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12-01-2019 07:41 AM
Measuretwice I think the half left want to get rid of guns so that no one can hurt them when they go out to hurt others. The other half think its wrong to hurt people who are trying to hurt you, when the criminals are poor, or addicts or not citizens.
11-30-2019 12:30 PM
The Old Coach Why are anti-gun liberals so much in love with violence?

Or, why are violently disposed liberals so much in love with gun prohibition?

Projection. "I can't control my violent urges, so remove from the world all the tools that I might use to act out my fantasies."
11-30-2019 12:20 PM
Lagnar
A leftoid rant on farcebook

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You *can* legislate culture. You just don’t have the guts to do it. Prohibition was half-assed. The war on drugs is half-assed. Let me tell you how you *actually* get guns banned.

You use the ****ing data that the NSA has. You check membership in gun clubs, you check the surveillance footage to see who’s a regular at shooting ranges. You check the people who are associated with the NRA. You get yourself a good long list of the people in America who love guns.

Then at random, regular intervals, you do spot checks on them. Stop-and-Frisk them in the streets, get warrants and search their houses, monitor their online activities. Conduct raids and spot checks.

And when you inevitably catch these ****ers with banned material? You don’t haul them into a cushy prison. Once the gavel comes down, you haul their asses into the town square or the main road or whatever the local equivalent is and you execute them. Make sure everyone sees. Make sure they get a good, hard look at the fate that awaits those that disobey the law.

Perform this ritual thrice a month or more for the length of a full year, and we see how many black markets people try to set up, how many Mafia members try to muscle in, with the threat of summary detention, with the threat of public execution.

And if people rebel? If people get angry and erupt into civil war? Then you put them down. I do not care if they are MAGA NRA members or poor black people trying to scrape a living. Those who violate the law have no place in civilized society.

Perform things as I lay out, and I guarantee you that America will be free of guns in a year’s time. Except you won’t because you ******* that care more about civil liberties than properly enforcing legislation.
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Alison Aires wants a tyrannical government. They want summary execution for private possession of firearms.
http://blog.joehuffman.org/2018/02/2...#more-10035666
11-26-2019 07:59 AM
AZ_HighCountry Should the President win reelection, it would be wise to be prepared accordingly. The left will not accept another four years of President Trump, especially if they return to the minority in the House which is a very strong possibility based on recent polling numbers.
11-25-2019 10:32 PM
dropshot Things cannot continue the way they are. Unfortunate but I suspect something is coming.
11-25-2019 08:53 AM
merlinfire
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Originally Posted by The Old Coach View Post
What the leftist fascists insist on calling "the far right" is just another flavor of fascism.

Didja know the Mussolini was a Communist before he invented Fascism? Yup!
The problem is that the people the far left are calling fascists are less conservative than their grandfathers were when they landed on Normandy's beaches.
11-22-2019 12:26 PM
The Old Coach What the leftist fascists insist on calling "the far right" is just another flavor of fascism.

Didja know the Mussolini was a Communist before he invented Fascism? Yup!
11-22-2019 12:19 PM
Gordon Randal As used by the left (democrats/communists) "progressive" has specific connotations.

Their plan is to move toward their goals, progressing a step at a time, always "forward", never back.

The goals include, but not limited to, overthrowing the American government, destroying the Constitutional rights enumerated and installing a communist dictatorship.

Virulent members of the left call for violent revolution to take a "great step forward" and get it done quickly. A minor roadblock to that plan is a "few" million armed citizens who might get in their way. That is why the all fronts push for disarmament.

The left has no regard for human life, men, women or children. If they did something might get done that would actually protect children in their schools....to say nothing about millions of babies. So when they get total command there will be the "normal" purge to get rid of "undesirables".

You can probably make a list of those groups who would be included.

In the 1960s communists radicals estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people to "cleanse" the population. The population is about double now and I suspect their estimate of the percentage has increased.

That is the definition you need to worry about.

Be Prepared !
11-22-2019 11:43 AM
tedlovesjeeps71
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Originally Posted by ClovisMan View Post
fascism[ fash-iz-uh m ]SHOW IPA
SEE SYNONYMS FOR fascism ON THESAURUS.COM
noun
(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
(sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
(initial capital letter) a political movement that employs the principles and methods of fascism, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.
The only facist movement I see growing is antifa and they are progressive lefties.[/QUOTE]



“The antifa (/ćnˈtiːfə, ˈćntiˌfɑː/)[1] movement is composed of left-wing, autonomous, militant anti-fascist[7] groups and individuals in the United States.[11] The principal feature of antifa groups is their use of direct action,[12] with conflicts occurring both online and in real life.[13] They engage in varied protest tactics, which include digital activism, property damage, physical violence, and harassment against those whom they identify as fascist, racist, or on the far-right.[20]

Activists involved in the movement tend to be anti-capitalists[21] and subscribe to a range of ideologies, typically on the left. They include anarchists, socialists and communists along with some liberals and social democrats.[28] Their stated focus is on fighting far-right and white supremacist ideologies directly, rather than through electoral means.”

Notice the last line. Not willing to use electoral means, instead relying on direct action. Be it Social media or physical action, the real danger to our Republic starts with groups such as this.
11-22-2019 11:31 AM
ClovisMan fascism[ fash-iz-uh m ]SHOW IPA
SEE SYNONYMS FOR fascism ON THESAURUS.COM
noun
(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
(sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
(initial capital letter) a political movement that employs the principles and methods of fascism, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by PAMedic View Post
I'm less worried about to falling to fascism then Communism.

Although there is a growing, pro-american fascist movement. Some elements are racist, and some are not, as fascism is not by default a racist political philosophy.
The only facist movement I see growing is antifa and they are progressive lefties.

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fascism[ fash-iz-uh m ]SHOW IPA
SEE SYNONYMS FOR fascism ON THESAURUS.COM
noun
(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
(sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
(initial capital letter) a political movement that employs the principles and methods of fascism, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.
11-22-2019 11:07 AM
tedlovesjeeps71
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Originally Posted by PAMedic View Post
I'm less worried about to falling to fascism then Communism.



Although there is a growing, pro-american fascist movement. Some elements are racist, and some are not, as fascism is not by default a racist political philosophy.


Why do you think the left has been ratcheting up their talk/labeling of people as “white nationalists”?
Somewhere in the confusing matrix that is human thought, people will share some ideas but not all. The left knows how thin their agenda is when confronted by those who prefer freedom and liberty so they “lump” anyone who disagrees with even one of their agendas as a racist/phobic/etc. The harder they push the more who will lean deeper away from them. Some may loose themselves and become actual racists and it will be they who are spotlighted by the left.
11-22-2019 05:23 AM
PAMedic
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It all depends on how far the regular guy is willing to let it go. Right now we have far left and far right going at it. Much like the Years of Lead in Italy first there will be shootings, then bombings, then assassinations. A continued escalation. How far are we, the regular guy, willing to let it go. If we dont stop it another Republic will fall to facism.

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I'm less worried about to falling to fascism then Communism.

Although there is a growing, pro-american fascist movement. Some elements are racist, and some are not, as fascism is not by default a racist political philosophy.
11-21-2019 07:57 PM
Cornly2
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Originally Posted by ForgedInTheFlame View Post
And I'll argue the far left will lose CWII and lose catastrophically. There will be a genocide of socialist and communist ideology and all who lift a finger metaphorically or literally against the republic for which we stand will be erased from the earth and her history.

Freedom will prevail and the tree of freedom will be lush and green from the generous monsoon of socialist bloodshed.

Change my mind!

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This is where we agree and disagree with the "progressive" thing.

For us to win we must understand our enemy. They believe in the utter righteousness of their cause. They seem to truly believe that their progressive beliefs are forward thinking and the best for all humanity.
They always see it as positive and a perfect way forward. They see no regression in these beliefs.

Not seeing the negatives in their progressive beliefs is the very core of the problem. They simply cannot and will not see that progressive political thought only results in the rest of humanity's slavery. Free speech itself is already dead. Sovereignty, dead. The right to defend oneself, dead. Apparently even our right to vote is dead. Whether the US or the UK, if we vote wrong then "progress" will fix that either through false hearings or outright ignoring of the peoples will. All of this is in the name of progress. Give it time because soon enough you and I will be a mere footnote to "progress".

Even the most basic look at progress is to admit to leave "something" behind and move to a destination. We are the ones left behind, something always is. Is the destination truly better? As far as I can see no, it isn't. Simply moving forward isn't always positive. I can progress towards the sun but eventually it's gonna have a negative outcome.
11-21-2019 07:26 PM
hawk55732
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Originally Posted by ForgedInTheFlame View Post
And I'll argue the far left will lose CWII and lose catastrophically. There will be a genocide of socialist and communist ideology and all who lift a finger metaphorically or literally against the republic for which we stand will be erased from the earth and her history.

Freedom will prevail and the tree of freedom will be lush and green from the generous monsoon of socialist bloodshed.

Change my mind!

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Perhaps, that has what to do with what the last several posts are about?
11-21-2019 07:24 PM
ForgedInTheFlame
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Originally Posted by hawk55732 View Post
I never said anything about socialism. However, I will argue that progress can be in the eye of the beholder.
And I'll argue the far left will lose CWII and lose catastrophically. There will be a genocide of socialist and communist ideology and all who lift a finger metaphorically or literally against the republic for which we stand will be erased from the earth and her history.

Freedom will prevail and the tree of freedom will be lush and green from the generous monsoon of socialist bloodshed.

Change my mind!

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11-21-2019 06:58 PM
hawk55732
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Originally Posted by ForgedInTheFlame View Post
Forward or onward movement toward a destination.

Move forward or onward in space or time.

Advance or develop toward a better, more complete, or modern state.

Progress is always a positive, if it is real progress, in any medium.

I can move faster between A and B with wheels over on foot or horse back: progress

I can hit my target more reliably, lethally, and more often with a firearm than with a bow: progress

I can do more pushups today than 6 months ago: progress

I have discovered a new energy source and have figured out how to use it efficiently: progress

It isn't opinion, progression can be measured.

Thus, no, you can't argue socialism is progress. Just like you can't argue that the earth is flat. You can say so, but hot air is just hot air.

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I never said anything about socialism. However, I will argue that progress can be in the eye of the beholder.
11-21-2019 06:50 PM
ForgedInTheFlame
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Originally Posted by hawk55732 View Post
What is the definition that you are using?
Forward or onward movement toward a destination.

Move forward or onward in space or time.

Advance or develop toward a better, more complete, or modern state.

Progress is always a positive, if it is real progress, in any medium.

I can move faster between A and B with wheels over on foot or horse back: progress

I can hit my target more reliably, lethally, and more often with a firearm than with a bow: progress

I can do more pushups today than 6 months ago: progress

I have discovered a new energy source and have figured out how to use it efficiently: progress

It isn't opinion, progression can be measured.

Thus, no, you can't argue socialism is progress. Just like you can't argue that the earth is flat. You can say so, but hot air is just hot air.

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11-21-2019 06:28 PM
tedlovesjeeps71 Gay used to mean something normal before the “progressives” absconded with it.
11-21-2019 06:24 PM
hawk55732
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Originally Posted by ForgedInTheFlame View Post
Nope, it has a definition. Opinions have nothing to do with it.

Far too often people get absorbed in what a term or phrase means in a particular climate such as politics, when I use words as they mean, irrespective of the scope of the conversation. This is why people can't let some of my posts go and want to argue about random nonsense. I often address a post and what it means or says, but that can be isolated from the scope of the thread or greater conversation, some people just have a hard time divorcing them.

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What is the definition that you are using?
11-21-2019 06:21 PM
ForgedInTheFlame
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Originally Posted by hawk55732 View Post
So basically progress is only what you think it is.
Nope, it has a definition. Opinions have nothing to do with it.

Far too often people get absorbed in what a term or phrase means in a particular climate such as politics, when I use words as they mean, irrespective of the scope of the conversation. This is why people can't let some of my posts go and want to argue about random nonsense. I often address a post and what it means or says, but that can be isolated from the scope of the thread or greater conversation, some people just have a hard time divorcing them.

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