posted by The Old Coach View Post
If shots are always under 100 yards, why the .308? A Marlin 336 in .35 Remington would be my pick.
Careful there. You are using too much logic. Love my Marlin 35 Remington. What a thumper with my handloads.
10-24-2019 07:01 AM
John_Auberry I believe the mp10 is one of the lightest. Laser accuracy also.
10-24-2019 06:29 AM
The Old Coach
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Originally Posted by Jlrhiner View Post
Gotta watch those Winchester 100's. There was a recall on them to fix a design (The firing pin passes through the trunion rod and is a weak point) flaw and not all of them were done.

Also a beast to take down and clean.
I had a 100 in .243. It was no lightweight. And there was some flaw that would cause them to double. And magazines were $40 at gun shows. I found a greater fool and traded it off.

If shots are always under 100 yards, why the .308? A Marlin 336 in .35 Remington would be my pick.
10-24-2019 06:06 AM
ROCK6
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Originally Posted by Plagued707 View Post
POF Revolution.

https://pof-usa.com/firearms/revolution/

.308 WIN 16.5" (1:10) 14.5" M-RAIL 7.3lbs 34"

I have the POF Revolution, piston rifle. I love it and it was the lightest I could find at the time. It's not quite 7.3 pounds, mine was about closer to 7.5lbs. Their new Revolution DI is listed as 6.8 pounds (but I suspect it's closer to 7.0 pounds)...price isn't near the OP's target area though.

I actually think if ranges are less than a 100 yards and you really want an auto-loader in .308, a braced-pistol isn't a bad option if legal where you hunt. Both size and weight would be significantly reduced without sacrificing any accuracy and not enough ballistically to affect a shot on an elk.

If you just want a lighter rifle, consider a lever gun or as NW GUY mentioned, build a lightweight bolt gun.

I have hunted with my MIA Bush Rifle and while it works well, it's more an experience like patrolling than hunting and the weight becomes a factor after about 5-6 hours of moving on foot. Lightweight isn't the best for a bench gun, but man, they are definitely worth a little extra recoil if you plan to carry it on foot for long distances and up/down mountains!

ROCK6
10-23-2019 04:47 PM
ajole Meanwhile I built a heavy barreled upper in 6.5 CM to put on my DPMS lower and made that sucker feel like a WW2 rifle....or an M1A.

But it's not for packing through the forest.
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