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09-16-2019 07:41 AM
larrykbrown How many fish do you need to stock a pond?
05-25-2017 10:18 PM
Mrpokey What you need to do depends on what your trying to do with your pond. I work closely with out local Fisheries Biologist as I work for the city as a Park Ranger. IF your solely looking to use your pond for food, stocking bluegill, fathead minnows and crappie will work well. The crappie will take over the pond as they overpopulate quickly in small bodies of water, and will be stunted. These fish would still be big enough to eat, could be caught in large numbers easily, and would repopulate quickly. If your looking to use your pond for sport fishing, bass, bluegill and even the koi would be great. The bass once they get 14 inches or so will eat up those koi quickly, then move on to the bluegill as the koi populaion declines, The fewer bass in the pond the bigger they will get, the more bass in the pond the smaller they'll get. I wouldn't recommend poisoning the pond, as if you don't do it correctly, it could destroy the pond, and take a long time to recover. Fish traps, different kinds of nets, or asking to local biologist to electroshock the pond would be productive. You could also ask a few locals that fish to bring you some bigger bass, say 4 - 5 lbs + to put in the pond, those big fish can eat big koi easily.
05-23-2017 09:52 PM
htfiremedic Nice work. Ours is 2.5 acresish. Spring fed, we fertilize it every so often to aid with algae growth, and feed some. We have ducks that are tamies, so the stay close. Good natural decoys too....


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05-23-2017 02:05 PM
wtr100
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Originally Posted by tomclay98 View Post
I have seen them use black walnuts that were still in the green husk. Fill half a burlap feed sack with them tie it off with a long rope, bash the sack on the ground and threw it into the water. it brings the fish to the surface and will go back to normal after the sack is removed.
sort of drugs them then?
05-23-2017 01:04 PM
tomclay98 I have seen them use black walnuts that were still in the green husk. Fill half a burlap feed sack with them tie it off with a long rope, bash the sack on the ground and threw it into the water. it brings the fish to the surface and will go back to normal after the sack is removed.
05-22-2017 11:47 PM
kayakjohn
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Originally Posted by Guntoteninfadel View Post
usually they are ok if you are EXPANDING the wet land, more land for them to own I guess
yup... apologized for my earlier comments that were quoted, i should have avoided commenting and will refrain from doing so in the future. thank you.
05-22-2017 10:11 PM
Guntoteninfadel
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New member here, mostly just lurking, but I wanted to mention an aspect to this situation that might be a legal issue, i dont know, im not a lawyer. Even if you win in the end, you lose, mostly money as well as your time & energy fighting the Powers that be.

ANY and ALL wetlands are under the jurisdiction of the EPA, and even if they're not, they still maintain that they "own" it as a grossly overreaching government agency. There have been several instances where land owners have, without agency permission, changed, modified, created, or filled in wetlands and have met with the full force of the "law". I dont know if this includes adding/subtracting fish species, or amphibian/other species that have come to depend on the pond including any "endangered" ones, or even soil & run off situations. The EPA/Dept of Agriculture can find numerous ways to ruin someone's day.

built his own: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...-property.html

totally screwed up private property situation with EPA: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...-over-wetland/

Article of agency overreach : https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/...ds-war-part-3/

be careful, hope it works out!
usually they are ok if you are EXPANDING the wet land, more land for them to own I guess
05-22-2017 10:10 PM
Guntoteninfadel
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Originally Posted by East Coast Woods View Post
Do they still shock ponds? Know they use to in order to take counts of species. Some could be removed while those species worthwhile could be left
where I liver there are "pond management companies", how you get that job IDK..... but they have shock boats and if you have a decent sized pond or lake they come out as part of their deal to take a census.
05-22-2017 09:34 PM
East Coast Woods Do they still shock ponds? Know they use to in order to take counts of species. Some could be removed while those species worthwhile could be left
03-19-2017 10:32 PM
kayakjohn
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Originally Posted by wtr100 View Post
you're reading a LOT into it - very rarely did the EPA get involved to the level you are talking about
ok cool.................
03-19-2017 01:27 PM
wtr100
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Originally Posted by kayakjohn View Post
New member here, mostly just lurking, but I wanted to mention an aspect to this situation that might be a legal issue, i dont know, im not a lawyer. Even if you win in the end, you lose, mostly money as well as your time & energy fighting the Powers that be.

ANY and ALL wetlands are under the jurisdiction of the EPA, and even if they're not, they still maintain that they "own" it as a grossly overreaching government agency. There have been several instances where land owners have, without agency permission, changed, modified, created, or filled in wetlands and have met with the full force of the "law". I dont know if this includes adding/subtracting fish species, or amphibian/other species that have come to depend on the pond including any "endangered" ones, or even soil & run off situations. The EPA/Dept of Agriculture can find numerous ways to ruin someone's day.

built his own: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...-property.html

totally screwed up private property situation with EPA: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...-over-wetland/

Article of agency overreach : https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/...ds-war-part-3/

be careful, hope it works out!
you're reading a LOT into it - very rarely did the EPA get involved to the level you are talking about
03-17-2017 01:39 PM
kayakjohn New member here, mostly just lurking, but I wanted to mention an aspect to this situation that might be a legal issue, i dont know, im not a lawyer. Even if you win in the end, you lose, mostly money as well as your time & energy fighting the Powers that be.

ANY and ALL wetlands are under the jurisdiction of the EPA, and even if they're not, they still maintain that they "own" it as a grossly overreaching government agency. There have been several instances where land owners have, without agency permission, changed, modified, created, or filled in wetlands and have met with the full force of the "law". I dont know if this includes adding/subtracting fish species, or amphibian/other species that have come to depend on the pond including any "endangered" ones, or even soil & run off situations. The EPA/Dept of Agriculture can find numerous ways to ruin someone's day.

built his own: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...-property.html

totally screwed up private property situation with EPA: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...-over-wetland/

Article of agency overreach : https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/...ds-war-part-3/

be careful, hope it works out!
03-17-2017 07:52 AM
iyaayas Only way I'd ever stock an overly aggressive fish like bass is if I wasn't going to harvest fish for eating. Bass are voracious eaters and will often eat and kill other fish just for the hell of it.

In such a small body of water your other fish will find it difficult to avoid bass. They will have a hard time spawning and eventually you will have to cut the bass population back if you want other species to thrive.

For a sustainable pond with good numbers of eating fish I go with channel cats and panfish. Once your cat's get big enough they will eat some of your panfish, especially fry, but aren't overly aggressive like bass. Plus, if there's easier prey like crawdads, frogs, bugs in abundance cats will usually go after these first before messing with panfish. Channel cats can be predatory but usually only resort to it when easier meals just aren't available. If they can scavenge they will.

Don't mess with flatheads. Lots of people actually don't know but flatheads are predators. They prefer live fish over anything else. Given the choice between a dead bluegill and a live one I've found that flatheads will go after the live fish like 95% of the time. And they get big. Real big.

It really depends on what you want. If you want game fish, stock em and have fun with em. If you want a good supply of good eating fish stock them and keep predators to a minimum or none at all. Long as your going to control the fish populations yourself there's no need for predators.

You can of course eat predators. Especially bass. I do. But you just won't get the numbers out of a pond filled with bass as you would with less aggressive species like panfish and channel cats.
03-15-2017 09:40 PM
Bowhunter23 I put the bass in last year and also channel catfish. Koi are about 2-6 inch long.
03-15-2017 09:25 PM
IceFire You might want to use a net to remove the koi and put them (temporarily) in a large plastic stock tank, then SELL the suckers. Around here, large koi sell for several hundred dollars each. Smaller ones aren't as much, but can still be fairly pricey. Get rid of the koi and make some money, as well!
03-15-2017 07:08 PM
Runamok I would let it go for a while and see what happens. How long have the bass been in there? Those catfish should be growing well with all those koi in there as well. What type of catfish?
03-15-2017 07:07 PM
NCalHippie I'm thinking that the bass should be able to take care of the problem once they get big enough. Catfish and crayfish should help keep the population down also.
03-15-2017 06:51 PM
Rushlight TPWD use koi as forage for bass, so leaving them in there for the bass to eat is a good idea. When they start getting too big for the bass to eat, then consider removing them by other methods (bowfishing being the most fun). I'd stay away from the rotenone and tannerite.
03-15-2017 05:40 PM
Nitromater Balancing ponds can be a bitch. I have an 18 acre pond that was stocked with channel catfish, Brim and Large Mouth. The pond is half at 4 to 5 feet deep and half at 10 to 12 feet deep. Brim and Bass are breeding and growing well. Cats are living but don't seem to be breeding. Somehow, probably overflow from our reservoir, Black Crappie have made it to the pond. They are big but they really affect the bass population so we let locals fish them out. I don't feed these as it is a fairly well functioning ecosystem with good cattail, bull rush and lily pad population. We do feed at a couple smaller ponds that are all catfish and brim.

Other issue we have is gators during the warm seasons and river otters in the winter. Otters oil fish for fun and i have lost, that we have found, a dozen bass between 4 and 8 lbs. AR with a nice scope and a lot of patience helps with them but a new batch shows up every winter.

Alge has been a problem the last 2 years with the terrible hot weather and drought during the late summer. Going to try to shock that out this year without too much damage to the fishery.

This is a part of our TEOTWAWKI plan along with a couple more on family property.

Our DWFP (DNR to others) is real helpful with pond planning and management information.
03-15-2017 11:12 AM
wtr100
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Pond is fed from a couple springs and a tile from the field. Was a mild winter this year but did not have any fish kill.
springs are good - should keep the water cool so you don't have a big turn over when the pond gets hot and you get a cold rain on top
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