Survivalist Forum - Reply to Topic
Survivalist Forum

Advertise Here

Go Back   Survivalist Forum > > >
Articles Classifieds Donations Gallery Groups Links Store Survival Files


Notices

Advertise Here
Thread: Mtn Wilderness Survival Retreat Experiences with 60 + pics Reply to Thread
Title:
  
Message:
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Survivalist Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Gender
Insurance
Please select your insurance company (Optional)

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Topic Review (Newest First)
01-19-2020 08:29 PM
Mtnman Mike
Quote:
Originally Posted by Watch Ryder View Post
They searched my house on trumped up ammunition charges from the airport search, charges were immediately dropped and of course found nothing. It may even have been wrongful arrest as the .22LR round may/may not have been inert due to it failing to fire back in the USA when I put it in my pocket and forgot about it.

Yet the permission-giver police-chief didn't like me so revoked the shotgun certificate and I had to sell it via a friend. They also stole all my stored shotgun cartridges as well and I received ZERO compensation for it.

I may re-apply for the permission some day in the future though and should succeed in the endeavor God-willing.

I don't know what the next few years hold for America, it seems the insane war on terror will turn inwards where anyone who is a traditional conservative / paleoconservative etc is a hollywood nazi and basically unpersoned. I'll know in a few years when I apply for my visa again.
A few more years when you will even apply for your visa?? I think it is almost five years since you were last in the USA and I also cannot hardly even imagine what the next five or so years are going to be like.

More and more I likely will become a hermit for many reasons. I have lost much, the worst loss is too many people from my parents to quite a few others who have died or just have cut off contact. And I also lost a shotgun the Saiga 12 which was a collectors item for me and the $1,400 it cost is also another big financial loss to add to my other losses. It is possible but not likely that my cousins will return that shotgun that I lent to them but did Not want them to keep it permanently!

Plus losing a great deal more which I won't go into again when I escaped from Calirado. Many flee Californica and go to CO and many other states although they try and do change the state they fled to and make it into another CA such as Calirado now has become.

So far Wyoming is better than anywhere else I have lived but no place is perfect. I also am slowly getting done what I need to get done. It was Not a failure or a mistake when I left my land this past Nov. 29th to move to a small city here in Wyoming. I have had to send many emails etc. and I have been in contact with an attorney in ND where my cousins have been receiving oil money for months now and I should also by June at the latest.

I hope to see you WR someday but who knows for certain? You must also have lost a great deal when you left Montana such as your vehicle and many many other valuable items I won't mention. I hope you did not pay off your one acre of land and hope that will work out.

I will keep your good shed mostly empty since it is way up on the hill a bit far from my other structures. And I will keep it for you to use someday although after another 3 or so years I likely will use it for some kind of storage. I am going to paint the great gate you built WR since the deep snowpack is turning the yellow golden side more mildewy and I need to make much more camouflaged anyway even with natural paint colors, rocks, log poles and much more natural camo.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ballenxj View Post
My best advice to you would be to leave that God forsaken place, where the major news topic is Meghan and Harry, as opposed to the influx of Muslims, Ethiopian's, and *****ian's.. <--- Nige eerians for the stupid curse detector.
Glad you clarified that since it - *****ians's could also be thought to be Christians. And the way much of the USA, the UK and so many more areas are changing, Christians, conservatives etc. will likely also become less liked to put it mildly.

One more time I will ask yet again IF there is Anyone who is reading this and you wish to do something different this next summer of 2020, live in a very unique and very beautiful mountain area for a day, a week or even much longer then just send me a private message or email and let's discuss the possibility of you coming to camp, possibly work with pay and all expenses paid and Live like few get to live in today's over controlled world anymore!
01-19-2020 04:46 PM
Ballenxj
Quote:
Originally Posted by Watch Ryder View Post
They searched my house on trumped up ammunition charges from the airport search, charges were immediately dropped and of course found nothing. It may even have been wrongful arrest as the .22LR round may/may not have been inert due to it failing to fire back in the USA when I put it in my pocket and forgot about it.

Yet the permission-giver police-chief didn't like me so revoked the shotgun certificate and I had to sell it via a friend. They also stole all my stored shotgun cartridges as well and I received ZERO compensation for it.

I may re-apply for the permission some day in the future though and should succeed in the endeavor God-willing.

I don't know what the next few years hold for America, it seems the insane war on terror will turn inwards where anyone who is a traditional conservative / paleoconservative etc is a hollywood nazi and basically unpersoned. I'll know in a few years when I apply for my visa again.
My best advice to you would be to leave that God forsaken place, where the major news topic is Meghan and Harry, as opposed to the influx of Muslims, Ethiopian's, and *****ian's.. <--- Nige eerians for the stupid curse detector.
01-19-2020 01:04 PM
Watch Ryder
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ballenxj View Post
Well, this thread has been in the making for about eleven years now.
I remember Watch Ryder too. Didn't they jam him up while confiscating his shotgun upon returning to the U.K.? Dirty Bastages.
They searched my house on trumped up ammunition charges from the airport search, charges were immediately dropped and of course found nothing. It may even have been wrongful arrest as the .22LR round may/may not have been inert due to it failing to fire back in the USA when I put it in my pocket and forgot about it.

Yet the permission-giver police-chief didn't like me so revoked the shotgun certificate and I had to sell it via a friend. They also stole all my stored shotgun cartridges as well and I received ZERO compensation for it.

I may re-apply for the permission some day in the future though and should succeed in the endeavor God-willing.

I don't know what the next few years hold for America, it seems the insane war on terror will turn inwards where anyone who is a traditional conservative / paleoconservative etc is a hollywood nazi and basically unpersoned. I'll know in a few years when I apply for my visa again.
01-14-2020 02:29 PM
Mtnman Mike
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtnman Mike View Post
Yeah and I am just finally getting started.

Mainly getting started building some sorta expensive buildings. I would have likely had at least a small sorta fancy cabin built by now If I would not have had almost two years ago, the "mishap" surgery amputation etc. all of which that and some other things took a huge chunk of my life savings and inheritance.

I hope to post more pics but not sure I will after the past month or two of harassment even in private messages plus far too much "advice" which is ok but not necessary. I likely will post more pics someday but just don't know when I will.

And about WR and his problems mainly in the UK - England which he calls Prison Island. A foreshadow of things likely to come here in the supposedly Land of the Free. Here is the very interesting thread created by Watch Ryder and his bad experiences plus his being banned and not even allowed to have a Visa for five years. >

https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...d.php?t=256172
I hope that many will at least look at the first post in that link I gave to Watch Ryder's thread telling about his "adventures" on Prison Island - specifically at the Manchester Airport. He goes on throughout that thread telling in detail what happened and in my opinion, is more proof of definitely a Nanny state which is developing more and more into a police state. Isn't it nice that such things can never happen in this "land of the Free"? Yes that is sarcasm. I think there are at least some in power who see what other countries do, such as the UK, and those "powerful almighty" people think that here in the USA should also do that. Pass more and more laws, have cameras etc. on every street corner and whatever else the socialist over controlling countries do.

I am also quoting from WR's Manchester airport thread this which is one of the best quotes ever and helps prove that there are still a Few places left to do whatever one wishes to do, such as practice and Do all kinds of survival. That is what I try to tell about and that is how Free some places, such as on my mtn retreat, can still be. Extremely free to do whatever one wishes to do, as long as it hurts no one.

A quote from that Manchester thread that I only now fully realize what it really means:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Watch Ryder View Post
Ok, this is a non-fiction story about my return from the adventure of a lifetime in the USA to a nightmare at the airport in Prison Island (UK).

To give you the backstory, I'd set out from the UK with bright and buzzy dreams of adventure's and doing things that the nanny-state doesn't allow it's serf's to do.

I'd arrived in the US and, following various trials and tribulation's I'd worked hard enough for a land patron to give me a place I could call home in the mountains.
All was well and for the first time in many moons I was feeling at the top of my game.
So with a spring in my step and a buzz in my heels I returned to Denver International Airport on the 28th August to catch my flight to Britain.

Story of my US adventure here:

https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...d.php?t=242472

Mike, my friend would look after the vehicle I'd bought along with various bits of kit I'd bought or acquired on the mountain.
I didn't know it, but waiting for me, across thousand's of mile's across the Atlantic Ocean, the forces of the 'anti-terror' police faction were waiting....
I remember that WR had created 3 adventure pic threads but seems like only One is left. Such as the link in the above quote no longer works so it must mean that the thread was deleted?

Anyway, it is likely that I will never see Watch Ryder again since I am Not going to fly to England and most likely I will never go outside of the USA. I Might not even go outside of Wyoming ever again except someday to visit my parents grave which is a fair distance from where I am right now. Not sure if WR will even ever be Allowed back into the USA?

I am posting all of this mainly to try to show that people should not be so complacent, proud pleased gratified satisfied content careless slack lax

I have been all of that far too often in the past but no more....
01-12-2020 11:51 PM
Mtnman Mike
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ballenxj View Post
Well, this thread has been in the making for about eleven years now.
I remember Watch Ryder too. Didn't they jam him up while confiscating his shotgun upon returning to the U.K.? Dirty Bastages.
Yeah and I am just finally getting started.

Mainly getting started building some sorta expensive buildings. I would have likely had at least a small sorta fancy cabin built by now If I would not have had almost two years ago, the "mishap" surgery amputation etc. all of which that and some other things took a huge chunk of my life savings and inheritance.

I hope to post more pics but not sure I will after the past month or two of harassment even in private messages plus far too much "advice" which is ok but not necessary. I likely will post more pics someday but just don't know when I will.

And about WR and his problems mainly in the UK - England which he calls Prison Island. A foreshadow of things likely to come here in the supposedly Land of the Free. Here is the very interesting thread created by Watch Ryder and his bad experiences plus his being banned and not even allowed to have a Visa for five years. >

https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...d.php?t=256172
01-12-2020 11:29 PM
Ballenxj Well, this thread has been in the making for about eleven years now.
I remember Watch Ryder too. Didn't they jam him up while confiscating his shotgun upon returning to the U.K.? Dirty Bastages.
01-12-2020 10:46 PM
Mtnman Mike
Quote:
Originally Posted by bunkclimber View Post
nice work getting all the pics together,Mike..awesome job by yourself to achieve all that.
Thanks and do you mean All of the hundreds of pics in this really long wilderness pic thread or the pics I have posted the past couple months? You don't have to answer but just wondering.

And to be fair I did not build or even take All of the pics or build everything completely by myself. WR and cavedweller took some pics and even posted some of the pics. Seems like I built alone at least ninety percent of the time. I could go through and think back to 1999 when I first began having strangers help me. They were not complete strangers since I tried to get to know them through email, private messages and even some phone calls.

The guy who helped me the most over two summers since 2012 was Watch Ryder and I did not have to even pay him anything. He even spent his own money building his small unique shed and the ten foot high gate. I think he spent around $500 on those two structures. I did not ask him to build those but he did of his own free will. He did make youtube videos of his building and he made at least fifty youtube videos on my land which I guess was the way he made some or maybe quite a bit money.

There are a lot of pics and videos I could post and have posted in this long wilderness pic thread. Here is the best one which shows much of what Watch Ryder did, camped, Lived and what he built. This 3 minute video shows the unique shed he built and the ten foot high gate also both of which are still standing even after terrible ten to fifteen foot deep snowpack over the past few years. Hope many will look at this video and it shows quite a bit of what WR did with some help from me. It even quickly shows WR and me putting the red steel beam in place on my newest cabin. I think many of his youtube videos have disappeared but glad this one at least still exists >



I doubt I will ever have another Watch Ryder come up to help me but who knows? I will welcome Almost anyone who does show up. Although this next summer or two I hope to have one or two help me and anyone else brave enough to come up. I will even pay all expenses such as gas, food etc plus some hourly pay IF anyone comes up to help me beginning this next June 2020. Just send me a message or email before June 2020.
01-12-2020 06:22 PM
bunkclimber nice work getting all the pics together,Mike..awesome job by yourself to achieve all that.
01-09-2020 11:54 AM
biathlon Actually, they're Mormon. The adults all have jobs in Sheridan and Buffalo so they are not living off the land as such, they just don't want to pay the property taxes on any improvements to their land. It's not as high as Mikes place either. Just above 8,000 feet.

Yurts are an ancient technology and still used by the Chukchi people in eastern Russia and several nomadic peoples in Mongolia in temperatures that would kill most people. Modern Yurts built with double walls are super efficient.

Tee pees are comfortable too. People have lived through Wyoming winters here for several thousand years in them.
01-08-2020 01:50 PM
Ballenxj
Quote:
Originally Posted by biathlon View Post
I have friends near buffalo on the east side of the Bighorns that live year round in their yurts. -40F? No problem. They are very efficient with their fire wood and only one small stove in the center of their yurts. They also have composting toilets and the entire property is cultivated with several wild edibles. Berries of all sorts, yampas, camas, onions, glacier lilies, sego lilies and a lot of domestic root crops.
Yurts in minus forty degrees? I had no idea. It sounds like your friends live like Native Americans.
Colorado plates in Wyoming? Given the political climate in Colorado, I could understand the emabarrasment.
01-08-2020 01:36 PM
Mtnman Mike
Quote:
Originally Posted by biathlon View Post
We all admire you a lot Mike. Myself mostly because you had the balls to leave Colorado and move up here to Wyoming. Your posts seem to make it clear that you want to stay here year round and especially up at your place in the Sierra Madres. My suggestions were intended to give you some information to assist your adaptation to this state.

I grew up racing on skis Mike. Alpine and cross country. When I was not even a year old my grandfather nailed some leather loops on to his big wood skis(I still have them)in front of his bindings and held my little hands with my boots in those loops.
I have been on skis literally since I began to walk. I honestly believe that at 64 years old and still working outdoors here in Wyoming and skiing(not this year per my surgeon)I am very probably in a very small hand full of the most experienced winter sports enthusiasts on this board. I know cold and snow Mike. I know Wyoming.

I have friends near buffalo on the east side of the Bighorns that live year round in their yurts. -40F? No problem. They are very efficient with their fire wood and only one small stove in the center of their yurts. They also have composting toilets and the entire property is cultivated with several wild edibles. Berries of all sorts, yampas, camas, onions, glacier lilies, sego lilies and a lot of domestic root crops.

They all hunt too. Every year. Elk, deer, moose, antelope, ducks, geese, pheasant, grouse. Other than maybe antelope or pheasant I'm betting you've seen all of the above at your place. With a resident hunting licence you could most likely feed yourself and a few others.

I know that lake near your place is loaded with rainbow and brook trout too.

I guess you'll adapt at your own pace and as you see any need to. Personally? I'd be embarrassed to drive around Wyoming with Colorado plates.
Thanks for all of that. I am mainly responding to try to explain more. First of all, my CO license plates on all of my vehicles including the camper trailer all expired a while back. The camper expired in Nov. 2018 but still the guy pulled it from Calirado from my cousin's farm and I told him the plates were expired but he told me: "I'm not skeered" He might not sound smart but he does have a very successful construction business, mainly building pot - marijuana greenhouses in quite a few places. Btw, I hate most drugs except a very few over the counter pain killers and I also hate alcohol and tobacco. But I believe in the freedom of anyone who wishes to use those kinds of things.

And I am not going to ever get CO license plates but I most likely will get WY plates just not sure exactly when and I should get the plates etc etc. in the county where my land is located.

There are two fishing lakes within 3 miles of my mtn place: Silver Lake and the one I have posted the most pics of = Battle Lake. Too many new cabins etc. being built around Battle Lake with its own private road and locked gate.

And interesting to read about your friends in the Bighorns which is near the MT / WY border for any who might not know. I am sure it is possible but still difficult to believe very many if any Truly live off the land completely and there is likely the payment of property taxes and buying licenses, etc etc etc,
Much colder even in north Wyoming than my mtn place. While my mtn place is not overly warm it is not nearly as cold as most places to the north such as MT, Canada and much of Alaska.
I have kept track and not too many days below zero for a few years now and not sure when it was last 40 below zero on my land. One reason so many beetle killed trees is because there were not enough -10 or more below zero days.

I will not say exactly where I am anymore. Maybe some can guess but they might be wrong as many are wrong about much of what they post about me and what they think I am doing, where I am and what I should or Must do.

I plan to never leave Wyoming except short trips very occasionally. Once on my land permanently then I plan to never leave it. As I posted yesterday the last "hurdle" as one guy put it I need to jump or accomplish is finishing the walls and roof on my long garage.

I also plan to dismantle most of my 4 sheds except the Tuff shed which is small and still looks great. And I have my old ATV and a few other things inside that Tuff shed.

And I will keep the shed in front of the bunker / underground cabin since it is and will be more and more a wood shed.

I don't want to "adapt" to any state; mainly adapt and succeed on my mtn place. I simply want to be let alone with No kind of trouble from anyone especially when I am on my mtn retreat.

As I have posted before I am going to at least try to be off grid than most. Not simply off grid with my solar panels and generators but Off grid and Off society. I should not have to explain much more.

And I like this quote you just posted biathlon: "We all admire you a lot Mike. Myself mostly because you had the blls to leave Colorado and move up here to Wyoming."

I have wanted to move completely to Wyoming since I bought the land in WY the summer of 1987. But I had to keep going back to Calirado for several reasons. Mainly to keep helping my elderly parents since I am an only child. And I had to keep making money so that I could Live on my mtn place the 23 summers.

I do not believe that All admire me a lot or even much at all. I am certain there are some especially on this S-boards who despise me for whatever no good reasons.

I could name names but just look back at the posts posted in this long thread especially over the past month or two. And maybe see what I see which is not good and I have unfriended a couple people since they were very unfriendly to me. And even in private messages which I won't tell about.

I actually want to stop posting anymore and stop posting everywhere on the net. But I am compelled to answer questions and respond. I spent / wasted too much time yesterday also posting too much. So no one be surprised when I finally do stop posting.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ballenxj View Post
Haven't been here in a while, but am glad everybody seems to be doing well.
Happy New Year people!
You too although do any truly believe that this will be a Happy year? I doubt it but all we can do is try to make our own little worlds happy or do as best we can with the little we have.

Again I do wish the best for everyone but I am really truly sick of most of the internet and I do truly believe that in general most people are not truly friendly and would stab someone in the back if needed sometime in the future. I would most likely never stab or shoot or harm anyone Unless attacked someday. But again I hope for the best for everyone even those who misunderstand and likely even despise me but as one more good saying goes: "Hope for the best but Prepare for the worst."
01-08-2020 12:41 PM
Ballenxj Haven't been here in a while, but am glad everybody seems to be doing well.
Happy New Year people!
01-08-2020 12:00 PM
biathlon We all admire you a lot Mike. Myself mostly because you had the balls to leave Colorado and move up here to Wyoming. Your posts seem to make it clear that you want to stay here year round and especially up at your place in the Sierra Madres. My suggestions were intended to give you some information to assist your adaptation to this state.

I grew up racing on skis Mike. Alpine and cross country. When I was not even a year old my grandfather nailed some leather loops on to his big wood skis(I still have them)in front of his bindings and held my little hands with my boots in those loops.
I have been on skis literally since I began to walk. I honestly believe that at 64 years old and still working outdoors here in Wyoming and skiing(not this year per my surgeon)I am very probably in a very small hand full of the most experienced winter sports enthusiasts on this board. I know cold and snow Mike. I know Wyoming.

I have friends near buffalo on the east side of the Bighorns that live year round in their yurts. -40F? No problem. They are very efficient with their fire wood and only one small stove in the center of their yurts. They also have composting toilets and the entire property is cultivated with several wild edibles. Berries of all sorts, yampas, camas, onions, glacier lilies, sego lilies and a lot of domestic root crops.

They all hunt too. Every year. Elk, deer, moose, antelope, ducks, geese, pheasant, grouse. Other than maybe antelope or pheasant I'm betting you've seen all of the above at your place. With a resident hunting licence you could most likely feed yourself and a few others.

I know that lake near your place is loaded with rainbow and brook trout too.

I guess you'll adapt at your own pace and as you see any need to. Personally? I'd be embarrassed to drive around Wyoming with Colorado plates.
01-08-2020 03:30 AM
Mtnman Mike One more thing before I go offline. And as I have written before I am not sure exactly when I will go offline for a week or even months or even possibly for good maybe only checking in once a year. And I very well might stay on my mtn place this February when I go up with some real life friends who have snowmobiles. Will see and I try to not plan too far in advance since things change. I mean I do have future plans even for five or more years but I also realize things can change.

Here are a few more pics below. I did show one or two new pics and I likely will not post any new thread or take hours creating a long pic post or new thread anymore. The photos I did show with the walls in the previous post ^ I hope made it clear what I am building. And I did get a good start in building that long garage. That is what I need a long garage to cover my two pickup trucks and the camper trailer.

So no one needs to post and tell me that I should have done this or that or I Should have or should build a log cabin or an A-frame or a tee pee / tipi or small yurt or whatever. I need a long garage, I have begun to build a long garage and have it half built so far doing it all by myself like usual.

IF I build a new cabin I likely will not spend too much money for various reasons that I will not go into. I have this strong partially built cabin built into my sunny hillside and I plan to make it into a good, snow proof rock and log cabin with a great view of the Snowy Range which is about 30 miles to the east across the river valley. It will also have two large windows for sun and for the great view. It will be also a partial greenhouse.

And all for now although not sure if or when I will post again

My partially built log / rock cabin which has so far two steel beams in the roof >



I never have shown a pic of this small but great A-frame cabin. >



I do have in storage in a shed steel shelving similar to this. I also have a great deal of canned and freeze dried food inside my large F-350 truck plus two dozen boxes of more canned food and two 55 gallon steel drums plus other food. So I have stored away much more than twice as much food as shown in this pic >



This photo was taken by me almost 20 years ago soon after I had built my largest shed. It shows the "new" 55 gallon steel drum stove which I am going to use more and more.
The hanging white bags are some food etc. that I hung from the log pole roof to keep mice etc. out. >



This is the outside of that large shed and I just showed the inside. I am going to eventually dismantle this and one or two more sheds after I clean them out using the stored material inside. Those log poles are 17 feet in height and were not especially easy setting them up completely by myself 20 years ago. I will use the log poles for firewood and for building material as needed. The main reason it is still standing is because of a steel beam in the roof. >



I plan to buy at least one of these from HarborFreight and I do have a small greenhouse stored away right now up there >



In case anyone has somehow missed seeing this pic of my F-350 and my camper trailer
>


Over the next year or two or twenty I hope to take at least some nice and beautiful pics since I know of very few uncrowded beautiful areas as exists within fifty miles of my mtn area >

01-07-2020 05:27 PM
Mtnman Mike
Quote:
Originally Posted by FalconsBravesHawks View Post
Thanks for the reply...not harsh at all...you are good!

I found the thread of the welder guy...he started with a container, but afterwards that is a very small part of the build. https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...d.php?t=804090

The nature things you describe are what most people will never see, and what most would kill to see. I also love solitude and silence...but need some intereaction every once in a while (I have no choice right now...3 kids, wife, dog, 3 cats, turtle, 2 fish)...so I never have silence or solitude, lol.

Seriously though, if you can conquer the main dwelling or underground dwelling static temperature it seems as though you would be mostly there. In your opinion, what is the last "hurdle(s)" to being able to live there full time?
I tried to be a bit harsh when I posted Really and you dare assume etc. But yeah, I am not harsh or unkind. I am likely too nice. Dogs and most wild creatures love me or at least most don't run off. I have had to chase off more than one black bear. And one looked back at me like what did he do? I just wanted the bears to keep afraid of people.

And thanks for the link of that guy who is or has built a "cabin" using scraps etc. Looks like mostly parts or a shipping container. I quickly looked but it would take quite a while to look over it all. I see he has posted pics over many pages. I tend to just post a lot of pics at once and get it over with.
I likely will go back and read and look at that guy's pics and thread. I would have used a shipping container but no way to get It up onto my land. I suppose with enough winches and such. But the nearest shipping container to be bought would likely be in Cheyenne and that is at least 150 miles to the east.

The natural beauty and the huge amount of wildlife is why I stay up there as long as possible. Not nearly as much wildlife in the winter even from mid October until June. Just too much snowpack. I see from the snow survey station which I posted a link to several posts back but I see that there is 61 inches of snowpack now. About average for this time of year.

One more reason I share pics but also I try to invite and hope that some will come up is to experience at least a bit of what I have and do experience every minute I am up there. Mainly when I am outside and mainly when I am not moving and observing. Amazing what all can be seen when one is still and observant.

The underground cabin which is really a cabin made out of at least 100 log poles and 7 tree trunks plus all of the 250 plus eighty pound bags of concrete etc. but it is not my main dwelling. The underground "bunker" which I never called it a bunker until many here on this S-boards called it that but it is mainly for secure storage and a storm shelter. I will make it my main dwelling someday IF there is a bad SHTF with roaming raiders and such. And that is not too likely but never know anymore. Possibly much of what has happened in the past will happen again such as wars, raiders and such only many times worse with so many many many more people.

No way to insulate the underground structure since the great hillside and the 3 feet of dirt, rocks and concrete plus 3 layers of logs for the roof are plenty of insulation.
The front door has a vent which I keep open for more air and there is a vent - stovepipe hole in the back by the back trap door for a chimney effect of air flow thru it all.

I do have an old black winter sleeping bag hanging in front of the front steel door which reduces the cold air. I can seal it up if necessary also.

My main dwelling is the camper trailer. I have posted pics of that but I can again if any wish. I would still be up there IF I had had help to build. I tried but maybe not hard enough to hire some help. It is a remote area in southern Wyoming and too far for most to want to come up to help except for ridiculous high prices. Maybe more later about all of that.

To answer your good question: "what is the last "hurdle(s)" to being able to live there full time?" would take a book to fully answer. But I will try to be concise.

First I will tell about some things that are no longer hurdles which they were a year ago before I did and bought so much this past summer. The first hurdle beginning July 8, 2019 was just getting everything I own up onto my land. I had to hire the work crew of five to do that. They had two large Dodge trucks. One pulling my camper trailer which had 20 boxes and bags of stuff, clothing etc and the other truck pulled a trailer which had my old '79 truck which also has a lot of stuff in the back of the old pickup. The second hurdle was to clean up my long driveway which was covered with stacks of firewood etc etc plus an old garage that I had built. The third hurdle was buying at least a one year supply of food and other supplies which I did do in early October.

I do have plenty of food, even possibly a two year supply but I won't know for certain until I put most of the food on shelves. That food is stored now in boxes, the two pickup trucks and the one 55 gallon steel drum where I have most of the expensive Mountain House stored. No one from insects, mice to any bears can get into the sealed drum. And there is six feet of snowpack over it now. I do have another 55 gallon steel drum sealed since 1999 and I should open that next summer. It has been in my largest shed since September 1999.

Ok and the last "hurdle" would be to finish the walls and roof over the camper trailer. I most likely will finish those walls and the roof by late August. Possibly earlier if and I hope when a guy will come up. He is a member of this S-boards and all I will tell about him. Although he can post about it if he wishes.

Here are some pics of the walls that I have built so far. I had to build most of them with a foot to two feet of snow on the ground and down to 20 degree F. temps which made it more difficult. Sorry I did not get more pics but these should show some of the walls I built from late Sept to mid Nov. 2019 >
This is the main hallway and it will be a long hallway eventually. My Dad's old pickup is to the right. The whole structure once built will be at least 80 feet by 15 feet wide. I did shovel the roof off once when there was two feet of snow on top. >



This is not the best photo but the best with my phone. It was taken after two feet of snow had fallen. This shows part of the wall I had built around my 2006 F-350. I built it mainly for privacy so any driving by on snowmobiles in the winter would not see it. And it keeps the snow from piling up against the sides. >



Here is part of the wall around my camper trailer. Even with all of that snow and the cold I was able to build a wall all the way around it by mid Nov. >



Here is the other main wall and this wall is on one side of the old pickup truck. On the other side of this wall I have the two gas generators which is the furthest I could put those generators and still have them part of this structure. When finished this can be called my long garage. I have the two new generators under tarps etc. now. I also ran them dry and so no gas inside the generators. Maybe more later if I am motivated to post more. Seen here is my newest large woodstove. Very strong cast iron but the 55 gallon drum stove puts out the most heat but also burns the most wood the fastest.




Once the walls and roof are complete I can get the two large woodstoves going. I usually don't start any woodstoves until it snows. I also will build many shelves in the structure that will be over my 1979 Ford pickup. It was my Dad's pickup he bought new back then. I will never sell it and it would be great especially if / when there is ever an EMP attack.

All for now I suppose unless there are more questions. I don't mind questions but any advice should maybe be sent to me thru private messages. The over abundant advice has possibly ruined this thread or put off too many. I suppose some of that is my fault but I simply respond and answer. If I had the power I would delete quite a few posts such as all of that grunf's posts but if nothing else it shows a Bit of what I put up with. I still would like to know If there is anyone else on this S-boards who is or has been attacked in their thread especially for more than ten years.

Again any questions or comments are welcome. In the long run nothing matters but I do hope also if nothing else that this thread has been interesting even if many will or cannot see the real value of what I have posted.

All for now unless there are more questions.
01-07-2020 04:19 PM
FalconsBravesHawks Thanks for the reply...not harsh at all...you are good!

I found the thread of the welder guy...he started with a container, but afterwards that is a very small part of the build. https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...d.php?t=804090

The nature things you describe are what most people will never see, and what most would kill to see. I also love solitude and silence...but need some intereaction every once in a while (I have no choice right now...3 kids, wife, dog, 3 cats, turtle, 2 fish)...so I never have silence or solitude, lol.

Seriously though, if you can conquer the main dwelling or underground dwelling static temperature it seems as though you would be mostly there. In your opinion, what is the last "hurdle(s)" to being able to live there full time?
01-07-2020 03:40 PM
Mtnman Mike
Quote:
Originally Posted by FalconsBravesHawks View Post
I love seeing the pics you have posted, and the fact you are trying to get out there permanently. The biggest thing is to NOT set your goals/bar so high as to be unachievable. 30 degrees inside your cave (main living dwelling) is not survivable long term even if it's "warmer" than the outside temp. You may hate getting advice, but that sounds like it was your main downfall. More insulation, etc may help raise temps inside, but until you figure that out then you will merely be "camping" at your retreat during the start of winter months (a few days to a few weeks). I'm rooting for you!

Perhaps start checking out your local craigslist for the freestuff to see if there is excess materials from others home projects that you could scoop up. Another poster here is building a dwelling almost entirely from reclaimed steel and other materials. Basically he spending almost nothing, just his own labor.

You seem to assume that everyone that gives you advice or critiques you (wanted or unwanted) is being "harsh" or is a "troll", but it appears most are just trying to help out. You can take their advice or not, but coming off as if you know everything or have thought of every angle is pretty naive. Don't get so upset with folks, thick skin is required for today's living especially online. Also, try not to dwell of people who irritated you like Grunf, almost 90 percent of your posts above after he was banned still mention his name. That tells me he REALLY upset you. Like I said earlier, failing this year or not, everytime you fall/fail learn from it, don't set the bar too high and gains will be more obtainable with less failures (builds confidence).
Thanks for all of that. I used to thank every single post for a few years after I created this long pic thread back in Nov. 2009. But this past year or so is just getting too much such as way too much "advice" and I could block and ignore them all but I hate to miss anything even troll posts. The only true troll was grunf who I was not ever going to name again but you did mention it as well as WR . There is stuff that goes on behind the scenes such as in private messages. And I won't say too much but that grunf was the worst troll ever even creating several fake usernames to harass.

I sometimes learn something new but survival wise since I have been a Survivalist since 1982 then I rarely learn anything new especially from those giving me advice. And if I responded like some of my so called friends have then people would think me more arrogant and that I am giving orders.

Sorry if anyone ever thinks that I post arrogantly or like a know-it-all but I really am simply answering, responding and telling what I have experienced and what I have done and what I plan to do.

I have learned much over the years. I learned the most the hard way such as when I lost the two toes. And I have explained about all of that as much as I can so hope no one asks again about that.

I have gotten my underground shelter which many insist on calling a bunker but I have gotten it up to 90 degrees F. I was simply telling that it is usually 30 degrees F. even if it is near zero degrees outside. And I have two woodstoves inside the bunker - underground cabin / storage / storm shelter.

My main sleeping place since July 8th until Nov. 29th was the camper trailer.
I did have some electric heat for it as well as a bit of propane. I don't store or use too much propane. I have 4 chainsaws, 4 generators, two new large ones, an old pickup and a diesel large pickup truck. All run on gasoline except the newer large F-350.
I have a dozen 5 gallon gas cans and I likely will get a gasoline tank someday.

I appreciate your advice since it was not harsh like so many and you seem to want to help. BUT Again, I cannot follow your advice for more reasons than I can tell about. Mainly I have Huge amounts of wood, 2 more steel beams, rebar and a Great deal more stuff, building supplies etc etc etc. I have bought some stuff on Facebook marketplace but likely no more of that. For my own reasons I hate to buy anything online.

And I have no need to buy much at all anymore except for more stored food and a few other supplies which I will next summer again.

And what your wrote is much of what I have done using whatever I have available. Some might wonder why I repeat myself but I do to answer fully. You wrote: " Another poster here is building a dwelling almost entirely from reclaimed steel and other materials. Basically he spending almost nothing, just his own labor."

I would like to see the thread of that guy who seems to do what I have done. Again I have built at least 4 sheds using mainly logs, log poles and sometimes using some plywood and 2x4's. I have obtained much lumber from some neighbors with cabins and from a landfill. Enough about that I hope.

I could post harshly but many it seems cannot realize it unless it is directed at them. SO Really Falconbravehawks you dare ask and assume much. Hope this wont bother you since you like so many, have such thick skins? Again assuming I don't. I simply respond and Likely I wont respond too much but will see. Also many assume too much Such as that I failed. I set the bar high and just Try to reach it.

I went back to a city but I did stay at least a month longer than I ever in 23 summers up there. Many might but I do not consider it a failure. I also should go to a dentist and other appointments but I can only do that in a city.
I could go on and on. I do appreciate all that you wrote and happy that you like my pics. I likely will post new pics but likely not until I take more new pics next February.
I simply respond to as much as I can and I also try to answer usually with pics showing Proof of what I do and have done since 1987.

The following is what I posted a few minutes ago on someone else's new thread. The following should help explain Why I love the wild and Why I work, DO and live my mtn area, retreat etc. >>>

Quiet time - constantly but mainly on my remote mtn retreat. Sometimes in the wilderness even a million plus acre national forest that surrounds my remote WY land.

I have had more experiences especially since 1987 than I can remember, in the wild and on my remote land where usually no people except on weekends.
For the past twenty years I rarely read a paper book in a city. I have read many dozens of books on my land since no distractions as there are in a city even in a quiet motel room with tv, the mostly no good net etc.

I have seen a large herd of elk wander down my private dirt road while a couple deer were watching the elk and I was in my blind / tent watching them all from above on my hillside.

I have also seen every Rocky Mountain animal except a grizz and wolverine and I would just as soon not meet them up close.

I was digging in a remote forest a few hundred feet above my land and I turned around to see a fawn sniffing me. The momma deer was stamping her feet but I moved to touch the fawn and they ran away. I also have seen a pika - sort of a rabbit - and a marten stare each other down.
Seen a marten chase and eat a chipmunk and seen all kinds of hawks, eagles etc. Just too much to tell about all or even half my real life experiences since 1987 when I bought my land or since 1979 when I first began to go into the wild.

And here is a thread where I tell in detail about one of the best experiences I have ever had, not moving for half an hour while a big herd of "wapiti" moved slowly on by. >>> https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...ad.php?t=73868

I try more than most, to Do this >

“I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. I did not wish to live what was not life, living is so dear; nor did I wish to practise resignation, unless it was quite necessary. I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life, to live so sturdily and Spartan-like as to put to rout all that was not life, to cut a broad swath and shave close, to drive life into a corner, and reduce it to its lowest terms...”

― Henry David Thoreau
01-07-2020 02:58 PM
FalconsBravesHawks I love seeing the pics you have posted, and the fact you are trying to get out there permanently. The biggest thing is to NOT set your goals/bar so high as to be unachievable. 30 degrees inside your cave (main living dwelling) is not survivable long term even if it's "warmer" than the outside temp. You may hate getting advice, but that sounds like it was your main downfall. More insulation, etc may help raise temps inside, but until you figure that out then you will merely be "camping" at your retreat during the start of winter months (a few days to a few weeks). I'm rooting for you!

Perhaps start checking out your local craigslist for the freestuff to see if there is excess materials from others home projects that you could scoop up. Another poster here is building a dwelling almost entirely from reclaimed steel and other materials. Basically he spending almost nothing, just his own labor.

You seem to assume that everyone that gives you advice or critiques you (wanted or unwanted) is being "harsh" or is a "troll", but it appears most are just trying to help out. You can take their advice or not, but coming off as if you know everything or have thought of every angle is pretty naive. Don't get so upset with folks, thick skin is required for today's living especially online. Also, try not to dwell of people who irritated you like Grunf, almost 90 percent of your posts above after he was banned still mention his name. That tells me he REALLY upset you. Like I said earlier, failing this year or not, everytime you fall/fail learn from it, don't set the bar too high and gains will be more obtainable with less failures (builds confidence).
01-07-2020 02:20 PM
Mtnman Mike
Quote:
Originally Posted by biathlon View Post
I wasn't being harsh Mike. I know Wyoming and I also know how to cope with winter here.
You could have put up a tee pee or small yurt for a fraction of what you've already spent.
If you really do want a cabin up there, there are several CONTRACTORS who would be glad to build it for you. Some concrete pillars first and then some floor joists. Frame it and roof it and then let you do all the finish work like flooring, insulation and windows.

You also recently posted that you are wanting to purchase some snowshoes. Really? You went up there with the intention of spending the winter up there WITHOUT skis or snowshoes?

I just had my right hip replaced Mike. Recovery was about six weeks. You needed ten months to recover from a toe amputation?

I admire you Mike but there are just way too many holes in your story.

My concern for you this fall was that you would hole up in your "bunker" and we would get one of those big dumps where we get 6 to 8 feet of snow over a few days and you would be trapped in there and die.

You seem to resent advice from me so I'll not offer any more.
Good luck.
I try to make my own luck. It does not always work out but does everything work out in everyones life? If they say so then they are probably lying.

I actually don't mind some advice just the way too many phrase things like they sure seem to be ordering me to do stuff. And many lately sure seem to be trying to make me look foolish but that seems to be the way of most of the world lately from bashing Trump and he doesn't help with how and what he says either. The whole world is being divided and it won't end well. Just one more reason I wish to move to my mtn place as much as possible even permanently. And if necessary such as my being in a city now for the winter then I also am mostly alone but I do talk to some when the opportunity happens.

I don't think you truly admire me and many others either. The "holes" in my true story are what I don't have the time or inclination to go into all of the details. I have tried to answer what I have time for though even with some pics for proof. I really would like to know of anyone else even just on this S-boards who is constantly being given "advice" even being harassed as much as I have been over the past ten years here and more and more over the past month or so.

And again all that you and so many others post giving me your advice is that I have already thought of all of that. Such as contractors who are expensive and I was planning on hiring a contractor who I know personally but since my surgery etc etc. has hurt me in many ways even financially. I also have the half built cabin with two steel beams and even after six feet of deep snow & very harsh winters it is still standing with no damage. I likely will finish that cabin up on the sunny hillside within a year or two even if I must do it all by myself.

But no one should worry or be concerned or especially harass me into doing stuff. Maybe someday in a year or two I might post a lot more pics for More proof of what I do and have done and will do in the future.
But I don't think many truly care but they just like to see interesting or purty pics or even join in if someone is being harassed etc etc.

I did sleep inside my bunker for a few days this past Nov. I have thermometers in and out side of the bunker. I had the woodstove going some but not truly needed as I have great warm winter sleeping bags etc. I checked the inside thermometer and it said 30 degrees. And that was even when the woodstove got cold. I checked the outside thermometer right away and it said 5 degrees F.

I have been on my land most months even in the winter. One April when there was about ten feet of snowpack I could get to the bunker although it was covered deeply. Over the front door of the bunker is a 20 foot long hallway so no snow there. The beginning of the entrance to the hallway is covered and there are two large trees with dead branches. I opened up the top through a couple feet of snow and slid down into the hallway. The front steel door of the bunker opens inward so even IF there was snow or the roof collapsed on the hallway I could still get out.

And again I guess I post too much without fully explaining everything. I was in rehab for over a week. I had to use a walker then a cane. I have not used a cane since August of 2018. I did not even use my walking stick but it helps when walking around especially over logs.

I don't know why I must explain Everything. I did do much more even in the motel than I will ever tell about. I can work from wherever I have wifi. AND that is all about that. Think what any will I know and I might tell some friends but not Everyone especially on this internet.

You post Really? a lot in your last couple posts to me. Yes really and I don't lie and have pics as Proof of anything that I do share. Most people on the net don't even post what state or country they are in which is ok. They don't seem real but whatever. And I could also ask you the same biathlon such as Really? you have stashes, caches etc. All over Wyoming? Do you have stored food where you live? Do you own land or a house or apt or just stay in a motel in your many travels? You don't have to answer since I and most maybe all don't Really care. It really doesn't matter to me and if that works for you then good Luck.

I simply share what I have done and maybe or maybe I won't post more new pics. My having to spend so awful much time, even over an hour finding, explaining over and over, is just too much and likely not worth my effort...
And to answer this what you posted > "You also recently posted that you are wanting to purchase some snowshoes. Really? You went up there with the intention of spending the winter up there WITHOUT skis or snowshoes? "

The following pics should Prove once again what I own and have done and will do in the future. I was asking or mentioned about buying New snowshoes since the ones I just showed are about thirty years old. They have been inside the bunker for most of that time. I could use some New snowshoes especially walking around my mtn place this coming Feb. when I go up with real life friends on their snowmobiles.

What my 30 year old snowshoes look like >



PROOF of me using my cross country skis. Only pic I have of that since I usually am alone when skiing, hiking, working, Living. This pic was taken by a green beret guy who went with me on skis and we created a large snow cave>



A pic of my neighbor who owns a cabin ( over half a mile from my mtn place ) he rarely goes up there lately since he is 82 now. I took this pic of Alfred in January 2009.



A pic of a Colorado chipmunk and that is what the official name Really is. But this likely was taken in Wyoming even though Wyoming has and likely is one of the most anti- pot / weed states around. But from all whom I have met and who I have observed and smelled in the cheap motel it seems to me that Laramie is the pot / weed capitol of Wyoming with its university and working some would say low class workers. But I will end these pics with what many have found humorous >



Quote:
Originally Posted by n1d View Post
yup.......................
I suppose you would not want to explain that? I can guess but an explanation of what you and seemingly my former friend mtnairkin posted that ...…… I could say the same for many who post but I don't use foul language even on the net and especially I don't in real life. Maybe you should go back to the Darkside section n1d and just ignore this thread if it bothers you and some others so much ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie_T View Post
MM, I understand the motel vs apartment. Most apartments I have rented wanted a lease or at least first and last month's rent. When I was working for NAFAC I lived in a Shoney's motel for about a year. Back then it was $475 per month but I didn't have to give any notice to leave so I remained flexible. Also even an efficiency apartment was $100 to $200 more per month.

It had a fridge and cook top (no oven). I never used more than one eye on the cook top so I could have gotten by with a hot plate if it hadn't been provided. I found that I could even cook a frozen pizza in a frying pan but I mostly ate at Shoney's restaurant.

The TV and maid service made it more attractive. I didn't have to deal with providing linens and towels and go through the hassle of washing them. Maid service was once per week but I could exchange towels or linens at any time during the week if need be.
Great post Eddie. A good explanation from your real life experience. I don't truly care for motels but they do have privacy and strong steel doors, dead bolt locks etc etc. AND I can leave tomorrow with No notice or in 20 years IF I wish. And if you Eddie have any advice for me I likely would at least consider it since you are respectful and are not giving me "advice" harshly or like you are ordering me to follow your advice or else I am stupid, foolish and I don't know anything even after experiencing and LIVING more uniquely than most. AND I will stop posting but only If people stop asking me questions or needing a response. I do thank the few, very few who are still left in this long pic thread. It has been interesting if nothing else....
01-07-2020 12:44 PM
n1d
CAW!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnairkin View Post
.......................
yup.......................
This thread has more than 20 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © Kevin Felts 2006 - 2015,
Green theme by http://www.themesbydesign.net