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11-18-2019 09:47 PM
justin22885
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Originally Posted by Pitbull_Dallas View Post
Yeah, saw him on Fox this morning and he does get it. I'll bet he doesn't get invited to many dem parties going forward..
the DNC will make sure he doesnt win his next election, thats for sure
11-18-2019 05:41 PM
Pitbull_Dallas
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Originally Posted by Surviving Suburbia View Post
Yeah, saw him on Fox this morning and he does get it. I'll bet he doesn't get invited to many dem parties going forward..
11-18-2019 05:37 PM
Surviving Suburbia
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Originally Posted by Surviving Suburbia View Post
...this impeachment isn't about Trump's phone call. That was merely a convenient political expedient--another excuse to go after Trump after the Russian collision thing, the Stormy Daniels thing, and the other garbage that has been attempted to no avail. The impeachment charade is chiefly about the 2020 election and throwing mud at Trump.

And that's why it's a sham. The call to Ukraine may have been a thousand things that are uncomplimentary to Trump. But they haven't yet, IMO, been shown to rise to the bar of a likely conviction in the Senate. For that matter, Schiff & Co. don't even want Trump impeached. Why? Pence. They only want Trump torpedoed in public opinion for the sake of 2020. The whole thing is an election gambit using time meant for legislating.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/van-dr...st-impeachment

This Democratic Rep gets it!
11-18-2019 10:29 AM
Surviving Suburbia
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Originally Posted by buzzardB View Post
I'll trade you a Biden for a Trump. Heck, take two Bidens. You can even have two Clintons to boot.
"Oh yeah? Well my guy is TEN TIMES better than your guy!"

If that's all you've got, why are you posting in this thread at all? Go read a book instead of wasting time here.

You're over 70 years old. I get that maybe this forum provides some kind of entertainment for you--me too. But man up and debate! Close-mindedness is part of what's killing this country. Libshooter took me on and I respect that even if we disagree.
11-18-2019 08:06 AM
justin22885 lmao, so this ciaramella, a low level employee kicked out of the white house for leaks, gets invited to dinners with biden, brennen, clapper, comey, and rice due to his political and ideological connections.. and we're supposed to believe this guy heard something in a conversation with someone that is damning to trump? when the other person trump was supposedly speaking to in ukraine has publicly states that none of what claims to have been said, was actually said?

and then the leftists, desperate for a "gotcha" moment, actually believe this hysterical nonsense?..you really cant fix stupid
11-18-2019 12:57 AM
4X4
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Originally Posted by LibShooter View Post
It looks like he can... but he’s going to catch so much carp over it that his Presidency grinds to a halt and none of his agenda will be accomplished.

4X4: (Seems like he's accomplished quite a bit in the last 3+ years to me).

This is just another example of President Trump’s political incompetence. He should have known better than to make such a politically charged demand of another government while half a dozen public service professionals appointed by previous administrations were listening in. His political team immediately knew it was a mistake. We know this because they took extraordinary measures to keep this particular call secret.

4X4Yet no matter how much you scream about it there was nothing impeachable. Keep screaming into the forrest as you will get the same result).

Donald Trump is at heart a bombastic real estate huckster. He’s been successful by gaming the system and letting his peeps deal with the fallout. Unfortunately, this has taken him as far as it can. He’s never before dealt with adversaries who are better than he is. Speaker Pelosi and Rep. Schiff are better politicians than President Trump is. They are kicking his butt. Trump will be impeached and that will be a millstone in the 2020 election.

4X4: (President Trump is not a politician. He says that publicly. He does a very good job at exposing the swamp and your "political" hacks you love to tout.)

President Trump is losing his luster as a “winner” among independent voters. A lot of his guys lost in 2018. His guys lost elections in Alabama, Virginia, Kentucky and Louisiana. A lot of his guys are in jail.

4X4: (Get back with us after the election. I have a nice recipe of crow pie for you)

Whether or not voters believe the President’s action are impeachable, they will be successfully marketed by the Democrats in 2020 as being sleazy and amateurish. President Trump hurt himself with the Ukraine issue and has been mostly unsuccessful at shifting the story to Biden’s imagined corruption.
4X4: (Are you delusional? The majority of America has had enough of this circus.)


2. Legality is really irrelevant to an impeachment decision.

4X4: (Great way to duck and dodge leftist. "legality is really irrelevant" Maybe someday that might happen to you in a court somewhere)



President Trump’s biggest failure as President has been his inability to accept the fact that he won the election without a popular mandate. He thinks he’s Ronald Reagan but he’s really Benjamin Harrison.

4X4: (The best part is he won the presidency. No matter how much you want to cry foul and beat your fists on the ground. President Trump won and he's going to win the next election. Get ready snowflake because it's coming).

Maybe you can try to convince yourself that the President’s obsession with an investigation of VP Biden was just about corruption, but most independent voters know it for what it is.[/QUOTE]

4X4: (I could care less what it's about, what Creepy Joe did was wrong and an abuse of power just to promote his looser son. You know it, I know it and America knows it. If it were not so why isn't ol' crackhead Biden Jr. publicly saying anything??)
11-17-2019 07:54 PM
buzzardB I'll trade you a Biden for a Trump. Heck, take two Bidens. You can even have two Clintons to boot.
11-17-2019 01:31 PM
Surviving Suburbia
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Originally Posted by LibShooter View Post
Whether the question on the call was technically legal is beside the point for two reasons:

1. A legal act in furtherance of an illegal conspiracy is illegal. The testimony is showing that Secretary Pompey, Secretary Perry, Rep. Mulvaney, Mayor Giuliani put together a plot to use US power to get a foreign government to help the Trump campaign. When the President played his part asking for a favor, though, he put himself in the middle of the conspiracy.

Mick Mulvaney describes the conspiracy better than I can: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...mick-mulvaney/

2. Legality is really irrelevant to an impeachment decision.



President Trumpís biggest failure as President has been his inability to accept the fact that he won the election without a popular mandate. He thinks heís Ronald Reagan but heís really Benjamin Harrison.

Trump is President because of a few voters in three states. To be re-elected, he needs to thread that needle again without losing any other state he won in 2016. Thatís going to be more difficult with 2020ís changing demographics and a fired up Democratic base. A swampy scandal wonít help.

Maybe you can try to convince yourself that the Presidentís obsession with an investigation of VP Biden was just about corruption, but most independent voters know it for what it is.
You may be right about the conspiracy above. I am lost on that point and don't have time right now to research, but I would hope the impeachment proceedings would pursue investigating it if plausible. I would suspect, in fact, that they would pursue it with extreme prejudice. Seems they are pursuing based on what you said so we'll see what happens.

But to your second point...

You mentioning the 2020 election highlights an important fact that was also raised by AOC herself: this impeachment isn't about Trump's phone call. That was merely a convenient political expedient--another excuse to go after Trump after the Russian collision thing, the Stormy Daniels thing, and the other garbage that has been attempted to no avail. The impeachment charade is chiefly about the 2020 election and throwing mud at Trump.

And that's why it's a sham. The call to Ukraine may have been a thousand things that are uncomplimentary to Trump. But they haven't yet, IMO, been shown to rise to the bar of a likely conviction in the Senate. For that matter, Schiff & Co. don't even want Trump impeached. Why? Pence. They only want Trump torpedoed in public opinion for the sake of 2020. The whole thing is an election gambit using time meant for legislating. You just said as much.

It's a sham, regardless of whether it's going to be an effective one. The ends do not justify the means, whether or not they are ultimately effective in achieving the goal.
11-17-2019 11:10 AM
LibShooter
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Originally Posted by Surviving Suburbia View Post
See, here's the thing: my response to whoever I was responding to was about the legality of the request, not about whether it was politically savvy.
Whether the question on the call was technically legal is beside the point for two reasons:

1. A legal act in furtherance of an illegal conspiracy is illegal. The testimony is showing that Secretary Pompey, Secretary Perry, Rep. Mulvaney, Mayor Giuliani put together a plot to use US power to get a foreign government to help the Trump campaign. When the President played his part asking for a favor, though, he put himself in the middle of the conspiracy.

Mick Mulvaney describes the conspiracy better than I can: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...mick-mulvaney/

2. Legality is really irrelevant to an impeachment decision.

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So yeah, he'll be impeached. Bring it.
President Trumpís biggest failure as President has been his inability to accept the fact that he won the election without a popular mandate. He thinks heís Ronald Reagan but heís really Benjamin Harrison.

Trump is President because of a few voters in three states. To be re-elected, he needs to thread that needle again without losing any other state he won in 2016. Thatís going to be more difficult with 2020ís changing demographics and a fired up Democratic base. A swampy scandal wonít help.

Maybe you can try to convince yourself that the Presidentís obsession with an investigation of VP Biden was just about corruption, but most independent voters know it for what it is.
11-17-2019 10:42 AM
saln The title of this thread needs to be changed to TRUTH.

This cuck was nothing more than a brennan/obammy SPY, designed to continue the COUP. No different than CIAramellia or yovonobeach and the rest in the quene.
11-17-2019 10:37 AM
4X4
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Originally Posted by PeterEnergy View Post
The idea that POTUS asking for a favor is an impeachable offense shows where the snowflakes have taken us.
It worked for Creepy Joe.......
11-17-2019 10:34 AM
PeterEnergy
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But the fact is that Biden is ON TAPE EXPLICITLY ADMITTING HE ENGAGED IN A CORRUPT ACT...
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Originally Posted by LibShooter View Post
If thereís a taped confession, why the need to ask the Ukraine government for an investigation?
Because some people think facts are relevant to criminal prosecution.

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Originally Posted by LibShooter View Post
A savvy President would have known the risk was not worth the potential return.
The risk of maintaining law and order outweigh predictable attacks by the Deep State.
11-17-2019 10:29 AM
PeterEnergy
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Originally Posted by buzzardB View Post
shot himself by asking for a favor though.
The idea that POTUS asking for a favor is an impeachable offense shows where the snowflakes have taken us.
11-17-2019 10:22 AM
Surviving Suburbia
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Originally Posted by LibShooter View Post
It looks like...etc.
See, here's the thing: my response to whoever I was responding to was about the legality of the request, not about whether it was politically savvy. But let's go with the change of topic since it's here now.

So, you know what? I don't deny Trump can be hamfisted when it comes to politics. He's done and said some pretty unsavvy things before (Lol.... understatement). I've said before that I don't particularly like him.

He has done a lot of things in office that I DO like, though. More than enough that I'll vote for him over whichever Marxist the Democrats end up throwing out of the primaries. And I surely won't be voting third party in protest against Trump (yet... we'll see what else he might do. Silly to commit this early.). Too risky to vote third party with Marxists (mostly marriage-of-convenience Marxists, but still Marxists) running for the other major party.

So yeah, he'll be impeached. Bring it. It's been a dog-and-pony impeachment since the curtain lifted, though. I look forward to the Senate trial and the unhampered questioning of witnesses that Schiff is determined to hide in order to guide his narrative instead of simply giving truth some breathing room.
11-17-2019 10:00 AM
roseman Any rational person can see the sham for what it is. The President will enjoy a complete victory in the 2020 election including the house and senate.
If the house decides to investigate the actual lawbreakers, I wonder how long it will take the corrupt media to advocate for an end to investigations opining that Trump is trying to punish his political enemies.
11-17-2019 09:47 AM
LibShooter
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Originally Posted by justin22885 View Post
lmfao, how clueless does someone have to be to actually think these witch hunt hearings are actually hurting trump?
President Trump lives with a 10% chronic deficit in approval polls, so he will need people outside of his base to be elected. The impeachment process enjoys a slight plurality of support among likely voter... and itís trending upward. That can only be bad news for the President, so far.

In the end, whether the impeachment process is a net good or bad for the President is yet to be determined. However, to date, the President is losing. Like it or not, Chairman Schiff is getting damaging testimony from the witnesses and President Trumpís supporters have been unsuccessful in changing the subject.
11-17-2019 09:30 AM
justin22885 lmfao, how clueless does someone have to be to actually think these witch hunt hearings are actually hurting trump?
11-17-2019 09:21 AM
LibShooter
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Originally Posted by Surviving Suburbia View Post
So a president can't ask foreign governments to investigate corrupt acts by other U.S. citizens if such investigation would also be a "thing of value" to that president in connection with his running for reelection because the suspect happens to be his opponent?
It looks like he can... but he’s going to catch so much carp over it that his Presidency grinds to a halt and none of his agenda will be accomplished. This is just another example of President Trump’s political incompetence. He should have known better than to make such a politically charged demand of another government while half a dozen public service professionals appointed by previous administrations were listening in. His political team immediately knew it was a mistake. We know this because they took extraordinary measures to keep this particular call secret.

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But the fact is that Biden is ON TAPE EXPLICITLY ADMITTING HE ENGAGED IN A CORRUPT ACT...
If there’s a taped confession, why the need to ask the Ukraine government for an investigation? A savvy President would have known the risk was not worth the potential return. I think the reason is that President Trump’s political team told him that Biden’s “confession” was going to be a flash in the pan because so many Republicans supported what the former VP did... but Trump wouldn’t let it go.

Donald Trump is at heart a bombastic real estate huckster. He’s been successful by gaming the system and letting his peeps deal with the fallout. Unfortunately, this has taken him as far as it can. He’s never before dealt with adversaries who are better than he is. Speaker Pelosi and Rep. Schiff are better politicians than President Trump is. They are kicking his butt. Trump will be impeached and that will be a millstone in the 2020 election.

President Trump is losing his luster as a “winner” among independent voters. A lot of his guys lost in 2018. His guys lost elections in Alabama, Virginia, Kentucky and Louisiana. A lot of his guys are in jail.

Whether or not voters believe the President’s action are impeachable, they will be successfully marketed by the Democrats in 2020 as being sleazy and amateurish. President Trump hurt himself with the Ukraine issue and has been mostly unsuccessful at shifting the story to Biden’s imagined corruption.
11-16-2019 11:17 PM
Sue Doh Myn The more time House democrats spend on collusion and impeachment, the better. That is less time they can be passing unconstitutional legislation.
11-16-2019 08:03 PM
Surviving Suburbia
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Originally Posted by buzzardB View Post
USC 30121
https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-5...ect-30121.html
(A)  a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value
(2)  a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
So a president can't ask foreign governments to investigate corrupt acts by other U.S. citizens if such investigation would also be a "thing of value" to that president in connection with his running for reelection because the suspect happens to be his opponent? What if the suspect being investigated is not a political opponent and the investigation simply shows good leadership by the president, thus boosting his approval rating when it hits the headlines? Is that a thing of value? While we're defining "thing of value" that loosely, might as well include asking NATO allies to do their fair share and quit depending on the US to carry their weight for them. Heck, just about all foreign policy requests can be redefined as a "thing of value" under that law if it makes the Prez look good during an election cycle.

I get the argument that Trump asking for the investigation seems shady at first flush since it would be likely to politically damage Biden.
But the fact is that Biden is ON TAPE EXPLICITLY ADMITTING HE ENGAGED IN A CORRUPT ACT by trading a billion dollars of loan guarantees for the firing of a prosecutor who was investigating the company on whose board Hunter Biden sat for purely political reasons--no other qualifications whatsoever. What Biden and son did was shady as all get out. You don't want that investigated?
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