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10-21-2019 09:56 AM
RedTail American troops leaving Syrian city controlled by Kurds pelted with potatoes, tomatoes

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Scenes broadcast by the Kurdish ANHA news agency show potatoes, tomatoes and other rubbish raining down on the hoods and windows of vehicles moving through Qamishli.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/americ...e-out-of-syria

Our "friends" the Kurds...
10-18-2019 10:47 PM
The Old Coach Thanks, Colt. That's a site worth a bookmark.
10-18-2019 09:14 PM
Colt
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Originally Posted by The Old Coach View Post
Say there, Colt: Got any maps of the situation?
https://syria.liveuamap.com/

And the last real war Turkey fought was the Turkish War of Independence. They won due to weak and war-weary major Allied nations post-WW1 not being willing to fight directly and insisting on using proxies. They fell short of regaining the rest of the empire though. After WW1 they lost a lot of territory to the Greeks (Greek populated areas of Western Anatolia), Italians (SW Anatolia mostly populated by an Armenian enclave), Armenians (Armenian populated NE Anatolia), French (Syrian populated southern Anatolia), and British (occupied the straits just like Gibralter and Kurdish SE Anatolia). That left the Turks with North and Central Anatolia that was populated by Turks.

The Turks invaded and occupied to their current borders, and then purged and genocided the Greeks, Armenians, and Assyrians living in Anatolia. They tried to do the same to the Kurds but were unsuccessful. The Kurdish part of it has continued from then right until today.
10-18-2019 08:18 PM
puttster Old Coach: Erdogan is not my idea of a good man but it is plain ole fake news to put words in his mouth to make him seem worse.

Here is the original statement, October 30, 2014, by a blogger in UprootedPalestinians:

"Newly elected Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoganís grand design to recreate the Ottoman caliphate with the help of the Sunni jihadist army ISIS could be derailed if he canít get parliament to transfer to him the powers he had when he was prime minister, reports Joseph Farahís G2 Bulletin."

And now here is what you posted, claiming it to be a direct quote by Erdogan:

"In late October 2014 Mr. Erdoğan stated it was his 'grand design to recreate the Ottoman caliphate with the help of the Sunni jihadist army.'"

See the difference? The former is an opinion, the latter is pure fake news. Why would you do that? Please have some respect for history.
10-18-2019 08:05 PM
SCPigpen
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Originally Posted by ralfy View Post
Troop movements? The U.S. provided billions in military support plus chemical weapons to Iraq to fight against Iran (where a revolution deposed a U.S. puppet that terrorized the populace with his secret police). Later, the weapons were used to gas the Kurds, for which the U.S. did nothing.

I also recall Turkey attacking Kurds years later, and the U.S. and even NATO not reacting as well.

Finally, only the naive mainstream will continue insisting that their favorite politician will make things right. Survivalists know otherwise.
Didnt see the part that we provided the chemical weapons.
10-18-2019 07:48 PM
ralfy
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Originally Posted by SCPigpen View Post
meh, i guess that might qualify as "support". giving iraq troop locations of iranian units knowing there might be chance of them using chemical weapons seems kinda like support. However it is a stretch to compare that to leaving the kurds after providing them so much support fighting isis and whoever else they didnt like.

too bad things seem to be calming down thanks to the administrations great diplomacy, now youll have to find something else to cry about.


https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-...019/index.html
Troop movements? The U.S. provided billions in military support plus chemical weapons to Iraq to fight against Iran (where a revolution deposed a U.S. puppet that terrorized the populace with his secret police). Later, the weapons were used to gas the Kurds, for which the U.S. did nothing.

I also recall Turkey attacking Kurds years later, and the U.S. and even NATO not reacting as well.

Finally, only the naive mainstream will continue insisting that their favorite politician will make things right. Survivalists know otherwise.
10-18-2019 03:27 PM
The Old Coach
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Originally Posted by puttster View Post
I'm not a subscriber but I do not believe the W. Post attributed such a quote to Erdogan.
Just admit you are making it up.
Yeah, I made it all up. Went back in my modified deLorean time machine and created all those websites and convinced Fox, WaPo, and The American Spectator to run all those posts five years ago. Would have done more but I had to come back to have my flux capacitor rebuilt.
10-18-2019 02:28 PM
PeterEnergy
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Originally Posted by FoxtrotVictor1 View Post
The only thing which disturbs me is we shouldn't get in the habit of pulling away from so-called allies.
That puts us in a pickle when our so-called allies fight each other, like in this case.
10-18-2019 02:12 PM
puttster
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Originally Posted by The Old Coach View Post
The story made it to your pet, the WaPo, although they try to laugh it off.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...tician-tweets/
And Fox.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/turk...real-caliphate
I'm not a subscriber but I do not believe the W. Post attributed such a quote to Erdogan.
Just admit you are making it up.
10-18-2019 12:54 PM
The Old Coach The story made it to your pet, the WaPo, although they try to laugh it off.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...tician-tweets/

And Fox.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/turk...real-caliphate
10-18-2019 12:36 PM
puttster
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Originally Posted by The Old Coach View Post
Here's your answer Putt:

In late October 2014 Mr. Erdoğan stated it was his "grand design to recreate the Ottoman caliphate with the help of the Sunni jihadist army."
LOL, give us a break! That is so obviously fake news. Such an incredible statement by Erdogan would be on the front page of The Economist, the Times, the Post.. every real paper in the world.

But it wasn't. The source of those words is in a October 30 2014 blog by Michaellee2009 in "UprootedPalestianians," but it is the author's own opinion. It is then repeated verbatim as if Erdogan actually said it himself, by persons with untruthful agendas including, apparently, you.
https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpre...-help-of-isis/
10-18-2019 08:27 AM
MeTarzan Just a reminder... If that barren, desert didn't have OIL beneath it, we (U.S. or Russia or any country) would just let the ME savage each other like they were born to do.
10-18-2019 08:08 AM
The Old Coach When was the last time the Turks fought a real war? They got their glasses handed to them in WW1, which is why there is no more Ottoman Empire. They sat out WW2. All I can think of is......well, I can't think of anything. Cyprus, maybe? And this ongoing brushfire with the Kurds, which has been 99% suppression of guerillas, not a stand-up fight.

Say there, Colt: Got any maps of the situation?

My favorite author of FUSA novels, Kurt Schlichter, has this take on the Kurds:

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurt...elite-n2554816

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And then there’s the Kurdish monolith issue – all Kurds are not created equal. There are different Kurd factions and different Kurd groups, and some Kurds are communists. In fact, we’ve designated the very Kurds Turkey says it’s going after (the PKK) as terrorists based on their actual terrorism. Certainly, at the start of the story you probably couldn’t have expected our reporters and our politicians to tell Kurd X from Kurd Y without a program (in a better world, though, we’d expect them to zip it until they could), but when we’re a week-plus into what is allegedly the greatest atrocity ever was (because they think they can pin it on Trump) and they are still pretending that all Kurds are sweet n’ cuddly, they are lying to you.
10-18-2019 08:03 AM
FoxtrotVictor1 The only thing which disturbs me is we shouldn't get in the habit of pulling away from so-called allies. However, I'll concede that I don't have first hand knowledge of what may have been discussed between the Kurds and U.S. before we pulled out.

The news can be interesting at times. Take for example the actual number of U.S. troops deployed in the region.
10-18-2019 06:52 AM
The Old Coach
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Originally Posted by puttster View Post
Please, cite the source for these loud noises.
Here's your answer Putt:

Enter "Erdogan + Caliphate" in DuckDuckGo, and take your pick. Page after page of hits. Even Huffpo has a story on it.

Top of the list: https://intpolicydigest.org/2017/06/...med-caliphate/

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Mr. Erdogan belongs to Naqshbandi Tariqah, a major Sunni spiritual order of Sufism whose history traces back to the Prophet Muhammed, the origin of the caliphate and the Levantine. In late October 2014 Mr. Erdoğan stated it was his "grand design to recreate the Ottoman caliphate with the help of the Sunni jihadist army."
YOU could have done that, but we know it would have fried your meme.
10-18-2019 04:29 AM
gavrilo princip Mattis joked that he earned his spurs on the battlefield, while Trump earned his in the doctor's office. Mulvaney is about to get axed because he admitted that Trump withheld military aid in exchange for dirt on Biden.
Secretary of Defense: Donald Trump Jr.
Secretary of State: Eric Trump
Vice President: Ivlanko Trump
10-18-2019 04:04 AM
gavrilo princip Ya gotta admit that it was a slick New York move for Trump to crow about how "we" were defeating ISIS, and as soon as the Kurds had mopped up, "we" flipped them the bird and said "ya f'ed up, ya trusted us." Bet Putin was laughing his butt off. When Trump sent Pence and Pompador to Turkey, bet they were wondering if they were about to get thrown under the bus. Looking at the picture of Pence sitting with that psycho who's running Turkey, Pence looks like he'd scream and run if a mouse farted. The purpose of the photo op was to let the Kurds know that the US had thrown them to the dogs for good. Just a matter of time before Trump runs out of bodies and starts sending his kids on diplomatic errands. He can send Eric and DJ to entice Erdogan with a great timeshare offer. Maybe he'll send Yael to sell jewelry to Erdogan's wives.
Trump's letter to Erdogan will go down in history as the greatest diplomatic document ever produced.
The whole episode is like reading about medieval history.
You couldn't pay me a million dollars not to vote for Trump. He's my guy if he wants to be Pres for the next twenty years.
10-17-2019 08:49 PM
Colt The Turks have encircled Ras Al Ein (spelled 100 different ways) and are beginning a siege. The Syrians and Kurds have managed to counter-attack the Turkish thrusts and are currently driving them back. The Turks tried large encirclements, breaking through to the M4 in multiple places and then running down the M4 highway and cutting the Kurds into half a dozen pockets. The Turks were unable to complete them when Syrian troops rushed up and had meeting engagements with them on the M4 highway in a few different places.

From what I can gather it seems this whole agreement is just the US kissing Turkish ass in exchange for evacuating the encircled Kurdish troops in Ras Al Ein. What the Turks are getting out of this is that they're about to get driven back over the border and fight a Stalingrad like battle for Ras Al Ein. They're losing territory. They just want a 'pause' so that they can reinforce their positions and free up the troops besieging Ras Al Ein.

The whole Turkish battle plan is in shambles. They have a few long columns protruding into Syria on the major roads between Turkey and the M4. They're going to get cut off and their columns wiped out. They need to broaden those into an actual front line or they're doomed, and that's what they're going to use this 'pause' to accomplish. The Turks also expected to win this battle with Jihadi militias backed by Turkish heavy weapons. Now that the Syrian heavy troops are coming to meet them, I suspect they'll be reinforcing with more Turkish regular troops.

What the Kurds get out of it is not losing a bunch of encircled troops and being able to get them out, rearmed, and sent back into the fight, and they buy more time for more Syrian troops to reach the front and reinforce them.
10-17-2019 08:35 PM
SCPigpen
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Originally Posted by ralfy View Post

meh, i guess that might qualify as "support". giving iraq troop locations of iranian units knowing there might be chance of them using chemical weapons seems kinda like support. However it is a stretch to compare that to leaving the kurds after providing them so much support fighting isis and whoever else they didnt like.

too bad things seem to be calming down thanks to the administrations great diplomacy, now youll have to find something else to cry about.


https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-...019/index.html
10-17-2019 08:03 PM
ralfy
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Originally Posted by SCPigpen View Post
please provide your proof that we supported them
I gave some here:

https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...8#post19830548
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