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07-01-2019 05:50 AM
Batko10
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Originally Posted by esheldon View Post
Ahhh, Saint John Chrysostom, the original anti-Semite...
Nope, not an anti-Semite, but a defender of Christianity against the Jews who were a powerful anti-Christian force in the Roman Empire in the 4th century and their Judaizer allies inside the Church.
06-30-2019 01:33 PM
ActionJackson Some may consider me an "anti-Semite." That's okay. I'm so used being mislabeled by the Marixsts and Leftists that I wouldn't feel right if I wasn't taking darts from someone - somewhere.

This is what I AM: I am anti-Antichrist. I am opposed to anyone and everyone who opposes my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Christ, Himself, stood toe to toe with the Pharisees (religious Jews) and called them "children of your father the devil." He also called them "a den of vipers." He also specifically told them that anyone who denies the Son will NOT enter into eternal salvation in Heaven. If THAT isn't "anti-Semitic" speech then nothing is.
06-30-2019 08:12 AM
Jack Swilling It seems that with one exception, that we have all come to an understanding to agree to disagree but not get down in the dirt.
There is folly in trying to chage minds with large fonts, not me, and invective, which I and others have been guilty of. It seems there is a movement to more productive and respectful dialogue.
I have been convicted of my overly strident arguments.
I really have no beef with any Bible based denomination that has core beliefs that lead to Salvation.
That is the whole point.
Other particular denominational attributes no longer concern me
Let's all get to Heaven, and in the interim act in respect and in love as Jesus would have us do.
I, and others, were kicking the pricks/goads
06-29-2019 03:41 PM
esheldon
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Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
No, same deal the return of Jesus

It is all in Matthew 24:36 et seq

36No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark.……39And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man.
The SUBJECT of verse 36 is verse 35.

His return will be like a thief in the night!

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a rousing cry, with a call from one of the ruling angels, and with God’s shofar; those who died united with the Messiah will be the first to rise; 17 then we who are left still alive will be caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. 18 So encourage each other with these words.

1 Thessalonians 5:But you have no need to have anything written to you, brothers, about the times and dates when this will happen; 2 because you yourselves well know that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people are saying, “Everything is so peaceful and secure,” then destruction will suddenly come upon them, the way labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and there is no way they will escape.

4 But you, brothers, are not in the dark, so that the Day should take you by surprise like a thief; 5 for you are all people who belong to the light, who belong to the day. We don’t belong to the night or to darkness, 6 so let’s not be asleep, like the rest are; on the contrary, let us stay alert and sober.
06-29-2019 03:22 PM
Jack Swilling No, same deal the return of Jesus
If it is refering to Heaven and earth passing away, how would anyone be around to meet Jesus when he returns????? Commom sense is everything. After Jesus returns, the earth will pass away and be remade

It is all in Matthew 24:36 et seq

36No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark.……39And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day on which your Lord will come.…
06-29-2019 03:15 PM
esheldon
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Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
What exactly are you correcting????
You using the "no one knows the day or hour" verse wrong.
Read what I wrote!
06-29-2019 03:14 PM
esheldon
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Originally Posted by Batko10 View Post
Since the language of these forums is English let's use JESUS.

These Judaizers won't quit. Saint John Chrysostom recognized and denounced them 1,600 years ago. Unfortunately, like cockroaches they keep crawling out of their dark holes and trying to change Christianity into a branch of Judaism.
Ahhh, Saint John Chrysostom, the original anti-Semite

While the name Jesus means something personally to many people...the name itself means nothing.

Y'shua "means" Yahweh is Salvation.

Y'shua NEVER said He came in "His own" name, and He certainly NEVER said to call on the name given to Him by man! Here are three witnesses, two of them are Y'shua HIMSELF!

Acts 2:21. And it will be (that) all who call (on) the name of Master YHWH will be saved. (comes from Joel 3:1-5 (2:28-32))

John 5:43. I have come in the name of my Father, and you have not received me. Yet, if another should come in his own name, you will receive him.75
Footnote:
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All forms of science and religion have a “Messiah” and “priesthood.” A “name” carries authority, or “branding” just as a
university awards degrees in its “name”. Honor and recognition by the faculty or “priesthood” extends the use of the “name” to its “disciples.” Y’shua comes in his Father’s Name; mankind struggles to distinguish the Name of YHWH, versus the name of man. Most who practice Judaism or Christianity know that Yahweh is the Personal Name of the Creator of the Universe, yet most prefer to follow religious traditions about His Name. Rabbinical authorities have long established a ban on verbalizing the Name of YHWH, they’ve invented the title “HaShem” to replace YHWH’s Name. Christians say, “the LORD”. In such cases religious traditions come in “their own name” the followers of these two religions have accepted longstanding religious traditions against the Word of YHWH. By usurping authority over Scripture, religion sends followers out “in the name” of their religion.
John 17:11. Henceforth, I will not be in the world, and these are in the world. And I am coming to Your presence. Kadosh (Holy) Father, keep them by your Name,202 the same Name which you have given to me, that they may be one even as We are one. 12. I was with them while I was in the world. I have kept them in your Name;203 those whom you have given to me, I have kept. And not a man of them is lost except for the son of destruction, that the Scriptures might be fulfilled.
Footnotes:
202
A very key passage. Aramaic literally reads that YHWH gave His Name to Y’shua; therefore, he has the Name of his Father within him.

203 Y’shua keeps them in YHWH’s name so when we call upon YHWH in Y’shua’s name, we are calling on YHWH for Salvation. As the Name of YHWH is in Mashiyach (Messiah), so are we to have the name of Mashiyach in us, which means that as followers of Y’shua we are to walk according to his righteousness, observe Torah and walk in the anointing of the Ruach haKodesh (the Holy Spirit) as Mashiyach demonstrated to us.
06-29-2019 03:13 PM
PeterEnergy
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Originally Posted by Batko10 View Post
These Judaizers won't quit.
To be fair, isn't not quiting a trait of most, if not all religionists?
06-29-2019 03:08 PM
Jack Swilling What exactly are you correcting????
06-29-2019 02:46 PM
esheldon
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Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
Because that is unknowable
We can see the signs, birth pains, but no way to tell a date/time
No one knows the day or the hour
The Bible makes this crystal clear
I don't know HOW MANY times I have to correct someone on the whole "not knowing the day or the hour"!!!!

Verse 36 in Matthew 24 refers to the verse RIGHT BEFORE IT!! Context is EVERYTHING!

35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

36 “But when that day^^^ and hour will come, no one knows — not the angels in heaven, not the Son, only the Father.
06-29-2019 01:50 PM
Batko10
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Originally Posted by Eddie_T View Post
Methinks many on these forums would consider Y'shua to be a Judaizer!
Since the language of these forums is English let's use JESUS.

These Judaizers won't quit. Saint John Chrysostom recognized and denounced them 1,600 years ago. Unfortunately, like cockroaches they keep crawling out of their dark holes and trying to change Christianity into a branch of Judaism.
06-29-2019 11:46 AM
ActionJackson
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Originally Posted by Eddie_T View Post
Methinks many on these forums would consider Y'shua to be a Judaizer!
True ... many do believe Christ to be a judaizer. I personally believe Him to be a Christianizer. The latter offers a much greater chance of eternal salvation.
06-29-2019 11:43 AM
ActionJackson
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Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
There are two primary obstacles to the return of Jesus

1. Rebuilding the Temple. This is up to the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin. The gentiles/Lost Tribes gave Isreal back to them. Either make the Dome of the Rock go away or discover that the temple was located outside of the foot-print of the dome of the rock. And, rebuild the Temple. This will happen sooner or later

2. The Good News must be preached in every tongue. Last I checked there were only a couple few hundred languages to go and mission accomplished. The word is then universally available. This is coming soon.

There is a huge difference between replacement theology and fulfillment of the Law, which required the sacrifice of the perfect man, aka Jesus Christ, in order to redeem all the people who ever lived/live on earth. Once the Law was fulfilled a New and Better Covenant was established on better promises. The law was not done away with, it was fulfilled. So the Sons of God live uder the Freedom of the New Covenant. Be a slave to the law if you want, it is an option, but good luck with that.The Yoke Was Broken.

That the Jews were stiff-necked, just allowed the gentiles to step into the void.
Originally, the gentile converts were to avoid meat with blood, strangled meat, meat sacrificed to idols, and sexual impurity. Nothing more, and even then, Paul said to not eat food sacrificed to idols when it could cause weak Christians and sinner men and women to stumble. No other rules were assigned to gentile converts

I do not get the need for you Judaizers to keep going in circles.

1 Corinthians 10-27 et seq

27If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat anything set before you without raising questions of conscience. 28But if someone tells you, “This food was offered to idols,” then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience— 29the other one’s conscience, I mean, not your own. For why should my freedom be determined by someone else’s conscience?… 30If I partake in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of that for which I give thanks? 31So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all to the glory of God.…
My take:

1) The "temple" is not one built of stone or by the hands of man. Believers in Jesus Christ are the "temple of the Holy Spirit." The Bible doesn't promise a "new Jerusalem" built by man. It promises a New Heaven, a New Earth, and a "New Jerusalem" that descends from Heaven. Revelation 21:2, "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." Modern Christians (and offshoots of Christianity) are totally obsessed and caught up with what's happening in the Christ-denying State of occupied Palestine (modern Israel). They're more interested in what CNN or their favorite spiritual gurus are saying about Israel than what the Bible has to say.


2) We know for a certainty that a mile marker and indicator for the return of Jesus Christ is a period of time when all of mankind (rich & poor & bond & free) will be required to take a mark upon their hand or forehead. This mark will be required to "buy or sell." It will be during the Great Tribulation. Christ won't return until AFTER that Great Tribulation which will be like the "days of Noah."

Matthew 24:29-30, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
06-29-2019 11:38 AM
Jack Swilling Literal
It is unambiguous
06-29-2019 11:34 AM
PeterEnergy
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Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
There are two primary obstacles to the return of Jesus

1. Rebuilding the Temple. This is up to the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin. The gentiles/Lost Tribes gave Isreal back to them. Either make the Dome of the Rock go away or discover that the temple was located outside of the foot-print of the dome of the rock. And, rebuild the Temple. This will happen sooner or later
Do you hold to the idea that this is literal and not metaphorical?
06-29-2019 11:14 AM
Eddie_T Methinks many on these forums would consider Y'shua to be a Judaizer!
06-29-2019 09:08 AM
Basic Human Unit What's the rush?
06-29-2019 12:03 AM
Jack Swilling Because that is unknowable
We can see the signs, birth pains, but no way to tell a date/time
No one knows the day or the hour
The Bible makes this crystal clear
06-28-2019 11:54 PM
esheldon
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Originally Posted by Jack Swilling View Post
There are two primary obstacles to the return of Jesus

1. Rebuilding the Temple. This is up to the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin. The gentiles/Lost Tribes gave Isreal back to them. Either make the Dome of the Rock go away or discover that the temple was located outside of the foot-print of the dome of the rock. And, rebuild the Temple. This will happen sooner or later

2. The Good News must be preached in every tongue. Last I checked there were only a couple few hundred languages to go and mission accomplished. The word is then universally available. This is coming soon.

There is a huge difference between replacement theology and fulfillment of the Law, which required the sacrifice of the perfect man, aka Jesus Christ, in order to redeem all the people who ever lived/live on earth. Once the Law was fulfilled a New and Better Covenant was established on better promises. The law was not done away with, it was fulfilled. So the Sons of God live uder the Freedom of the New Covenant. Be a slave to the law if you want, it is an option, but good luck with that.The Yoke Was Broken.

That the Jews were stiff-necked, just allowed the gentiles to step into the void.
Originally, the gentile converts were to avoid meat with blood, strangled meat, meat sacrificed to idols, and sexual impurity. Nothing more, and even then, Paul said to not eat food sacrificed to idols when it could cause weak Christians and sinner men and women to stumble. No other rules were assigned to gentile converts

I do not get the need for you Judaizers to keep going in circles.

1 Corinthians 10-27 et seq

27If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat anything set before you without raising questions of conscience. 28But if someone tells you, “This food was offered to idols,” then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience— 29the other one’s conscience, I mean, not your own. For why should my freedom be determined by someone else’s conscience?… 30If I partake in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of that for which I give thanks? 31So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all to the glory of God.…
We are not talking about HIS actual return date/time!! Different subject!! Try again!!
Try Matthew 24.
06-28-2019 11:29 PM
Jack Swilling There are two primary obstacles to the return of Jesus

1. Rebuilding the Temple. This is up to the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin. The gentiles/Lost Tribes gave Isreal back to them. Either make the Dome of the Rock go away or discover that the temple was located outside of the foot-print of the dome of the rock. And, rebuild the Temple. This will happen sooner or later

2. The Good News must be preached in every tongue. Last I checked there were only a couple few hundred languages to go and mission accomplished. The word is then universally available. This is coming soon.

There is a huge difference between replacement theology and fulfillment of the Law, which required the sacrifice of the perfect man, aka Jesus Christ, in order to redeem all the people who ever lived/live on earth. Once the Law was fulfilled a New and Better Covenant was established on better promises. The law was not done away with, it was fulfilled. So the Sons of God live uder the Freedom of the New Covenant. Be a slave to the law if you want, it is an option, but good luck with that.The Yoke Was Broken.

That the Jews were stiff-necked, just allowed the gentiles to step into the void.
Originally, the gentile converts were to avoid meat with blood, strangled meat, meat sacrificed to idols, and sexual impurity. Nothing more, and even then, Paul said to not eat food sacrificed to idols when it could cause weak Christians and sinner men and women to stumble. No other rules were assigned to gentile converts

I do not get the need for you Judaizers to keep going in circles.

1 Corinthians 10-27 et seq

27If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat anything set before you without raising questions of conscience. 28But if someone tells you, “This food was offered to idols,” then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience— 29the other one’s conscience, I mean, not your own. For why should my freedom be determined by someone else’s conscience?… 30If I partake in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of that for which I give thanks? 31So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all to the glory of God.…
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