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10-09-2017 04:10 PM
Sharkbait
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Originally Posted by comdot View Post
You're doing this story all wrong.

It's STARTS with 10 handpicked team members. Multi-racial, multi-talent. Most of the guys look like GQ models but claim to be ex-UFC fighter "mercs" who name drop "spec ops" groups they were part of. The women in the group over-compensate by wearing super tight pants, carry Glocks and take down a big guy in training while reminding everyone they used to be in the Marines and fought in Falluhjah.

Two days into the journey, the team gets ambushed and all but 2 are killed. Who's left is a techno-geek who's afraid of guns and who expected the other 9 of the team to protect him BUT whose skills are critical to getting the mission done.

The other survivor is a tough as nails, but beautiful - once you get the camo off her - uber-model former military who is an expert at hand to hand and small arms. She has no time for her rent-a-Nerd but soon grows to grudgingly fall for him.

The two go through a series of mishaps, (jumping off a cliff into a raging river, getting captured by crazy white supremacist survivalists, hotwiring an ancient plane they put together from scraps to fly into Chicago) but eventually deal with a mad warlord (former Republican millionaire turned dictator), solve their quest and get back to the Redoubt with seconds to spare.

Supplies and gear lists are pointless. They'll never need toilet paper, guns (when they have them) will have unlimited "bullets" in the "clips" and food will magically appear in forgotten stores or supplied by wise old black women at the pivotal moment.

Glad to help, list me as a ghost writer, send all checks to my agent. Cheers.


Golf clap, Well F***in Done Sir , Well F***in Done , although more suited to a screenplay
10-08-2017 03:04 PM
ljcygnet If I had to cover a thousand miles in any reasonable amount of time in a grid down scenario, I'd want to do it on horseback. More specifically, I would want 4-5 scrawny little arab horses per person (arabs can go farther and faster than any other commonly available breed.)

2-3 would be saddle horses per person, and one or two would carry about a 50-75 pounds of gear per person (obviously packing very light.) As you travel, you rotate saddle horses every few hours and cut any loose that go lame or develop metabolic problems.

Better make sure everyone knows how to ride. Dealing with a string of pack animals and extra saddle horses is not easy on the best of days. There's always that one horse that wants to pass another, or somebody decides to kick or bite at another horse, or something spooks the string, or a horse trips and takes down a couple other horses on a steep trail ... hopefully not the one you're sitting on, LOL.

Traveling that way, you could easily average 30-40 miles a day, and on some days you could do 100 miles. The limiting factors for mileage would be the need to stop to let the horses eat, cool off, and drink, and human endurance. (Endurance races are 100 miles in one day, and there's the occasional 250 mile weekend race over several days, but those are with horses that are conditioned for it over a several year period.)

I'd pack very light, with backpacking gear. Most weight would be in the form of food for the people and grain for the horses, water, and supplies like extra horseshoes and the appropriate tools, ammunition, etc. Everyone would have a gun prominently displayed and you'd want to ride in small groups a little bit apart, so you couldn't all be ambushed at once.
10-07-2017 06:00 PM
Steve_In_29
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Originally Posted by harbinger1972 View Post
I quoted your whole post...

Cobbled together bicycles are illsuited to riding the rails.
Ability to follow a logical train of thought...it helps.

My reply was to a post that stated simply connecting two bicycles with a platform was the solution to riding the rails.

I stated that it wasn't that simple and that a means of keeping the bikes from slipping off the rails was needed.

You then disagreed with me stating that it was indeed as simple as the first poster said (i.e. I was wrong)...while posting a picture that proved what I had just posted was indeed correct and that the first poster was wrong.
10-07-2017 08:57 AM
sygata
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Originally Posted by Anonuser View Post
For the record... a test of EMP against cars, found that most cars still worked afterwards... (the test may or may not have been an accurate representation of a true EMP though.)
One thing to remember, the latest models of the car tested then was 2002. They also tested trucks, latest model in this case being 2003.
10-07-2017 08:41 AM
Anonuser For the record... a test of EMP against cars, found that most cars still worked afterwards... (the test may or may not have been an accurate representation of a true EMP though.)

For a motorbike (mine is a GN250), spare ECU units are something like $20 on ebay (aftermarket ones work fine). Keep a few spare in a faraday cage or sleeve and its guaranteed to be fine. Its 4 bolts to swap over the unit, 2 bolts to take the seat off and 2 bolts to take the ECU out. It is realistic that any prepper with a bike would have spare parts and a faraday bag.

My GN is fitted with a Tu250 engine, making it the only Gn that is kick and electric start. So even dead battery is fine. You add in the cargo rack that I have that I can add, you add in cargo bags that I have, and I can always strap stuff to the seat behind me.

For the purpose of your story, you could have something where they manage to get 1-2 bikes running, and an old 8 seater toyota van running. You could even have it salvaged from the wreckers... easy for them to cover part of the journey and easy to have the vechiles stopped or damaged after 50miles or something. (damaged road, ambush, fallen trees)
You could have the car "damaged" and keep a bike in your story for "scouting". You could have multiple vehicles, to allow more cargo capacity, all old and salvaged, then have then trapped (road, fuel shortage, etc), then your people can try to go via foot, or bicycle.

For me, having a car working (and then stopping it) sounds more real.


What about an old bus? Be able to carry alot of supplies, noone expects the charchters to be able to change a bus tyre, kill the bus off after 100miles -> so easy to have a tyre blowout.

Has anyone suggested a hot air balloon? Get high enough, might be "safe". (I meant high as in altitude in case you were wondering)
10-06-2017 03:25 AM
Capfan85
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Originally Posted by Dock View Post
Scenario: You have to hike from Wyoming to Chicago after TEOTWAWKI

This scenario is to help stir up ideas for a fictional story I'm working on (called Guns of March, currently in the Books & Stories subforum).

The characters in the story (a group of about 10 people) have to hike from their fortress-city in Wyoming (think of something like this kind of place) across several states to the Chicago suburbs (not the actual city of Chicago/downtown area itself). They have to make the trip about about 2-months after a global economic collapse and series of (for matters of simplicity) "EMP" blasts. The reason they are making this trip is that they have to locate and bring back 2 people with special techno-science-magic skills that are very important, and without whom their entire home/state/"nation" will be destroyed.

If some that sounds stupid, it's probably because I dumbed it down enough to got into the full details of the story itself (would require several paragraphs). Either that or its just a dumb story.

Now say you are one of these 10 people. You are in a sporting goods/outdoor supply store. What is on your list of things to bring?

Challenge = you will have to hike the whole way -- cars and other forms of modern transport won't work.

Challenge = you cannot just say "I wouldn't do it."
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Originally Posted by leadcounsel View Post
Such an implausible story line that no survivalist would attempt it.

1. It's 1300 miles each way.

2. You have two options, roads or off roads. Roads are faster but will be literally filled with certain bandits and roadblocks every 50 - 200 miles. A lot of damage can be done at a single ambush point by men with rifles. Could wipe out half the crew and take all the supplies of the remaining members, which would be a near death sentence... Horseback or similar would be a better viable option, perhaps. But you're still quite visible from a distance crossing fields and open areas. And when you get into the city it would be gang warfare and control with armed snipers and scouts covering most regions from rooftops.

When you actually get into any city you'll be shot or captured in an instant.

3. Logistics of locating someone without any communication or pre-arranged time/location would be so improbable as to be an obvious issue from the start in Wyoming. Someone would say, Um, how are we gonna locate these people?

4. Post apocalyptic world would be so violent and dangerous it would simply be suicidal. Let me give a scenario or example. It would be like a white male wandering around in Syria or war torn Iraq. You'd be shot or captured in a day. Total violent lawlessness. Nobody in his/her right mind would do it.

5. Supplies. 1350+ miles. 10 miles per day average. That's 135 days trip. Looking at 5 month journey on foot. Heck, let's play best case scenario and cut it in half. Now just 2.5 months each way. Is this during summer? Winter would be far more dangerous. Will need massive calorie and fresh water intake. Where are these food and water supplies coming from. I've done plenty of hiking and military rucking and you consume a mountain of calories to maintain any reasonable pace.

Settlers who settled the western USA on horseback had better weapons and the help of the military to drive out the natives. Many settlers died from native attacks. And natives didn't have the types of weapons and training one would expect modern pirates to have.

I am putting myself in the position of these 10 people and I cannot come up with a singular plausible and realistic reason to make that journey and have any hope to accomplish it (e.g. locate the person in Chicago).
Agree with all above the above it would be suicidal for all of the reasons mentioned lead counsel. However if this is a family member, spouse, or child then this situation would be necessary unless you don't care about them. Maybe another reason to head into a major city would be to gain information about what is going on in the world because if there is an EMP and the grid is down you likely won't know anything that is going on except through rumors from neighbors if they have family members in the military.

You would have to plan your route to move mostly through remote wilderness with stops along the way into small towns or small cities along the way to re-fill on resources. It would not be impossible, appalachian trail hikers and long distance hikers do this quite often. However in a post apocalyptic world or post EMP world this would be very dangerous. The danger lies in the fact that you will have lots of evil and hungry people out there. They may set traps for you, they may have ambushes along the way or they may bait you to a location. Place to avoid would be obvious supplies of resources such as water, food, fuel, and other necessary resources people would especially need in a post apocalyptic world. If you stumble upon a big body of water or a supermarket or a big fuel storage area there are chances that bad people will either be controlling these places, fighting over them, or waiting to ambush you at them. You will have to cover distances very slowly due to the fact that you will need to remain concealed and move through terrain very slowly and quietly. Even in the wilderness you don't know who might be out there and if they don't have a large group of buddies.

For a long range trip like this you will want to pack light, if you want to remain mobile, move fast, and reduce injuries you will want to keep your pack on the lighter side. I would carry no more than 1-2 days worth of food at a time and plan my route carefully so I have places I can stop to fi

Some supplies I would want from the sporting good store that would be useful in this particular scenario: (not going to list all of the main supplies because this can be found in any discussion on bug out bag contents)

Thermal goggles

Ghillie suit and space blanket which will be used to to make the ghillie suit reduce my own thermal signature

Good pair of binoculars

300 win mag bolt with a 5-25 power scope or similar, and thermal clip-on

Bolt cutters and hacksaw plus any other,, forceable entry tools

Rappelling gear or just some climbing rope

Thermal game seeker - normally uses to sense game in brush through infrared, but can be used to detect people in areas where visibility is poor such as brush or inside of building.

Depending on how far we are into SHTF there may or may not be national guard handing out food at certain areas in towns, if this resource is still available you will be able to stop at towns along the way to obtain resources. IF this is not available and you are living in a Walking Dead type of world of total lawlessness then you will likely have to trap and hunt game along the way, as well as scavenge non perishable food at supermarkets if there will be any left. Think of places where you could find canned food. You may even be able to find resources in abandoned homes if people have fled from an area or evacuated you can check houses to see if they left any cans or resources behind in the panic to get out.

Again roads, hiking trails, and other funnels should be avoided. You will want to stay to difficult terrain and on high ground so you are in an advantageous position and not prone to ambushes.
10-05-2017 09:48 AM
manimalist This is pretty neato.

10-04-2017 02:42 AM
harbinger1972
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Originally Posted by Steve_In_29 View Post
Did you actually LOOK at the picture you posted???

Notice that he added exactly what I said was needed...a way to keep the tires from slipping off the rails.
I quoted your whole post...

Cobbled together bicycles are illsuited to riding the rails.
10-02-2017 04:56 PM
Atticus I haven't read the posts in the thread (except the first from OP). Here goes:

Bicycles
A couple of wheeled carts. Cabela's used to have a nice aluminum one that was collapsible.
Couple boxes of waterproof matches.
Foul weather clothing - depending on season. Poncho's no matter what - kind with extra long back to cover your pack.
Tarps to cover carts and use as ground cloths.
Tents.
Water carrier jugs.
Cook kit, Serving utensils, mess kits for everyone.
MRE's for first 2 - 3 weeks.
Bows & arrows for hunting. Fishing tackle & line.
AR-15's & Glocks for self defence
Hunting rifles & ammo. Barret 50 cal sniper rifle all scoped.
hiking boots and sneakers for everyone. Lots of extra wool socks to change 2 to 3 times per day.
3/4 axe. Bow saws.
Kinling & fire cubes, sticks, etc.
Zippo lighters & hand warmers
Lifestraws, Sawyer water filters, Katydyn pump and filter.
Water purification tablets.
Candles
Chain saws and gas for them - to clear road obstacles.
Lots and lots of rope, and also paracord spools.
Laminated maps of the territory to be covered. Chicago maps.
Flashlights and extra batteries.
Magnesium fire starters.
Canteens for everyone.
Broad brimmed boonie hats for everyone plus ball caps.
Wind proof jackets. Pants.
Chapstick, Aloe Vera, Sunblock, etc.
Feminine hygiene products.
TP
Terry cloth towels for everyone.
Water sanitizing tablets (for washing dishes)
Camping grill for over fire cooking.
Griddle
Propane stove and fuel for heating water only.
Binoculars
Infra-red scopes for some rifles.
satellite radios to talk to Wyoming and VIPs in Chicago.
Tire patching kit and bicycle pump.
Sleeping bags for everyone.
Leatherman tools for everyone.
Hunting knives for the best shooters.
Butane lighters.
harmonicas
Books
first aid kits.
trauma kits.
Antibiotics
Mosquito netting.
Cash & coins.
Spare tires.
Backpacks to transfer gear into if too many tires are ruined.
Pack frames.
cameras. (film cameras - not digital)
Self winding watches
Coffee, tea, cocoa
Mugs for everyone.
Tobacco & snuff.
Red filters for flashlights
Toothpaste & toothbrushes
Dental Floss (lots of packs)
Fingernail clippers
Couple of handheld GPS devices
10-02-2017 05:00 AM
Steve_In_29
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Originally Posted by harbinger1972 View Post
Did you actually LOOK at the picture you posted???

Notice that he added exactly what I said was needed...a way to keep the tires from slipping off the rails.
10-02-2017 02:56 AM
harbinger1972
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Originally Posted by Steve_In_29 View Post
Not as simple as that. You are going to need some means of keeping the tires from slipping off to one side or the other. Also iirc rails aren't flat on top...there is a slight curve to keep things from building up and possibly derailing a car.
It's actually that simple.


http://bikeblender.blogspot.com/2013/01/rail-bike.html
10-02-2017 02:23 AM
Steve_In_29
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Originally Posted by kingsman View Post
Horses along the high power lines.
Or
Bicycles along the railroad tracks.

Bikes can be easily assembled and disassembled along the tracks, and carried around obstacles. Rubber wheels on steel are quiet. One bike on each rail with a platform between for gear.
Not as simple as that. You are going to need some means of keeping the tires from slipping off to one side or the other. Also iirc rails aren't flat on top...there is a slight curve to keep things from building up and possibly derailing a car.
10-01-2017 06:33 PM
kingsman Horses along the high power lines.
Or
Bicycles along the railroad tracks.

Bikes can be easily assembled and disassembled along the tracks, and carried around obstacles. Rubber wheels on steel are quiet. One bike on each rail with a platform between for gear.
10-01-2017 09:48 AM
catmando Friend,
the grave yard is full of indispensable people
09-30-2017 09:48 AM
AlphaSierraCharlie My cinematic repertoire is actually rather pathetic. My attention wanders easily if I'm sitting in one place.
09-29-2017 04:27 PM
Uteguy
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Originally Posted by sygata View Post
you forgot "The Road to El Dorado"
And Wagons East...
09-19-2017 09:20 PM
sygata
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Originally Posted by AlphaSierraCharlie View Post
Star Wars, Episodes IV & VII (Death Star related)

The Hobbit
The Lord of the Rings
The Walking Dead
Battle: Los Angeles
The Road (sort of)
Wizard of Oz
The Dark Tower
Wing Commander
Zombieland
Kingsmen
Saving Private Ryan
Jim Shockey's hunting show
River Monsters
My family's vacations
you forgot "The Road to El Dorado"
09-19-2017 08:34 PM
Finmac I couldn't think of a better reply !
09-19-2017 08:18 PM
Mr. Sockpuppet
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Originally Posted by Nomad, 2nd View Post
That's from an old, old thread on the internets.

May be pre Y2K.
Hell, I'm just finding out what Reddit is.
09-19-2017 07:22 PM
AlphaSierraCharlie
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Originally Posted by leadcounsel View Post
Gee, a small group of travelers has to leave the safety of X location and travel across the dangerous land for some purpose (and return) on some mission. Never heard that one before...

Without some creative twist the story has been told in some form 1000 times. It loses it's appeal since it's so overwritten and absent some genius creative (and realistic or mythical) twist that lures us and keeps us, it's an overplayed hand.

When done well, it can be a great story. But it's already been told many times.

And when done badly, it's atrocious.
Star Wars, Episodes IV & VII (Death Star related)

The Hobbit
The Lord of the Rings
The Walking Dead
Battle: Los Angeles
The Road (sort of)
Wizard of Oz
The Dark Tower
Wing Commander
Zombieland
Kingsmen
Saving Private Ryan
Jim Shockey's hunting show
River Monsters
My family's vacations
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