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10-21-2019 09:56 AM | ||
RedTail |
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10-18-2019 10:47 PM | ||
The Old Coach | Thanks, Colt. That's a site worth a bookmark. | |
10-18-2019 09:14 PM | ||
Colt |
https://syria.liveuamap.com/ And the last real war Turkey fought was the Turkish War of Independence. They won due to weak and war-weary major Allied nations post-WW1 not being willing to fight directly and insisting on using proxies. They fell short of regaining the rest of the empire though. After WW1 they lost a lot of territory to the Greeks (Greek populated areas of Western Anatolia), Italians (SW Anatolia mostly populated by an Armenian enclave), Armenians (Armenian populated NE Anatolia), French (Syrian populated southern Anatolia), and British (occupied the straits just like Gibralter and Kurdish SE Anatolia). That left the Turks with North and Central Anatolia that was populated by Turks. The Turks invaded and occupied to their current borders, and then purged and genocided the Greeks, Armenians, and Assyrians living in Anatolia. They tried to do the same to the Kurds but were unsuccessful. The Kurdish part of it has continued from then right until today. |
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10-18-2019 08:18 PM | ||
puttster |
Old Coach: Erdogan is not my idea of a good man but it is plain ole fake news to put words in his mouth to make him seem worse. Here is the original statement, October 30, 2014, by a blogger in UprootedPalestinians: "Newly elected Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s grand design to recreate the Ottoman caliphate with the help of the Sunni jihadist army ISIS could be derailed if he can’t get parliament to transfer to him the powers he had when he was prime minister, reports Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin." And now here is what you posted, claiming it to be a direct quote by Erdogan: "In late October 2014 Mr. Erdoğan stated it was his 'grand design to recreate the Ottoman caliphate with the help of the Sunni jihadist army.'" See the difference? The former is an opinion, the latter is pure fake news. Why would you do that? Please have some respect for history. |
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10-18-2019 08:05 PM | ||
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10-18-2019 07:48 PM | ||
ralfy |
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I also recall Turkey attacking Kurds years later, and the U.S. and even NATO not reacting as well. Finally, only the naive mainstream will continue insisting that their favorite politician will make things right. Survivalists know otherwise. |
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10-18-2019 03:27 PM | ||
The Old Coach |
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10-18-2019 02:28 PM | ||
PeterEnergy | That puts us in a pickle when our so-called allies fight each other, like in this case. | |
10-18-2019 02:12 PM | ||
puttster |
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Just admit you are making it up. |
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10-18-2019 12:54 PM | ||
The Old Coach |
The story made it to your pet, the WaPo, although they try to laugh it off. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...tician-tweets/ And Fox. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/turk...real-caliphate |
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10-18-2019 12:36 PM | ||
puttster |
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But it wasn't. The source of those words is in a October 30 2014 blog by Michaellee2009 in "UprootedPalestianians," but it is the author's own opinion. It is then repeated verbatim as if Erdogan actually said it himself, by persons with untruthful agendas including, apparently, you. https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpre...-help-of-isis/ |
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10-18-2019 08:27 AM | ||
MeTarzan | Just a reminder... If that barren, desert didn't have OIL beneath it, we (U.S. or Russia or any country) would just let the ME savage each other like they were born to do. | |
10-18-2019 08:08 AM | ||
The Old Coach |
When was the last time the Turks fought a real war? They got their glasses handed to them in WW1, which is why there is no more Ottoman Empire. They sat out WW2. All I can think of is......well, I can't think of anything. Cyprus, maybe? And this ongoing brushfire with the Kurds, which has been 99% suppression of guerillas, not a stand-up fight. Say there, Colt: Got any maps of the situation? My favorite author of FUSA novels, Kurt Schlichter, has this take on the Kurds: https://townhall.com/columnists/kurt...elite-n2554816 Quote:
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10-18-2019 08:03 AM | ||
FoxtrotVictor1 |
The only thing which disturbs me is we shouldn't get in the habit of pulling away from so-called allies. However, I'll concede that I don't have first hand knowledge of what may have been discussed between the Kurds and U.S. before we pulled out. The news can be interesting at times. Take for example the actual number of U.S. troops deployed in the region. |
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10-18-2019 06:52 AM | ||
The Old Coach |
Here's your answer Putt: Enter "Erdogan + Caliphate" in DuckDuckGo, and take your pick. Page after page of hits. Even Huffpo has a story on it. Top of the list: https://intpolicydigest.org/2017/06/...med-caliphate/ Quote:
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10-18-2019 04:29 AM | ||
gavrilo princip |
Mattis joked that he earned his spurs on the battlefield, while Trump earned his in the doctor's office. Mulvaney is about to get axed because he admitted that Trump withheld military aid in exchange for dirt on Biden. Secretary of Defense: Donald Trump Jr. Secretary of State: Eric Trump Vice President: Ivlanko Trump |
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10-18-2019 04:04 AM | ||
gavrilo princip |
Ya gotta admit that it was a slick New York move for Trump to crow about how "we" were defeating ISIS, and as soon as the Kurds had mopped up, "we" flipped them the bird and said "ya f'ed up, ya trusted us." Bet Putin was laughing his butt off. When Trump sent Pence and Pompador to Turkey, bet they were wondering if they were about to get thrown under the bus. Looking at the picture of Pence sitting with that psycho who's running Turkey, Pence looks like he'd scream and run if a mouse farted. The purpose of the photo op was to let the Kurds know that the US had thrown them to the dogs for good. Just a matter of time before Trump runs out of bodies and starts sending his kids on diplomatic errands. He can send Eric and DJ to entice Erdogan with a great timeshare offer. Maybe he'll send Yael to sell jewelry to Erdogan's wives. Trump's letter to Erdogan will go down in history as the greatest diplomatic document ever produced. The whole episode is like reading about medieval history. You couldn't pay me a million dollars not to vote for Trump. He's my guy if he wants to be Pres for the next twenty years. |
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10-17-2019 08:49 PM | ||
Colt |
The Turks have encircled Ras Al Ein (spelled 100 different ways) and are beginning a siege. The Syrians and Kurds have managed to counter-attack the Turkish thrusts and are currently driving them back. The Turks tried large encirclements, breaking through to the M4 in multiple places and then running down the M4 highway and cutting the Kurds into half a dozen pockets. The Turks were unable to complete them when Syrian troops rushed up and had meeting engagements with them on the M4 highway in a few different places. From what I can gather it seems this whole agreement is just the US kissing Turkish ass in exchange for evacuating the encircled Kurdish troops in Ras Al Ein. What the Turks are getting out of this is that they're about to get driven back over the border and fight a Stalingrad like battle for Ras Al Ein. They're losing territory. They just want a 'pause' so that they can reinforce their positions and free up the troops besieging Ras Al Ein. The whole Turkish battle plan is in shambles. They have a few long columns protruding into Syria on the major roads between Turkey and the M4. They're going to get cut off and their columns wiped out. They need to broaden those into an actual front line or they're doomed, and that's what they're going to use this 'pause' to accomplish. The Turks also expected to win this battle with Jihadi militias backed by Turkish heavy weapons. Now that the Syrian heavy troops are coming to meet them, I suspect they'll be reinforcing with more Turkish regular troops. What the Kurds get out of it is not losing a bunch of encircled troops and being able to get them out, rearmed, and sent back into the fight, and they buy more time for more Syrian troops to reach the front and reinforce them. |
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10-17-2019 08:35 PM | ||
SCPigpen |
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meh, i guess that might qualify as "support". giving iraq troop locations of iranian units knowing there might be chance of them using chemical weapons seems kinda like support. However it is a stretch to compare that to leaving the kurds after providing them so much support fighting isis and whoever else they didnt like. too bad things seem to be calming down thanks to the administrations great diplomacy, now youll have to find something else to cry about. https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-...019/index.html |
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10-17-2019 08:03 PM | ||
ralfy |
I gave some here: https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...8#post19830548 |
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