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03-31-2020 09:23 AM
NW GUY
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Originally Posted by Offrink View Post
What is your recipe for a 1,200 FPS 200 gn gdhp? Inquiring minds want to know.
SOME DAY I will have to dig out my loading logs. I haven't done any of it in ages since I no longer compete and probably won't live long enough to burn through my existing reloaded ammo stock as it is. I do remember it was all done on new WW brass with CCI mag pistol primer. BUt I would be guessing as to the load itself. I do know even a peripheral hit on a bowling pin would rip it off the table.
03-30-2020 10:17 PM
Hick Industries
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Originally Posted by NW GUY View Post
MY ONLY connection to the 10mm

RIGHT AFTER Colt came out with the Delta Elite, I was at a competition shoot and Colt was one of the shoot sponsors. So, I am wearing my Gold Cup and one of the Colt guys spots it and says to me " You try the Delta in 10mm and you'll give up the .45"
"Why?"
"Because it is a better load with more energy and velocity..etc.."

I looked at him and said.. "For serious work I carry the Speer 200gr HP moving out the barrel at 1200fps. I don't think I am giving up anything to the 10 and my bullet is bigger in diameter. "
He looked at me, looked at my GC, and said "Never mind."
Sounds like you should recheck your load data. Your load sounds like it produces a chamber pressure above 23k, which is 45 super territory.
This magnum powered 45 Super used thicker walled brass (originally cut down 308 win cases) and a fully suported barrel.

That said, I was never much impressed by the Delta Elite and other 10mm pistols based on the Colt 1911 design.
Too many broken guns.
03-30-2020 07:53 PM
Offrink
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Originally Posted by NW GUY View Post
MY ONLY connection to the 10mm

RIGHT AFTER Colt came out with the Delta Elite, I was at a competition shoot and Colt was one of the shoot sponsors. So, I am wearing my Gold Cup and one of the Colt guys spots it and says to me " You try the Delta in 10mm and you'll give up the .45"
"Why?"
"Because it is a better load with more energy and velocity..etc.."

I looked at him and said.. "For serious work I carry the Speer 200gr HP moving out the barrel at 1200fps. I don't think I am giving up anything to the 10 and my bullet is bigger in diameter. "
He looked at me, looked at my GC, and said "Never mind."
What is your recipe for a 1,200 FPS 200 gn gdhp? Inquiring minds want to know.
03-29-2020 10:46 PM
NW GUY MY ONLY connection to the 10mm

RIGHT AFTER Colt came out with the Delta Elite, I was at a competition shoot and Colt was one of the shoot sponsors. So, I am wearing my Gold Cup and one of the Colt guys spots it and says to me " You try the Delta in 10mm and you'll give up the .45"
"Why?"
"Because it is a better load with more energy and velocity..etc.."

I looked at him and said.. "For serious work I carry the Speer 200gr HP moving out the barrel at 1200fps. I don't think I am giving up anything to the 10 and my bullet is bigger in diameter. "
He looked at me, looked at my GC, and said "Never mind."
03-29-2020 06:59 PM
Offrink
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Originally Posted by drobs View Post
Bought a EAA Witness steel frame 10mm - 20 years ago.
Plan was to reload for it. The gun was heavy and the ammo expensive.
I sold it off before ever reloading - 10 years later.

I could see owning a 10mm in Alaska. Really have no use for one here in Missouri. I carry a 9mm everywhere and have a ton of 9mm ammo.

Also my 357 mag revolvers do everything the 10mm can do.
Power/penetration they are similar. The difference is I can carry 15+1 with a quick 15 reload.
03-29-2020 12:49 PM
drobs Bought a EAA Witness steel frame 10mm - 20 years ago.
Plan was to reload for it. The gun was heavy and the ammo expensive.
I sold it off before ever reloading - 10 years later.

I could see owning a 10mm in Alaska. Really have no use for one here in Missouri. I carry a 9mm everywhere and have a ton of 9mm ammo.

Also my 357 mag revolvers do everything the 10mm can do.
03-29-2020 09:45 AM
Offrink
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Originally Posted by Roy Texas View Post
The Springfield story surprises me given that most reputable gun manufacturers know that shooters are a close group who chat a lot and manufacturers cannot deal with bad PR.

I've had two issues with guns that I've had. One was, what I'm guessing, a burr on the feed ramp on my AR-10 from RRA. It was gouging the bullet itself when loading. Sent it in, they sent me a new gun no questions asked. The second, was issues with my Ruger SR556. I was shooting reloads and it didn't like them (although two other AR's at the range were eating the stuff up with no problem. Sent that gun in and they more or less said, "don't use reloads" but sent me another set of the Troy battle sights and another soft care. Both cases were outstanding customer service.

I'd really push back on Springfield. Let them know you intend to share your story on a couple of popular firearm forums if they don't address this at their cost and see what they say. Otherwise, I wouldn't give them a penny more business. Factory ammo is manufactured to very specific tolerances and I find it damn near impossible the load was over-pressurized. That's a huge potential liability to ammo makers so they are very careful about making sure their product is spot on.

Just hearing your story now will keep me away from them as I was considering a hellcat as a CCW.
I let Springfield know how unhappy I was with their decision. Their response was non at all. I have them a full week to respond. Now I will let every person I know, every gun show I go to, every forum I visit, every range I go to that Springfield dropped the ball with their customer service. They are nothing like what I got out of Rugerís customer service.
03-24-2020 10:55 AM
ROCK6 Well, I know Iím going to make a change in the future for one of my travel guns. I was only supposed to be up here in VA until February, but now it looks my move back to GA is going to be the end of April and possibly pushed further due to impacts on the DoD from the Coronavirus. Anyways, I only brought two smaller CCW handguns, and both in 9mm. I also have an AR pistol and small J-Frame. I have enough ammo even though Iím just renting a room.

I was kicking myself for not at least bringing a larger handgun, at least my Glock 19. However, I may do some additions on my Glock 23 and add an extra .357 Sig barrel and pick up a .22LR conversion kit. That would at least give me .22LR, 9mm, .40S&W, and Sig .357. While not always ideal, I could likely find one of those other non-9mm calibers in a time like this.

Having other options is always good in a situation like this and it's paid off for in the past as well when 9mm and .45 were scarce and plenty of .40S&W and .357 Sig on the shelves.

The only impact right now is no training, but work conditions have kind of limited that right now anywaysÖpretty sad when I have no worries about ammo and more about TP!

ROCK6
03-23-2020 01:41 PM
NW GUY NOT EVERYBODY....
Likes,... or even casually glances at the 9mm
unless my 5yr old grandson needs something to shoot.
03-22-2020 10:52 PM
Offrink
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Originally Posted by DG23 View Post
It will matter if you get another crappy frame and it breaks as well.

If I was in your shoes I would have for sure saved my brass (the brass from the ammo that was being fired when the gun broke) and I would be taking them to court and making the matter a really BIG pain in their butt.

The spent brass is all the evidence you need that overpressure was NOT the issue that caused the problem.
If this frame breaks as well I will get it fixed and trade it in.

I would have kept the brass if I knew there was a problem. I didnít see the crack until I was cleaning the weapon and the cleaner soaked into the crack making it clear. Being at the range and not reloading for 10mm and not knowing it was a problem I didnít. Tossed the box when done.
03-22-2020 06:50 PM
DG23
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Originally Posted by ajole View Post
I have an older Springfield XD subcompact, and a first gen 15-22. Solid and reliable.

Listening to the reports of recalls, bad service and reported issues, I canít think of a good reason to buy any of their newer products.
Similar here. Have an older Springfield 1911 (20+ years old) that I really love but no freaking way that I would buy anything from them currently.
03-22-2020 06:37 PM
DG23
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Originally Posted by Offrink View Post
They already refused to provide warranty work so why would it matter?
It will matter if you get another crappy frame and it breaks as well.

If I was in your shoes I would have for sure saved my brass (the brass from the ammo that was being fired when the gun broke) and I would be taking them to court and making the matter a really BIG pain in their butt.

The spent brass is all the evidence you need that overpressure was NOT the issue that caused the problem.
03-22-2020 02:09 PM
ajole I have an older Springfield XD subcompact, and a first gen 15-22. Solid and reliable.

Listening to the reports of recalls, bad service and reported issues, I canít think of a good reason to buy any of their newer products.
03-22-2020 12:57 PM
Roy Texas The Springfield story surprises me given that most reputable gun manufacturers know that shooters are a close group who chat a lot and manufacturers cannot deal with bad PR.

I've had two issues with guns that I've had. One was, what I'm guessing, a burr on the feed ramp on my AR-10 from RRA. It was gouging the bullet itself when loading. Sent it in, they sent me a new gun no questions asked. The second, was issues with my Ruger SR556. I was shooting reloads and it didn't like them (although two other AR's at the range were eating the stuff up with no problem. Sent that gun in and they more or less said, "don't use reloads" but sent me another set of the Troy battle sights and another soft care. Both cases were outstanding customer service.

I'd really push back on Springfield. Let them know you intend to share your story on a couple of popular firearm forums if they don't address this at their cost and see what they say. Otherwise, I wouldn't give them a penny more business. Factory ammo is manufactured to very specific tolerances and I find it damn near impossible the load was over-pressurized. That's a huge potential liability to ammo makers so they are very careful about making sure their product is spot on.

Just hearing your story now will keep me away from them as I was considering a hellcat as a CCW.
03-22-2020 12:21 PM
Hound Dog [/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by Offrink View Post
Springfield stated it was an over pressurized round and it needed a new frame and extractor. $77 total. Told me to go after hornady to get them to pay for it. I asked Springfield how I was going to prove it was their ammo that was the issue and they couldnít give an answer. Just a run around. I have 3 xdmís and a xds and they are all good guns. I just need to roll my own 10mm and I will have the confidence to use it for anything.
Hmmm. This says a lot about thier customer service.

We were using some cheap russian .380 ammo one time. My wife had a squib load and did not realize it until she told me something was wrong after the next round. Sure was wrong, the barrel burst and blew the whole gun apart. Only one little nick on her thumb, thankfully.

That was a Ruger LCP. I never thought about it but the guy at my LGS said to call Ruger. I did. I told them just what happened. They said, mail, it in abd we will take a look at it and asked to send in a box top from the ammo. I got an email from them later asking what gun shop I would like the replacement sent to since it was beyond repair and they sent a new gun. Paperwork just said overpressure round, replacement. I thought that was pretty impressive. Just as good as a Hi Point warranty...
03-22-2020 12:01 PM
ajole
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Originally Posted by T-Rex View Post
Don't own one, never fired one, probably won't go out and buy one. I have plenty of cartridges to fit what arms I have, sell outs don't bother me.
Thatís the key. Whatever you have, if you depend on running to the store to get some ammo in an emergency....you havenít been prepping.
03-22-2020 11:52 AM
T-Rex Don't own one, never fired one, probably won't go out and buy one. I have plenty of cartridges to fit what arms I have, sell outs don't bother me.
03-21-2020 09:16 PM
Offrink
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Originally Posted by DG23 View Post
They couldn't give you an answer because that ammo (likely) did not cause your problems.

Unless you are shooting full power Underwood 10mm or something of that sort most store bought 10mm ammo is loaded on the weak side of things and it STILL broke your gun...

Not confidence inspiring in my opinion.

You shooting reloads will most definitely cause them to refuse to warranty any future problems with that firearm.
They already refused to provide warranty work so why would it matter?
03-21-2020 10:34 AM
DG23
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Originally Posted by Offrink View Post
Springfield stated it was an over pressurized round and it needed a new frame and extractor. $77 total. Told me to go after hornady to get them to pay for it. I asked Springfield how I was going to prove it was their ammo that was the issue and they couldnít give an answer. Just a run around. I have 3 xdmís and a xds and they are all good guns. I just need to roll my own 10mm and I will have the confidence to use it for anything.
They couldn't give you an answer because that ammo (likely) did not cause your problems.

Unless you are shooting full power Underwood 10mm or something of that sort most store bought 10mm ammo is loaded on the weak side of things and it STILL broke your gun...

Not confidence inspiring in my opinion.

You shooting reloads will most definitely cause them to refuse to warranty any future problems with that firearm.
03-21-2020 10:21 AM
Offrink
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Originally Posted by DG23 View Post
50 rounds killed it?

Don't think I could ever trust a firearm that crapped the bed that fast with factory ammo...


As far as this thread is concerned - I carry a 9mm Beretta when I want something that holds a good number of rounds otherwise I will take a 1911 in 45ACP any day of the week over it.

If it ever gets to the zombie apocalypse point I am carrying my 460 Rowland 1911.
Springfield stated it was an over pressurized round and it needed a new frame and extractor. $77 total. Told me to go after hornady to get them to pay for it. I asked Springfield how I was going to prove it was their ammo that was the issue and they couldnít give an answer. Just a run around. I have 3 xdmís and a xds and they are all good guns. I just need to roll my own 10mm and I will have the confidence to use it for anything.
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