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01-08-2020 12:30 PM
Sneeky So I bought the Walther Q5 polymer, stuck a Vortex Venom on it, had it sighted in with 6 shots. Fired Federal and CCI 115 grain FMJ cheapo aluminum cased and brass cased ammo. In about 120 rounds I had not a single hiccup.

With the Federal ammo I was able to shoot 3 inch 5-shot groups from a rest and offhand at 25 yards.

For experienced shooters maybe that's no big deal. For me, is the best I have ever shot a centerfire handgun. I am delighted with the gun and the sight.
05-17-2019 12:28 PM
Sneeky
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Originally Posted by Israel Putnam View Post
If someone were buying their first handgun or only planned on owning one handgun I would never recommend one just due to the possible parts issues that could happen.
But if someone has other guns to fall back on or is OK with there potentially being an issue with a repair or parts then by all means yes I'd say try one out.
I truly appreciate the thorough response. Thank you.

Sometimes I buy a gun to play with knowing it isn't likely a hand-me-down to generations gun. And there are no true long-term guarantees no matter what gun you buy or from what manufacturer, just better odds in some cases.

But this one I'd like my son and grandson to both be able to inherit. Maybe the Walther polymer Q5 -- I can't afford the steel one and they are so back ordered it ain't funny anyway. It too has a ported slide -- would like to know how finicky or not (ammo wise) it might be.

Also, I wonder, are polymer pistols likely to have their polymers degrade significantly over decades with exposure to gun oils, cleaners, etc?
05-17-2019 09:26 AM
Disturbed70
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Originally Posted by justin22885 View Post
yeah, still cheaper than most your designer 1911s though which are really no better than a cheap RIA.. for the price, id rather have that over a dan wesson or a les baer

the polymer versions only about $650 though

the CZ P10F optics ready i think will be about $500 or so
I'm no 1911 fanboy, but there is no comparison between a true designer 1911 and a RIA. Not in any metric.
05-17-2019 09:22 AM
Disturbed70 The ammo weight "rules" PLA posted are a fairly good recommendation. You will have the occasional outlier, but those numbers are a good metric across multiple samples. They are based on "stock" parts. My Roland Special has not hiccupped under regular conditions with anything from 115 to 147 gr, running a stock RSA, but that is a relative rarity, based on a fairly large sample size. Using 115gr, it gets cranky if it starts to get dry, or extremely dirty. With 147gr, it takes a combo of extreme filth, dryness, and limp-wristing to get it to have issues.

For the most part, a lot of folks are having to experiment with different RSAs to get consistency with the lighter ammo, particularly when running a comp.
05-17-2019 09:14 AM
Disturbed70
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Originally Posted by justin22885 View Post
i just realized this thing existed a few days ago.. for less than the price of an overrated 1911.. yeah, added right to the top of "to buy" list... its the walther Q5, but with a steel frame


Those are ridiculously accurate. Bill Blowers has been posting up 100 10x B8's (from 25 yards) he's shooting with his. Of course a large part of that is being an excellent shooter, but 10x from a "stock" gun is insane.
05-16-2019 04:52 PM
Israel Putnam
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Originally Posted by Sneeky View Post
The Canik is interesting to me. Do you have any trouble with reliability with a red dot optic mounted and firing 115 gr std velocity/pressure ammo?
The TP9SFX has a ported slide,
IMO this reduction in weight negates the weight of the optic (the Vortex it comes with).

I currently have 2 Caniks here at the house, another on loan to my brother and I sold my first one which was a TP9SA.
All were "broken in" using 124gr Nato spec rounds and after that I've used a mix of 124's and 115's including cheap crappy steel cased junk.

The only problem I've had is with my thumb hitting the slide lock.
No ammo malfunctions.

My buddy has the same gun and he's running a Leupold on his and I know he buys the cheapest crap he can find for his and as far as I know he doesn't have any problems.

The trigger on these is amazing.
Yes really.
Compared to any other striker fired handgun I've ever shot it has by far the best out of the box trigger.
I know they did some sort of upgrade, severe duty something or the other and people have said it increases weight to 5+lbs.
Supposedly you can swap in a Glock safety plunger spring to lighten it back up.
Reset is very short, like less than a quarter of an inch short.

Accuracy is better than I can shoot.
Using my buddies ransom rest the SFX will make one hole easily.


Now, here's the rub with these things:
They have a limited lifetime warranty for the original purchaser.
They are imported by Century.
I would not count on long term parts or repair support just because of the Century connection.
The plastic feels "plasticky".
Not a huge choice of holsters out there and the one that comes with them is kinda crappy. You'll be looking for a sort of universal one or might find a handmade kydex type somewhere.

I have multiple Caniks, I have more than one gunsmith as a close friend, I own dozens of handguns, all this equals me knowing I could end up with a busted gun someday that I may have to have a part made for or that may render it scrap.
That's a choice I'm OK with considering the other qualities of these pistols.

If someone were buying their first handgun or only planned on owning one handgun I would never recommend one just due to the possible parts issues that could happen.
But if someone has other guns to fall back on or is OK with there potentially being an issue with a repair or parts then by all means yes I'd say try one out.
05-16-2019 12:26 PM
Sneeky
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Originally Posted by Israel Putnam View Post
I passed on a CZP10 for just that reason this past weekend and went with another Canik instead.

Iím starting to stock up on suppressor ready handguns for when mine gets out of ATF jail.
The Canik is interesting to me. Do you have any trouble with reliability with a red dot optic mounted and firing 115 gr std velocity/pressure ammo?
05-15-2019 09:18 PM
Israel Putnam
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Originally Posted by PLA View Post
This is exactly why I don't post on this site much anymore
To be fair, you really didnít explain it well to someone who is new to the whole thing.

Your post was kind of hard for me to follow and Iím not inexperienced in running microdots on autoloaders.
05-15-2019 07:36 PM
PLA This is exactly why I don't post on this site much anymore
05-15-2019 12:51 PM
Sneeky
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What Im telling you is if you add weight to a slide you should consider physics instead of the hype.

Longer barrels are better with heavier bullets, I explained it well. Don't throw the advantage of a longer barrel away shooting a lighter HP bullet.


Or do what you want, I obviously wasted my time with you
And what I'm telling you is any full-size 9mm handgun I own, or have owned, or have ever seen, even a cheapo Taurus, have all worked well with cheap, $8 a box 115 gr FMJ ammo, most even ran well with < 100 gr HP ammo!

Forget velocity, HP expansion, bullet performance, etc. for a minute. If the gun won't run reliably with any 115 gr factory ammo I don't want it.
05-15-2019 11:29 AM
biathlon https://www.google.com/search?source...31.LpMM8N4Clck
Add the Trijicon RMR and you're done. It'll accept the "happy sticks" too
05-14-2019 10:47 PM
justin22885 i really would like to have one suppressor and optics ready pistol
05-14-2019 08:05 PM
Israel Putnam
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Originally Posted by AK103K View Post
As long as you dont want to suppress it.

Seems to be a pretty well-known issue, that requires some break-in. The one I had did pretty much break-in, it went from being a single shot to occasional, but still somewhat regular stoppages, but still was having issues when I got rid of it.
I passed on a CZP10 for just that reason this past weekend and went with another Canik instead.

Iím starting to stock up on suppressor ready handguns for when mine gets out of ATF jail.
05-14-2019 06:30 PM
PLA
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Originally Posted by Sneeky View Post
Well I have mostly 115 gr ammo stocked and never had a hiccup in function of a 92FS or P89, but you're saying the 1.2 ounce weight of an optic makes operation of a Glock with 115 gr ammo unreliable? Is this unique to Glocks? Seems awfully finicky for a gun that is supposed to be the epitome of reliable.
What Im telling you is if you add weight to a slide you should consider physics instead of the hype.

Longer barrels are better with heavier bullets, I explained it well. Don't throw the advantage of a longer barrel away shooting a lighter HP bullet.


Or do what you want, I obviously wasted my time with you
05-14-2019 06:14 PM
AK103K
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Originally Posted by justin22885 View Post
those look pretty nice.. and the F series slides fit right on the C series frames with no gap, you could buy a CZ P-10C and put an optics ready F slide on it and have a pretty badass combo
As long as you dont want to suppress it.

Seems to be a pretty well-known issue, that requires some break-in. The one I had did pretty much break-in, it went from being a single shot to occasional, but still somewhat regular stoppages, but still was having issues when I got rid of it.
05-14-2019 04:23 PM
flatlander11b I have the MOS 19's and a milled 19. I prefer the milled as it's a more secure mount and slightly lower but I've had no problems with the MOS either.
I've shot a couple of thousand rounds thru each with no problems. I have Trijicon RMR's on all 3.

Bob
05-14-2019 01:20 PM
justin22885
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Originally Posted by Sneeky View Post
And waaay over $1000 for just the gun. Like $1600
yeah, still cheaper than most your designer 1911s though which are really no better than a cheap RIA.. for the price, id rather have that over a dan wesson or a les baer

the polymer versions only about $650 though

the CZ P10F optics ready i think will be about $500 or so
05-14-2019 01:08 PM
Sneeky
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Originally Posted by justin22885 View Post
i just realized this thing existed a few days ago.. for less than the price of an overrated 1911.. yeah, added right to the top of "to buy" list... its the walther Q5, but with a steel frame


And waaay over $1000 for just the gun. Like $1600
05-14-2019 01:06 PM
Sneeky
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Originally Posted by PLA View Post

At times, a red dot on a 17 length slide is known to be less than reliable with cheap or under powered ammo. The same can be said with 115gr or lighter bullets.

Glocks with an RMR attached run best with 124gr or heavier bullets.

A 5 inch barreled 9mm should be matched with 147gr HP ammo, red dot or not
4 inch barrels run a 124 gr HP
3 inch or less a 115 gr HP

These are found to be reliable bullet weight HP for expansion in the barrel length noted. Shorter barrels mean less velocity,so a lighter bullet means more reliable expansion.
Well I have mostly 115 gr ammo stocked and never had a hiccup in function of a 92FS or P89, but you're saying the 1.2 ounce weight of an optic makes operation of a Glock with 115 gr ammo unreliable? Is this unique to Glocks? Seems awfully finicky for a gun that is supposed to be the epitome of reliable.
05-14-2019 12:58 AM
PLA
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Originally Posted by Jlrhiner View Post
How do the optics hold up under the constant banging?
3 RMR running now, I just ordered 2 more. 1 is going on a 460 SW X frame. I have great faith in Trijicon, they have never broken or hiccupped for me. I believe I have 9 Trijicon products now, and waiting on 2 more.

They all are consistent in their performance, that's why I spend the money for more.

Buy once, cry once.
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