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08-06-2019 01:31 AM
Late2Prep
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Originally Posted by goat daddy View Post
I always get beat up for my realistic answers. So, I will give you a forum answer One more box. That is enough
I literally said the 'one more box' to whirlibird, he's a friend.

The funny part, we were going over this at his reloading bench.

We had discussed the French resistance and what they had to begin with, Onoda in the Phillippines, and the Bielski's.

And with the recent happenings, I know my numbers have changed, at least in part.

Certain guns, certain options, have suddenly become more important.
Sometimes the gun only needs one round to gain more. And no I don't mean raiding, unless you are talking resistance.

I was recently reading a book about the coast watchers in the Solomons. How one Chief turned one rifle into 6. Where one Coast Watcher ended up with his own private army and navy.
08-05-2019 09:21 PM
goat daddy I always get beat up for my realistic answers. So, I will give you a forum answer One more box. That is enough
08-05-2019 08:27 PM
Fred Nietzsche
Good Catch

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Originally Posted by Marlin94 View Post
Where are you getting 1000 rounds of buckshot for $64? maybe you meant $640? or am I missing something?

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Obliviously I was NOT a Math Major in School...
That should have been $320
Its Midway - Fiocchi 00: $80 for 250 free shipping.
08-03-2019 05:08 PM
MadDawg
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Originally Posted by NAC/NSW/CAC View Post
100 rounds of 7.62 x 51 mm is the equivalent weight of 210 rounds of 5.56 x 45 mm. In a Battlefield Load.

Are we even concerned with Battlefield loads of 300 win mag or 50 BMG?

I'm not familiar with Battlefield loads of .22LR.

What was the actual question again? I'm Old and forget a lot.
Another way to think about this statement is simply:

IF I have 210 rounds of 5.56, I have up to 210 chances to make a hit.

If I only have 100 rounds of 7.62x51, well, I only have 100 chances to make a hit.

Considering that more will MISS than ever HIT, I guess I'd go with having more ammo than I need...
08-03-2019 04:43 PM
Marlin94
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Originally Posted by SCPigpen View Post
For real. Although I have not looked too hard, this is the best price I have seen.



https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019482530
That is a really good deal.

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08-03-2019 03:48 PM
Camelfilter
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Originally Posted by Marlin94 View Post
Where are you getting 1000 rounds of buckshot for $64? maybe you meant $640? or am I missing something?

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Guy is probably meaning case of 12g in this, likely an error in his post. Case of 12g is normally 250 rounds. ...and also perhaps confusing #4 shot, with 4 buck.

#4 shot, can be found less than poster lists, if meaning case of 250.

#4 buck, a bit more...again if meaning case of 250.
08-03-2019 01:39 PM
whirlibird
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Originally Posted by Camelfilter View Post
OP, thatís a difficult question, made even more difficult by trying to answer for someone else!

Iíll wager the primary difference betwixt your and our grandparents, and today is price along with availability. It wouldnít be uncommon for our forefathers to head out for a hunt or even plinking without ammunition, stopping by a local hardware store, convenience store or gas station to pick up a box or few of whatever they intended to use...and quite literally with pocket money.

Today, yah, you sure could. Itíd cost more, but still could. Tomorrow? Who knows what media hype could cause a run & a blight. Or some crazy unconstitutional law may cause a 10 day wait while a background check gets run, along with a +$10 fee...

Point being, a lot of folks whom regularly enjoy the shooting sports stock up a goodly bit. Buying stuff while on special here and there, or online (if they can) as prices are normally lower vs locally.

All should remember that it wasnít too long ago where if you wanted to go plink a brick or few of .22, that if you didnít have any you werenít going...
A decade ago , the collection, both toy and ammunition was much larger.
Moving made me slim down both, the ammunition heavily.

Since then changing the "tools" from one style to another, shotguns aren't much use on antelope, I am rebuilding.

As I didn't get rid of any of the reloading gear, retooling for some was extremely easy. But one particular cartridge, I thought I had gotten out of completely and had to start gathering components for again.

Regarding the OP, I was looking at "my" numbers and how far I need to go to get to my comfort level for some, while others are covered several times over.
But I found the disparity between generations to be highly interesting and educational.
I also looked at my own personal comfort level and how it has changed over the years. What I felt was adequate twenty years ago is quite different from what I think today. But then I was taking classes, not teaching them. I was hunting small game instead of big game more often than not, etc.

And in several respects, I can fully understand why some people don't put back a lot of ammo, one popular choice around here is the 7mm Mag, and at $2 a pop for some commercial "good stuff", a 1000 round case is a quick $2000.
And when the "cheap" stuff for the .300BO that I like to shoot is $550 per 1000 before shipping, and decent "hunting/defense" stuff is $.90 each.

Makes me glad I load my own.
08-03-2019 05:00 AM
SCPigpen
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Originally Posted by Marlin94 View Post
Where are you getting 1000 rounds of buckshot for $64? maybe you meant $640? or am I missing something?

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For real. Although I have not looked too hard, this is the best price I have seen.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019482530
08-03-2019 01:27 AM
Marlin94
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Originally Posted by Fred Nietzsche View Post
3-5 (thousand) for each of your main weps in there respective caliber (per person).

Estimated cost (per 1000 in USD):
9mm - 160
45ACP - 250
5.56 - 250
7.62 US - 550
7.62 AK - 180

Sub-Cal:
22 LR - 32 to 36
12 Ga Buck - 64
Where are you getting 1000 rounds of buckshot for $64? maybe you meant $640? or am I missing something?

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08-02-2019 10:29 PM
Nomad, 2nd
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Originally Posted by Cuteandfuzzybunnies View Post
1000 rounds in combat , not likely unless you are shooting belt Fed guns. Then you can go through a thousand pretty fast.

But a soldiers load out is 10 mags. That’s 300 per person. If you have 2 adults in your family 600 would give you two load outs. Some vets I’ve talked to said they liked to carry an extra loadout of Ammo in the humvee when they could. So that’s 1200 for 2 adults. Then you need back up. So that’s 2400 per 2 adults.

Of course post SHTF people will still need to train , zero and test weapons.

Plus shooting for fun. I know you may think recreational shooting would stop after SHTF. But ask yourself this, is a world without recreational shooting worth surviving in ? So stock pile and extra 100k rounds for that. But most of it can be 22lr
Dude, I bought a pallet Jack to move my ammo and I carried 600-800 rounds (not counting pistol ammo) in Iraq.
Your not hav I g to argue ME into 'more ammo'

I was talking g bare minimums, and naturally you'd 2x per shooter.

JMHO, YMMV.


PS:
EVERYONE has extra ammo in the hummers
08-02-2019 10:12 PM
AK103K
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Originally Posted by PaulKersey View Post
A firearm without ammo is just an expensive paperweight. Look to the ammo shortage of just a couple years ago for guidance as to how much one should stock. As for me, I don't intend to run out of anything.
The biggest point of always buying, be it ammo, components, whatever, all along, good times or bad, need or not, is that you wont suffer in the shortages, and youre always pretty well stocked.

Even during the shortages, I was still ordering stuff, even if it was out of stock when I ordered, and my orders were put in the queues and were shipped when it came back in stock, and I came up in the queue.

There were always components coming on a regular basis, when everyone else was bitching about not being able to ever find anything.

What I had from when things were plentiful, carried me through when things were thin or even nonexistent. And even then, things were still always coming, to replenish what I was using.

I was always shooting pretty much what I always do, every week, feast or famine.

If you wait until its panic time, youre basically screwed, and really have no one to blame, but yourself.
08-02-2019 09:38 PM
PaulKersey
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Originally Posted by TENNGRIZZ View Post
IF one is bugging in , there is no such thing has too much .......
Excellent point.
08-02-2019 09:32 PM
Cuteandfuzzybunnies
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Originally Posted by Nomad, 2nd View Post
1. SHTF (Yes you said not, but it's simple to cover.)
It's highly unlikely you will survive through 1,000 rounds of rifle ammo in combat "solo"
Put this back after check-in for function, buy another case of FMJ and reorder when you shoot up half of it.

500 rounds of pistol, .22 and shotgun determined by your hunting/harvesting expectations.

2. What your asking:
Based on ammo situations over years.... Enough to cover your shooting for 10 years.
Otherwise you may be paying $100/brick of .22, or more...y

JMHO.
1000 rounds in combat , not likely unless you are shooting belt Fed guns. Then you can go through a thousand pretty fast.

But a soldiers load out is 10 mags. That’s 300 per person. If you have 2 adults in your family 600 would give you two load outs. Some vets I’ve talked to said they liked to carry an extra loadout of Ammo in the humvee when they could. So that’s 1200 for 2 adults. Then you need back up. So that’s 2400 per 2 adults.

Of course post SHTF people will still need to train , zero and test weapons.

Plus shooting for fun. I know you may think recreational shooting would stop after SHTF. But ask yourself this, is a world without recreational shooting worth surviving in ? So stock pile and extra 100k rounds for that. But most of it can be 22lr
08-02-2019 09:25 PM
TENNGRIZZ IF one is bugging in , there is no such thing has too much , if one is bugging out , it depends foot , vehicle, boat , pack mule and horse , atv etc. each will vary. Just remember this when the day comes we have to hide em , it is definitely past time to use em. JMHO and S/FI!
08-02-2019 09:21 PM
PaulKersey A firearm without ammo is just an expensive paperweight. Look to the ammo shortage of just a couple years ago for guidance as to how much one should stock. As for me, I don't intend to run out of anything.
08-02-2019 08:36 PM
AK103K Its going to take what it takes. There seems to be a lot of difference in what people think and do, so who's to say whats the right amount? Whats right for you, is right for you I guess.


I do think whats goes on during the more or less, self-induced shortages give you a pretty good idea where many, if not most seem to be in the scheme of things here.

I think the more youre likely to be into shooting, the better off you tend to be.

None of those I saw at the various shops during the last fiasco were looking to buy cases. And if they were looking for large amounts of anything, it was bricks of .22LR.

Reloading isnt much different either. Most people I know dont reload. They find out you do, and they all want you to load for them.

Most shops here still sell primers and bullets by the 100, and powder by the pound. Pretty much the "one box'll do mentality" just carried over.
08-02-2019 07:52 PM
NAC/NSW/CAC So it's time to ask how much for training and how much for actual field use.

If you are shooting 100 round practices every day? That means you need at least 36,500 just for training, and let's say you compete in 300 round matches once a week, that means you need at least another 200 rounds 52 times a year. On the flip side, I've know hunters that only used 20 rounds of 30-30 in 20 years and filled thier tag every time. So what's the minimum? What is the situation? How much do you actually practice? Not to mention how many rounds do you expend that don't add to your score while you are practicing? If you are in the one round equals one kill realm, than 1.5 rounds for the expected time afield without replenishment should do. But the average trained soldier expended 35.8 rounds of 5.56 per EKIA in NAM.There are reasons that Combat Loads are measured in weight. If you expect your skeleton to be found atop a pile of expended cartridges, use the cyclic rate of the firearm you have chosen to determine the amount of time it takes an overweight out of shape combatant to run the distance that your selected firearm matches your skillset. JMHO.
08-02-2019 07:20 PM
Texas Heat My stockpile was just plain wrong but I am figuring it out. I figured if I started with a 1000 rounds per caliber (except for .22lr), I would always have the spare 1k plus the box I shoot out of. Here is where I went wrong.

I train with 9mm more than any other caliber, probably around 400-500 rounds per month. Having to pay full price for another 1k rounds hurts. I will buy 9mm 5k at a time now when I find a great sale to last for the year. I will keep 1k defensive rounds on hand. I buy Sig VCrown in the 20 pack so once I have 50 boxes, I'll be fine and will probably never use them all. I could probably stop at 500 but where is the fun in that.

For .223, those guns are just so silly easy to shoot. I really only train with them when I can get into one of those combat training style classes. I don't need to go to the range and fire off .223 every week. The 1k rounds lasts the entire year. I picked up 1k rounds of green tips but again, I'll probably never use them. 1k .223 per year is plenty and I just wait for one of those chances to get them under .20 a round to buy.

.22lr is used up way faster than anticipated. I was thinking I'd buy 5k rounds and put them aside and just buy what I shoot. Nope. My kids and I can go through 2k rounds of .22lr every month. I can easily use up 25k rounds of .22lr per year. We only use them for fun. I don't hunt squirrel or rabbit but would be fine doing so. I literally buy .22lr every time I see it go on sale. I never thought I'd be the type to have 50k rounds of ammo at home but it goes so quick. I'll pick up a box of the better stuff to hide away but Federal and Remington get the job done for the right price.

Those are the only calibers that I was surprised by my usage. 500 each of other handgun ammo and 200 each of rifle caliber ammo is plenty. 500 shot gun shells on the shelf and buy when needed.
08-02-2019 07:16 PM
Fred Nietzsche 3-5 (thousand) for each of your main weps in there respective caliber (per person).

Estimated cost (per 1000 in USD):
9mm - 160
45ACP - 250
5.56 - 250
7.62 US - 550
7.62 AK - 180

Sub-Cal:
22 LR - 32 to 36
12 Ga Buck - 320
08-02-2019 06:50 PM
Sky1950 At the start of my planning decades ago, I wanted to have NATO/LEO calibers and that is where my stockpile is centered. 9mm, .308, .223, 12 ga, .38 spcl... I have other fun guns, 30-30,.30-06, etc. I only keep about 200 rounds for these fun guns. But I try to maintain 500 rounds for each of my NATO/LEO calibers.. My .22 has 5,000 rounds.

I figure if there is a bad emergency and I cant get more ammo with that stockpile, i am too bad a shot to have any ammo.
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