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Old 02-24-2010, 10:37 AM
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Just wanted to hear some of you thoughts on the possibility of gun confiscation if/but more likely when martial law is declared for any number of reasons ["Terrorist" attack, economic collapse, etc]
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Just wanted to hear some of you thoughts on the possibility of gun confiscation if/but more likely when martial law is declared for any number of reasons ["Terrorist" attack, economic collapse, etc]
No way. This has never happened in the past and cannot happen in the future.

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Fortunately, some 20 states or so have specific laws on the books forbidding this practice (call it the Katrina law). Unfortunately, Colorado isn't one of them.

In a nutshell, I think this is VERY likely, especially given how some state leadership politicians have a deep-rooted fear of guns. Scary stuff.
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Good article about this: http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...ad.aspx?id=191
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I think it's pretty likely the way things are going. That said, good luck enforcing it. Especially considering how preoccupied law enforcement will be with other aspects in a disaster/martial law scenario. I think that the Katrina precedence came from property owners actively defending and inadvertently engaging authorities and from a fringe group shooting at helicopters etc. Anyway, I certainly hope we don't go down that road.

It's worse here in Canada since everything is severely registered and tracked.

Here is an interesting article from the Toronto Star (which you may have seen): The cops came and took my gun
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Just wanted to hear some of you thoughts on the possibility of gun confiscation if/but more likely when martial law is declared for any number of reasons ["Terrorist" attack, economic collapse, etc]
If your worried about that, maybe you need to vote a little different in the next elections? Or at the very least, help get some pro-gun people in office.

After the fiasco that happened in new orleans, a lot of states passed laws forbidding the confiscation of firearms. I think Texas was one of the states that passed such a law.

If nothing else, approach your city council and ask them to pass a resolution that would prohibit gun confiscations. If they refuse, then you know who to vote out of office.
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Fortunately, some 20 states or so have specific laws on the books forbidding this practice (call it the Katrina law). Unfortunately, Colorado isn't one of them.

In a nutshell, I think this is VERY likely, especially given how some state leadership politicians have a deep-rooted fear of guns. Scary stuff.
Does state law supercede Federal mandate, under FEDERAL martial law?? just wondering how it works in the US!! Its great if you live in a state that has these laws, but if the FED can just come and decide "no, too bad" that kinda sucks.

Up here in canada, if martial law was declared, in a SHTF event, I'm sure we would loose our guns. we dont have the equivalent of a constitutional guarantee to bear arms. Or maybe not, we actually have a higher gun ownership per capita than you guys, so it might be tough to enforce here.
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Fortunately, some 20 states or so have specific laws on the books forbidding this practice (call it the Katrina law). Unfortunately, Colorado isn't one of them.

In a nutshell, I think this is VERY likely, especially given how some state leadership politicians have a deep-rooted fear of guns. Scary stuff.
I think in those states, it's a lot less likely than before. Sure, they can disobey the law and confiscate anyway, but the problem this time is that the populace knows they're disobeying the law. They're far more likely to resist. I wish the other states would come around and pass similar laws.
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I think it's pretty likely the way things are going. That said, good luck enforcing it. Especially considering how preoccupied law enforcement will be with other aspects in a disaster/martial law scenario. I think that the Katrina precedence came from property owners actively defending and inadvertently engaging authorities and from a fringe group shooting at helicopters etc. Anyway, I certainly hope we don't go down that road.

It's worse here in Canada since everything is severely registered and tracked.

Here is an interesting article from the Toronto Star (which you may have seen): The cops came and took my gun

YUP ohh CANADA!!! The place where only CRMINALS have Guns.
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Well if it comes down to martial law, even your food or water could be confiscated if they actually wanted. Legally? Perhaps not; but anyone with any knowledge or experience of LE or military in this type of situation should understand there are rogue groups or units of people who will abuse their powers.

This occurs in every conflict...

Like your food preps or anything else, be prepared to hide them in a secure local.
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Does state law supercede Federal mandate, under FEDERAL martial law??
There are some posts on here that detail that the Federal government can not constitutionally declare martial law. The constitution allows no provision for the suspension of of rights and enumerates no power to the government to declare suspension of any rights.

Bottom line, if martial law is declared, both the declarer and enforcer are acting outside of constitutional authority, what makes you think a petty law will stop them? The only thing that will stop them is the whole of the armed population to stand up and say 'no' That's why the 2nd amendment is so important.

Unfortunately as we saw in Katrina, the mayor acted outside his authority to confiscate weapons, the police/national guard carried out unlawful orders, the few people who attempted to resist were arrested and thier homes ransacked anyway. It didn't end until the NRA stepped in. Had the whole populace of N.O. stood up and said 'no' together, then maybe things would have been different.
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Unfortunately as we saw in Katrina, the mayor acted outside his authority to confiscate weapons, the police/national guard carried out unlawful orders, the few people who attempted to resist were arrested and thier homes ransacked anyway. It didn't end until the NRA stepped in. Had the whole populace of N.O. stood up and said 'no' together, then maybe things would have been different.
The problem is that the vast majority of folks in this great nation can't even agree on the color of ****e let alone on reinforcing their own constitutional rights.

Frankly if TSHTF tomorrow and the Fed declared martial law .... I can see mass collections of weapons without so much of a whimper ....
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Fortunately, some 20 states or so have specific laws on the books forbidding this practice (call it the Katrina law). Unfortunately, Colorado isn't one of them.

In a nutshell, I think this is VERY likely, especially given how some state leadership politicians have a deep-rooted fear of guns. Scary stuff.
You wouldn't happen to have a list of those 20 states would you?
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The possiblility of confiscation is a prime cause for having a "dummy" stash and a "good" cache.
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I don't have any guns .... I sold 'em all to Frank ..... or was that Fred ? I really can't remember , its been so long ago . So sorry , no guns here ...
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I think it would depend on your location more tha anything else, city folk, probably. Country folks, doubtful, all the more reason to move out of the city.
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There are some posts on here that detail that the Federal government can not constitutionally declare martial law. The constitution allows no provision for the suspension of of rights and enumerates no power to the government to declare suspension of any rights.
Didn't Lincoln do just this sort of thing?

While the National Guard did confiscate guns they only did it in a small section of New Orleans. And New Orleans isn't that big a city. I can't see any way, logistically, that they can do that to all cities at them same time or even one major city completely. And they'd have to do it without the word getting out which was fairly easy in NO because they didn't have electricity for TVs or radios.
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The news and communication aspect of SHTF has always been paramount in my mind.
As a well rounded prepper, I just don't understand why people ALWAYS overlook the simplicity & battery-free aspect of crystal radios for news.
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I don't see this happening in Utah, but if you live in Chicago, NY, L.A., etc. it has a pretty good shot of occurring on some scale.
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