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03-15-2020 04:19 PM
Keyzer Soze
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Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
I have no problem with icons or kissing icons
It is your made-up denomination
I can respect that

I think it to be foolish at a minimum
But again, I will point out how uncharitable the ortho members are to other denominations
All denominations are miguided without exception

If the ortho members want respect, then give respect
Give respect, get respect
No sir. The restaurant manager who intentionally contaminates food before it is served to a paying customer is unworthy of any level of respect. Unless he repents and turns from his wickedness, I would not seek respect from him either.
03-15-2020 04:11 PM
Keyzer Soze
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Originally Posted by ActionJackson View Post
If you saw God in the face of a golden calf ... would you bow?

Regardless of your answer ... can you see how a Christian might perceive your actions if they saw you bowing to an image or a statue? Even if YOU believed you were bowing to God can you see how easy it would be for others to think you're bowing to an idol?

Paul warns us about giving the "appearance of evil."

1 Thessalonians 5:22, "Abstain from all appearance of evil."
No sir. A Christian would understand completely, without explanation. It is the Protestant who would be in need authentic Christian catechesis, which I offered in my OP. Feel free to read it again.
03-12-2020 09:46 PM
Watchingtheweasels
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Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
The first Church at Jerusalem had zero icons
How do you know that?
03-12-2020 08:08 AM
cat_1978
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Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
Well then, you-all are in the bottom half of the top 10 in the United states
I like and admire the Orthodox Church

I just respond to posts that make it out to be something that it is not
It bears zero resemblance to the Original Church as established by the Apostles
No denomination bears any resemblance to the Original Church
The Original Church had ZERO icons
Zero pageantry
I have no problem with either

I like all Biblical denominations equally
I dislike all Biblical denominations equally
But what really sets me off is puffed-up false denominational arrogance
It is that simple



The opinion of one Jack counts as 1 opinion against the Holy Spirit in the 260-300 million Orthodox plus all the generations of the Orthodox since Jesus until now that gives us the certitude of correctitude. But it is entertaining that you put a fight against the Orthodox Church. Maybe where Roman Empire, Muslim Empire, Communist Empire and others have lost, you will win Jack, annulling all those martyrs and saints. However it is more like an ant keeping its hands up when the stone mountain falls on it. For a while you think those hands will actually count for something. But in the end is just a squashed ant.

As you can see the Orthodox although late in America is among the rising large religious institutions here. Being that it is also the Historical Church, only the Catholics can really discuss equally with the Orthodox, for many reasons among which are theological, sacramental and historical. The 40000 Protestant Churches, and people like you with no affiliation what so ever (so alone) are not even on the radar.
03-11-2020 06:39 PM
Trogshak
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Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
You show me
I am from Missouri
A bunch of my ancestral tribe is buried right there in the Little Dixie area, so the same may be said of me.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
Give me a single verse that contradicts what I have stated
You cannot
I don't need to. You spoke very generally to the Original Church ...
It bears zero resemblance to the Original Church as established by the Apostles
No denomination bears any resemblance to the Original Church
The Original Church had ZERO icons
Zero pageantry
... not to the Church as described in Acts. Anyway, there is no rational basis for precluding the use of icons or liturgical pageantry in the early Church at Jerusalem based on a very short, written account of 30-35 pages which doesn't address the issue.
03-11-2020 06:10 PM
Jack Swilling You show me
I am from Missouri
Give me a single verse that contradicts what I have stated
You cannot
03-11-2020 05:54 PM
Trogshak
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Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
I took the time to read Acts and study the history of the Church at Jerusalem
Where does the Acts of the Apostles indicate that there were "ZERO" icons and pageantry at the Church of Jerusalem?
03-11-2020 05:43 PM
Jack Swilling I took the time to read Acts and study the history of the Church at Jerusalem
03-11-2020 05:38 PM
Trogshak
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
It bears zero resemblance to the Original Church as established by the Apostles
No denomination bears any resemblance to the Original Church
The Original Church had ZERO icons
Zero pageantry
How can you say this with certainty?
03-11-2020 05:16 PM
Jack Swilling Well then, you-all are in the bottom half of the top 10 in the United states
I like and admire the Orthodox Church

I just respond to posts that make it out to be something that it is not
It bears zero resemblance to the Original Church as established by the Apostles
No denomination bears any resemblance to the Original Church
The Original Church had ZERO icons
Zero pageantry
I have no problem with either

I like all Biblical denominations equally
I dislike all Biblical denominations equally
But what really sets me off is puffed-up false denominational arrogance
It is that simple
03-11-2020 05:06 PM
Batko10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
One thing I can count on, like the sun rising in the east and setting in the west, is that you are and will be wrong catagorically

Washington National Cathedral, the Episcopal cathedral in Washington, D.C.
According to a 2012 review by the National Council of Churches, the five largest denominations are:[26]

The Catholic Church, 68,202,492 members
The Southern Baptist Convention, 16,136,044 members
The United Methodist Church, 7,679,850 members
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 6,157,238 members
The Church of God in Christ, 5,499,875 members

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi..._United_States


How many Orthodox are there in the world?
260 million Orthodox
Key takeaways about Orthodox Christians. Orthodoxy is the third-largest branch of Christianity, after Catholicism and Protestantism. Today, there are approximately 260 million Orthodox Christians in the world, according to a new Pew Research Center report.Nov 8, 2017


Earth/Population
7.53 billion (2017)

You are less than the .03%

Keep that in mind before you get puffed-up with some ortho-wood
The one thing we can count on is Jack Swilling's hate for the Orthodox Church to lead him into making incorrect statements.

Protestantism is NOT one, unified branch of Christianity. Thanks to sola scriptura it is a hodge-podge of thousands of varied beliefs and traditions. Some Protestants have female clergy, homosexual and transsexual clergy. Others conduct their services wielding live snakes or rolling around the floor in epileptic like fits.

Objectively we are NOT talking about one Christian Church when discussing Protestantism. The largest Protestant sects worldwide are the World Communion of Reformed Churches - 100 million; Anglican Church - 85 million; World Methodist Council - 80 million; Lutheran Church - 75 million; Baptist World Alliance - 50 million. Even within these Churches there is not complete internal unity and numerous sects with their own practices.

The Eastern Orthodox Church has about 300 million members. Even taking your low ball figure of 260 million it is by far the second largest Christian Church in the world next to the Roman Catholic Church.

BTW, CAT was incorrect on one point. There are, probably, 5 million Eastern Orthodox believers in North America, NOT 3 million.
03-11-2020 03:28 PM
Jack Swilling One thing I can count on, like the sun rising in the east and setting in the west, is that you are and will be wrong catagorically

Christianity
Main articles: Christianity in the United States, Protestantism in the United States, and Roman Catholicism in the United States
The most popular religion in the U.S. is Christianity, comprising the majority of the population (73.7% of adults in 2016).[1] According to the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies newsletter published March 2017, based on data from 2010, Christians were the largest religious population in all 3,143 counties in the country.[25] Roughly 48.9% of Americans are Protestants, 23.0% are Catholics, 1.8% are Mormons (the name commonly used to refer to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints).[1] Christianity was introduced during the period of European colonization.


Washington National Cathedral, the Episcopal cathedral in Washington, D.C.
According to a 2012 review by the National Council of Churches, the five largest denominations are:[26]

The Catholic Church, 68,202,492 members
The Southern Baptist Convention, 16,136,044 members
The United Methodist Church, 7,679,850 members
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 6,157,238 members
The Church of God in Christ, 5,499,875 members

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi..._United_States


How many Orthodox are there in the world?
260 million Orthodox
Key takeaways about Orthodox Christians. Orthodoxy is the third-largest branch of Christianity, after Catholicism and Protestantism. Today, there are approximately 260 million Orthodox Christians in the world, according to a new Pew Research Center report.Nov 8, 2017


Earth/Population
7.53 billion (2017)

You are less than the .03%

Keep that in mind before you get puffed-up with some ortho-wood
03-11-2020 02:38 PM
cat_1978
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Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
You do the small Orthodox community no favors Cat
You seem devoid of self-awareness
Jack, aren't you a non-denominational? So you are an army of one.
Let us 300 millions to be content with our numbers and spare us your puny attempt to minimize our numbers.



There are about 3 million Orthodox Christians in North America. Besides Catholic Church, what other Protestant Churches reach 3 million in America? Probably not many, Two, three? So even in America there are a lot of Orthodox and they are quite a major Church here.
03-11-2020 02:28 PM
Jack Swilling You do the small Orthodox community no favors Cat
You seem devoid of self-awareness
03-11-2020 01:48 PM
cat_1978
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Originally Posted by OhioMan View Post
Sure, please offer scriptures that mention your "THE EUCHARIST" before I deny it.
Gladly:

“Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me."


In fact read the whole chapter 6 Gospel of John. You will recognize yourself at the Verse 6:66.


"Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ?"


One is from Jesus the other from the Apostles of the Gentiles. How many more you need?
03-11-2020 01:15 PM
cat_1978 First of all weak... very weak answer repeating yourself (babbling?) on the same choice of Bible quotes that are as misplaced as they are misunderstood by you. In other words peasant preacher type drivel. Sometimes I forget you are a farmer or something.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OhioMan View Post
Repent, turn to Christ and allow him to change your heart. You've been deceived by man-made religion and told to trust upon a church group. The Orthodox Church has zero power to offer the Holy Spirit, Save, Forgive sin or to help you to become Born-Again. Christ Alone has those powers.
Your Protestant drivel have never swayed a true Orthodox Believer to renounced his faith. The Church is Orthodox since before your heresy was born and it will be here Orthodox long after your heresy is another page in the History of the Church.

You want me to renounce the Plan of Salvation as it was instituted by Jesus Christ and promoted by the Apostles? Fat chance!!!

You and yours can remain what you are, deceived people" feeling" the Scriptures like blind men in the dark, but never finding the correct answers.

I will remain what I am, a humble Christian trying to save your soul (from time to time). You would like me to leave this area and not represent the Orthodox opinion here. Gladly, but first tell me what other Orthodox you know here you would prefer to give his Orthodox view (and why). Until then I am here with free speech banner trumpeting the Truth as it was given to the Church of Jesus Christ, before Protestant drivel was concocted, before blind heretics were there to "teach" what it means to be a Christian just because they opened a Bible.

Go with your friends in the Messianic Group with which you seem to be most comfortable with. They will Teach you "ALL" there is to know about your "Christianity".

But before I finish I will tell you this: You are disrespecting the oldest Church in Christendom and one with almost 300 million believers. Consider this when you talk against it. Those Anathemas in the OP are talking about you and your heresies. You can't deal with this? Then you have two choices:

1. Fight the entire Orthodox Church and its traditions/beliefs.
2. Acknowledge you are just a humble Protestant (one that is non-denominational at this point) and leave it at that.
03-11-2020 12:51 PM
OhioMan
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=cat_1978;20130242] I put Bible quotes
Rarely, mostly your opinions and unbiblical teachings

Quote:
History and quotes from the Saints.
Which isn't relevant to anyone

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Nothing will bring you to the Church because you are blind.
Jesus, Paul, Peter or any NT writer ever told people to come to the Church.

Rather this is what they said (This is bible Cat, not Orthodox remix)

(Matthew 11:28) Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
NO ORTHODOX MENTIONED OR NEEDED


(Acts 4:12) Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.
NO ORTHODOX CHURCH MENTIONED OR NEEDED

(Gal 2:20) It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
NO ORTHODOXMENTIONED OR NEEDED


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Love is EXACTLY what I have been doing here.
By nasty name-calling?? You did READ what the signs of the Holy Spirit were...right?

Quote:
Love of my fellow man enough to expose them to the harsh truth.
EXACTLY, 100% total opposite of what JESUS preached.

Cat: Expose them to the harsh truth
Jesus: Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. (Matt 11;30) my yoke is easy and my burden is light' (Matthew 11:30

Cat=My Harsh Truth
Jesus=My yoke is easy, my burden is light


Who is preaching the truth, you or Jesus?


Quote:
The truth is what bothers you not me or even the Orthodox Church. The truth of the Holy Eucharist, of the Holy Orders so clearly exposed in the Bible. That is what you HATE. not even my approach. Proof?
Except you have never, ever proved it. Just name called and told me I didn't get it.


Quote:
In the thread about Saint Paul the OP says among others
And you reply:
Cat, you may be lots of things but you are NO APOSTLE Paul!


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refusing the Holy Eucharist that the whole Church is preaching about it
.

Sure, please offer scriptures that mention your "THE EUCHARIST" before I deny it.

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You are a hypocrite Ohioman and a false preacher.
Back to your gospel of name-calling I see. I forgive you!


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I proved you here as such, and you hate me for it.
I think you live in a fantasy world...just WOW! You haven't proved anything.


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Love can be hated, and I showed love to this body of heretics in this forum, the Love that any Christian should show to everybody: Truth beyond anything.
Sorry Cat, but you've shown nothing but hatred, vile, ignorance, mean-spirited attacks on others. Not too many on this board would disagree.

Repent, turn to Christ and allow him to change your heart. You've been deceived by man-made religion and told to trust upon a church group. The Orthodox Church has zero power to offer the Holy Spirit, Save, Forgive sin or to help you to become Born-Again. Christ Alone has those powers.
03-11-2020 11:29 AM
cat_1978
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhioMan View Post
The Holy Spirit isn't self-exalting!

Contrary to your self-congratulations of the Holy Spirit, let's review the opposite of that or God's word:

(Gal 5:22-23) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, Temperance

-Cat never shows love to anyone, just the opposite
-Cat is never about peace always fighting others
-Cat is never gentle
-Cat never shows goodness
-Cat often brags of himself and church membership

God's very word Vs. Orthodoxy and Cat's opinions are two different things.




Again, you preach the opposite of God's word. Truth isn't the Orthodox Church, it's found here:

God: Your word is truth” (John 17:17). Moreover, the Word of God is eternal truth “which lives and abides forever” (1 Peter 1:23).

"God of truth" (Deuteronomy 32:4; Psalm 31:5; Isaiah 65:16). When Jesus said of Himself, “I am…the truth” (John 14:6)



Then by all means, speak up. BUT NOT IN YOUR OPINIONS, rather find integrity found here:

(1 Peter 4:11) “If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God.
GIVE SCRIPTURES TO BACK UP WHAT YOU SPEAK



Sure... just speak the oracles of God (God's word) about the tomes and deeds that are speaking to you. Make biblical sense and less of your personal nonsense.
All that was required of me I did in multiple threads. I put Bible quotes galore and History and quotes from the Saints. Nothing will bring you to the Church because you are blind. Love is EXACTLY what I have been doing here. Love of my fellow man enough to expose them to the harsh truth. The truth is what bothers you not me or even the Orthodox Church. The truth of the Holy Eucharist, of the Holy Orders so clearly exposed in the Bible. That is what you HATE. not even my approach. Proof?

In the thread about Saint Paul the OP says among others:

https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...d.php?t=940066

Quote:
Originally Posted by zooeyhll View Post
What is great about the man, was that he was no "plaster saint". He could be tactless, extremely stubborn, imperious, and dangerously outspoken.
And you reply:

Quote:
Originally Posted by OhioMan View Post
I'm a big fan of the Apostle Paul!
So you are not bothered by the "form" of my speech but by the content. And the content is the one I took from Saint Apostle Paul in the Thread about the Sacraments as you well remember, but you chose to go against him (his approach) and all that he preached, refusing the Holy Eucharist that the whole Church is preaching about it.

St. Paul: 1 Corinthians 10:16 (actually read all chapters 10-11):

"Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ?"


https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...ght=Sacraments


You are a hypocrite Ohioman and a false preacher.
I proved you here as such, and you hate me for it. So be it. Love can be hated, and I showed love to this body of heretics in this forum, the Love that any Christian should show to everybody: Truth beyond anything.
03-11-2020 11:11 AM
OhioMan
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=cat_1978;20129674]The Holy Spirit (The Spirit of Truth) IS flowing when I speak the Truth.
The Holy Spirit isn't self-exalting!

Contrary to your self-congratulations of the Holy Spirit, let's review the opposite of that or God's word:

(Gal 5:22-23) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, Temperance

-Cat never shows love to anyone, just the opposite
-Cat is never about peace always fighting others
-Cat is never gentle
-Cat never shows goodness
-Cat often brags of himself and church membership

God's very word Vs. Orthodoxy and Cat's opinions are two different things.


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And the Truth is that the Orthodox Church is the Church of Jesus Christ and since the beginning until now it contains the WHOLE Truth
Again, you preach the opposite of God's word. Truth isn't the Orthodox Church, it's found here:

God: Your word is truth” (John 17:17). Moreover, the Word of God is eternal truth “which lives and abides forever” (1 Peter 1:23).

"God of truth" (Deuteronomy 32:4; Psalm 31:5; Isaiah 65:16). When Jesus said of Himself, “I am…the truth” (John 14:6)

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If I do not speak against your heresies God will judge me for keeping the Truth muzzled.
Then by all means, speak up. BUT NOT IN YOUR OPINIONS, rather find integrity found here:

(1 Peter 4:11) “If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God.
GIVE SCRIPTURES TO BACK UP WHAT YOU SPEAK

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All the Saints and Martyrs of the Church of which I have literally tens of tomes of their lives and deeds are speaking with me.
Sure... just speak the oracles of God (God's word) about the tomes and deeds that are speaking to you. Make biblical sense and less of your personal nonsense.
03-11-2020 09:58 AM
Trogshak
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Originally Posted by ActionJackson View Post
Go back a few months and Bat would give Cat a run for the money. Troghak is right up there with them. It seems to be a prerequisite within the tradition-based organizations or clubs to hone your "nasty" skills. Commandment #1: "Thou shalt be the nastiest SOB in the church pew!"
You poor man. Here you go:





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