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12-21-2012 08:55 PM
Belair56 Try and get a Ruger Security Six .357 Ive got a stainless one 23/4 barrel shoots magnums and .38's great gun owned it for 20yrs.............
12-21-2012 07:40 PM
VINCENT
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Originally Posted by FotoTomas View Post
Sorry to bring this back up from the dead BUT...I own and reload for the .38 S&W cartridge. It is NOT my favorite round but is fun in the old family lemon squeezer and a surplus Enfield revolver. The .38 S&W will NOT fit a .38 Special or .357 Magnum chamber. It is fatter. In addition it is shorter. The nominal bullet diameter I size the .38 S&W for is .360. When I size .38 Special lead bullets I size them at .358.

It has been done in the past to bore out a .38 S&W chamber to allow for the longer .38 Special to fit BUT 90% of the time accuracy suffers since the barrel is sized for a larger bullet. There is also the safety issue to be concerned about. The chamber is looser due to larger size and the potential for damage or catastrophe with higher pressure .38 Special ammo.

My Ruger Blackhawk has the .38 Special/.357 Magnum cylinder and the 9mm cylinder. I would not want a .38 S&W cylinder due to the larger diameter bullet having to swage down a .358 barrel, boosting pressure and causing severe leading.

Something I felt needed to be clarified.
thats something i will need to read up on, because i have been doing it for years. not regularly, but when ever i find .38
S&W cheap
12-20-2012 08:43 PM
SnakeRanch I have never sold a Ruger. Doubt I ever will. Picked another, a 10 year old Ruger GP100 4" and also a 70's S&W 66 snubbie today, Both stainless .357, both mint. I was in the shop looking at a beautiful AR10, and started talking to a friend of the owner, before I knew it his 2 beauties had a new home. The Ruger is built like a tank. I refer to them my new truck, and sports car...
12-20-2012 05:26 PM
JackBohm Get a Ruger GP100- the Rock of Gibraltar. It'll need some trigger work but it is a workhorse. Only other candidate is a S&W L of N frame - and at higher prices. avoid Taurus.
12-19-2012 03:44 AM
FotoTomas
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Originally Posted by VINCENT View Post
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now i can confuse the situation even more. there is a round called a 38S&W, aka 38 short. it will fit into both a 38 special, and a 357. they are hard to find, and expensive. they were made for pistols similar to a webley. but just so you know they will fit and fire. all this and you dont need to swap cylinders ...snip...
Sorry to bring this back up from the dead BUT...I own and reload for the .38 S&W cartridge. It is NOT my favorite round but is fun in the old family lemon squeezer and a surplus Enfield revolver. The .38 S&W will NOT fit a .38 Special or .357 Magnum chamber. It is fatter. In addition it is shorter. The nominal bullet diameter I size the .38 S&W for is .360. When I size .38 Special lead bullets I size them at .358.

It has been done in the past to bore out a .38 S&W chamber to allow for the longer .38 Special to fit BUT 90% of the time accuracy suffers since the barrel is sized for a larger bullet. There is also the safety issue to be concerned about. The chamber is looser due to larger size and the potential for damage or catastrophe with higher pressure .38 Special ammo.

My Ruger Blackhawk has the .38 Special/.357 Magnum cylinder and the 9mm cylinder. I would not want a .38 S&W cylinder due to the larger diameter bullet having to swage down a .358 barrel, boosting pressure and causing severe leading.

Something I felt needed to be clarified.
07-25-2012 03:25 PM
falloutmike Occasionally academy sports has the rossi 3" .357 mag on sale for $199. Hard to beat that deal.
07-22-2012 03:55 PM
VINCENT ask the questions. it will keep you alive. if you dont want to ask, google your question and i promise someone has asked it before.
07-22-2012 02:43 PM
dethmaul I am glad, Vincent. And thanks to Meeteetse, too. All I need to learn is a little specifics of what I'm wondering about, and the fog lifts, no problemo. I didn't know exactly how the rounds were different. NOW, if I ever run into a .38 gun, My simple reading of the .357 manual won't lead me to think they were interchangeable.

...Even though if I ever ran into a different gun, I'd either read the manual or ask so many questions someone gets frustrated at me.
07-18-2012 11:19 PM
Meeteetse
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Originally Posted by dethmaul View Post
The brass brush in my cleaning kit makes me leery. I know everyone's been using them for ages to clean guns, but doesn't it scratch up the inside? Make it easier for contaminants to hide in each scratch? And how exactly does the New Vaquero take two different kinds of ammo? I read in the owner's manual that .38 special will fit inside, but unless the two different kinds are only different on the INSIDE I'm kinda curious.

As others have said, the .357 and .38 special are both .357 in diameter. The .38 is just shorter so it will fit in a .357 revolver but not the reverse. This is what makes the .357 so versatile. Calling the .38 a .38 is actually a misnomer.
The .357 magnum is much more powerful than the .38, so if you are just learning to shoot, try some .38's first. Recoil is MUCH less.


As far as the brass brush is concerned, brass is much softer than the steel of the revolver cylinder or barrel and will not hurt the gun at all. Scrub away with no worry. Dip the brush in Hoppe #9 or something similar and have at it. You will see, after some use, the brass brush will actually wear away and you will need to replace it. Some folks suggest getting a brass brush one size larger to make sure of a tight fit so you can scrub it well.

Keep asking questions, that is how you learn and stay safe while learning to shoot.
07-18-2012 01:31 PM
rice paddy daddy
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Originally Posted by rabiddog9 View Post
Then again, there ARE those lovable crappy old Charter Arms .44 special Bulldogs that some folks will bet their lives on. Something about that little pocket sized revolver with that HUGE hole in the muzzle and those giant chambers just gets me. I wish S&W with their new metallurgy would make a good quality copy of that little cannon!
Yep, got one of them, too!
It's my alternate pocket carry to my Taurus 605.
She's loaded with Winchester Silver Tips and feels reeeeaaal comfortable in my front pocket.
Trouble is, even the big city gunstore I sometimes frequent doesn't have HKS speedloaders for it. I'm forced to carry Bianchi Speed Strips.
07-18-2012 01:25 PM
rice paddy daddy
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Originally Posted by drobs View Post
Owning a Taurus is like dating a fat chick. She might great in bed but you don't want to show her off to your friends.
If I love the woman, I don't care what other people think.
07-17-2012 07:53 PM
rabiddog9 Won't get into the fight over what's better whats not.....Will agree that Rugers are immensely strong. Trigger pulls could be better.
I don't care for Guns made in South America, I had a bad experience with a Rossi revolver some years back it was a quality issue. I don't trust their steel. That said their are plenty of happy Taurus owners and their reputation is fairly good.
As to value there is no question in my mind which companies products go UP in value over time and which don't. I can afford Smiths and thats what I buy. Somebody one said "You get what you pay for and Guns, Tires and Tools are not the place to compromise."
Besides....I still remember well when Harry Callahan said to the BG..."Me and my friends are not gonna let you get away with this"....The BG says "...Friends?..what friends??" and Harry coolly says...." Smith & Wesson and ME!" Who can argue with THAT!
Then again, there ARE those lovable crappy old Charter Arms .44 special Bulldogs that some folks will bet their lives on. Something about that little pocket sized revolver with that HUGE hole in the muzzle and those giant chambers just gets me. I wish S&W with their new metallurgy would make a good quality copy of that little cannon!
07-17-2012 02:33 PM
VINCENT i'll whip mine out where ever. i aint scared
07-17-2012 08:53 AM
turbodieseli4i6 Maybe its time for a - Whats so bad about a Taurus thread.
Fixed!
07-17-2012 03:11 AM
drobs Owning a Taurus is like dating a fat chick. She might great in bed but you don't want to show her off to your friends.
Owning a Taurus is like riding a moped. Might be fun to ride around the block but you don't want to be seen with it at the bar.
07-16-2012 10:10 PM
VINCENT more and more i like you rice paddy. more and more. lol
07-16-2012 10:05 PM
rice paddy daddy
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Originally Posted by cudakidd View Post
I think I'm done with this thread...Choose what you want, you live with the consequences. Buy Cheap and expect trouble...
Ohh, darn! I was really hoping to tell you about the great deal I got on the very best ever made 357 magnum revolver. Only $300 for a pristine 1959 Ruger Old Model Flat Top 357!!!
The only flaws were some minute rust on the ejector tube, and faux pearl aftermarket grips.
And yes, I do own two S&W's, a Model 10 and a K-38 Combat Masterpiece. And five Colts.
But I still carry a Taurus.
07-16-2012 08:40 PM
VINCENT thats much better. this thread reads so much better without the gun sobbery
07-16-2012 08:37 PM
VINCENT
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Originally Posted by cudakidd View Post
So you are now stating that the two Taurus models are USED? And one of them is a Semi Auto? Sound like a fair comparism?

And my $750 is too high but you had to shop for a deal on a gun with a MSRP of $618? Does that sound "Affordable" to others here complaining about my prices on Semi Custom, Performance Center, Limited Run, S&Ws? Really?

I OPENLY stated I look for used Smiths to get good prices and you made it sound like you could buy two NEW Taurus REVOLVERS for the same price?

I think I'm done with this thread...Choose what you want, you live with the consequences. Buy Cheap and expect trouble...
nope, not used. he sells new and used. both were new in box purchased. and my NEW pt111 cost more then i could have bought another revolver for.

and i didnt "shop", yet i did hagle. your 750 is a rediculous amount for an AFFORDABLE revolver. face it your a gun snob. its ok revel in it. but dont act like you are anything but a gun snob. people who arnt dont brag about thier semi custom, preformance center, limited run S&W's. your smiths were still double and they were used. imagine if i had bought used, and if you bought new. now look at what the diference would have been. your being rediculous, and beating a dead horse. i'm done arguing with you. newbie, youve just earned a spot on the ignore list.
07-16-2012 08:26 PM
cudakidd
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Originally Posted by VINCENT View Post
my 605, and my automatic pt111 cost me less then 650 for the pair out the door. my wife has the 9m as her back up, and i carry the 605 every single day.

i try to buy from private sales, but both of those came from rocky's pawn shop in eustis fl. your welcome to look him up. i'm sure he would welcome the business

my back up is a 618- thats a 4 inch ported 8 round revolver. i had to special order it. every where i looked they were 650-700. i got it for 550 out the door. and that was me spending big on a dream gun. they opnly other company to ofer one similar is S&W and they want 1200 because its made of scandiaumand stamped with S&W. still the taurus is aprox half the price
So you are now stating that the two Taurus models are USED? And one of them is a Semi Auto? Sound like a fair comparism?

And my $750 is too high but you had to shop for a deal on a gun with a MSRP of $618? Does that sound "Affordable" to others here complaining about my prices on Semi Custom, Performance Center, Limited Run, S&Ws? Really?

I OPENLY stated I look for used Smiths to get good prices and you made it sound like you could buy two NEW Taurus REVOLVERS for the same price?

I think I'm done with this thread...Choose what you want, you live with the consequences. Buy Cheap and expect trouble...
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