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Old 02-02-2010, 05:04 PM
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I'm looking to get into longer range rifle shooting in the future, and I've been looking a lot at Thomson/Center rifles .308 cal (http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/icon_warlord.php) But I'm willing to buy any rifle for the job. What is the best caliber for 500+ yard shooting?

* I should have asked if people who are experienced with long range shooting and precision shooting (sniping) would consider this gun ( http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/icon_...TitleBlockFull ) a good choice and if .308 is a good cal to get the job done (take down a human at 500+)? -added 2/3/10
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Here's a 6mmbr.com article on 1000 Yd rifles:

http://www.6mmbr.com/1000ydpg01.html

Make sure to check part 2

Usual Disclaimer: I couldn't shoot accurately at that distance if my life depended on it, so take it for what it is.
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I personally know 1000 yard competition shooters that use .308 caliber rifles, and they use (at least some of the time) .308 rifles.

If you are talking about post-crash shooting out to 750-1000 metres, go with the .308.
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Old 02-02-2010, 05:52 PM
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Many calibers will reliably reach out past 500 meters.

I shoot with 5.56 out at 600 meters with 77 gr SMK handloads out a 1 in 7 barrel.

I personally could never ID a friend or foe at even that distance, so I think there will be limited usefulness of long range shooting SHTF in defensive tactics unless someone else takes the first shot at that range.

If SHTF, I imaging openly carrying a weapon will be more 'normal', so just because someone is walking up on your position with one, doesn't automatically make them the enemy.

I agree that .308 (or 7.62X54R) and to a lesser extent, 30-06 will be cheapest to practice and very effective if you're looking for something that will reach out to 600-1000 meters.

Really can't beat a .50 BMG for those 1000 yard+ shots, though. Too bad you'll need to mortgage your first born to own one and feed it.
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All kinds of math gets involved, coefficients of drag, coefficients of coefficentness, weight, velocity, makes my head hurt.

But the bigger and heavier the bullet the more your shoulder is gonna hurt, cause its gotta go faaaast to get there accurately and not have wandered all over or dropped 35 feet. Bullets travel through the air, and the longer it takes them to get there, the more influence winds and gravity has on it!

So alot of serious folks use smaller calibers at higher velocities for long ranges, like the various custom 6.5mm rounds especially. Some still go with .30 calibers, those guys are hairy chested beasts!! BOOOOM BOOOOOM!! They sometimes mock the 6.5mm crowd, tea sipping weenies!! Me, I thought the 6.5 crowd was pretty smart myself - going home without looking like a baseball bat assault victim on their shoulder after a long range session, but then again I like to sip tea!!

I haven't been involved much in long range shooting though in a few years, so people please feel free to correct me... time marches on and fashions change - are they still using 6.5 in the various wildcats off the .284 and /06 and .308, etc?

Get you an Encore and you can get just about any chambering you want.

FYI: For me, a nice .25 bore is a really good long range rifle, .257 Roberts, .25-06, and maybe .257 Weatherby Mag ... all very nice long range rounds for casual shooting, not competition stuff. They won't pound your shoulder into jelly in a long range session either, and you've a much better chance at finding ammo for them at WalMart than anything from the 6.5mm selection.
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i shoot my rem 700 223 out to 600-700yards almost weekly, great fun at a fraction of the price of the other cals...
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6.5 x .284, 300 Win Mag, 308 Win, 30-06. A lot of the wind bucking 30's are pretty good as well.
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Just read a post about the .260rem... very impressive little round. I wasn't aware they had standardized the 6.5-08 !!!

That would be a great factory alternative to a heavy kicking .300mag for really long ranged shooting.
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Probably the most accurate long range production platform in the world... Cheytac in their .408. It comes with its own ballistics computer.
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I think it depends on how much you want the rifle to weigh and how much recoil you are willing to handle. I started with a Sako action barreled in 7 stw. I found I could load 168g matchkings to 3400 f/s with decent accuracy. But I also restocked it with an oversized thumbhole laminate stock for a total wt of 12.5 lbs to control the recoil.

The folks shooting smaller bores or smaller cartridges can shoot lighter wt guns without pain.
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I'm looking to get into longer range rifle shooting in the future, and I've been looking a lot at Thomson/Center rifles .308 cal (http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/icon_warlord.php) But I'm willing to buy any rifle for the job. What is the best caliber for 500+ yard shooting?
You are leaving out ALOT of details, that would help us more accurately answer your question.

Is this just for punching paper & ringing steel? Is this for hunting? or is it dual purpose? Will you mainly be shooting 500yds, or will you stretching the wings and going to extreme distances, 1200yds+?

Have you ever shot before? Do you reload?

If most of your shooting is going to be done @ 500yds then the options are pretty much endless.

.204, .220, .22-250, .223, .223AI, .243, .257, .260, .270, .25-06, 6.5x47, 6.5 Creedmore, 6.5 Grendal, 6.5x55, .284, 7stw, 7SAUM, 7mm-08, 7WSM, .308, .30-06, .300WM, .300WSM, .30-338, .30-378, .300RUM, .338RUM, .338WM, .338 Lapua, .375RUM, .375 CheyTac, .45-70, .444, .408 CheyTac, .575 T-Rex, .50BMG, only to list a FEW!!!!!!!!!!

I mean as you can see the options @ 500yds are limitless. And i am sure, i probably forgot to list another 50 calibers or so. We would love to help you narrow it down for you, just need a little more info.
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You are leaving out ALOT of details, that would help us more accurately answer your question.

Is this just for punching paper & ringing steel? Is this for hunting? or is it dual purpose? Will you mainly be shooting 500yds, or will you stretching the wings and going to extreme distances, 1200yds+?

Have you ever shot before? Do you reload?

If most of your shooting is going to be done @ 500yds then the options are pretty much endless.

.204, .220, .22-250, .223, .223AI, .243, .257, .260, .270, .25-06, 6.5x47, 6.5 Creedmore, 6.5 Grendal, 6.5x55, .284, 7stw, 7SAUM, 7mm-08, 7WSM, .308, .30-06, .300WM, .300WSM, .30-338, .30-378, .300RUM, .338RUM, .338WM, .338 Lapua, .375RUM, .375 CheyTac, .45-70, .444, .408 CheyTac, .575 T-Rex, .50BMG, only to list a FEW!!!!!!!!!!

I mean as you can see the options @ 500yds are limitless. And i am sure, i probably forgot to list another 50 calibers or so. We would love to help you narrow it down for you, just need a little more info.
Mostly target shooting. I feel that i have a good grasp on all close and mid range shooting (point blank to 150yrds). I Have a side by side 12 for home defense, a couple of handguns for concealed carry / side arms and a AR for if SHTF. I am a good shot at with all of them. I know that I could reach out and touch a target with my AR but I was thinking of a distance of 500+ and i don't have the right scope for that. I know that a lot factors into making a longer range shot. I am very interested in learning this subject. I guess I should have asked if people who are experienced with long range shooting and precision shooting (sniping) would consider this gun ( http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/icon_...TitleBlockFull ) a good choice and if .308 is a good cal to get the job done (take down a human at 500+)?
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after the crash i recommend the.50 cal, just good to have at the ambush site to stop the strugglin refugees in their armoured cars. one through the radiator at a distance ends the rush at your compound.
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Mostly target shooting. I feel that i have a good grasp on all close and mid range shooting (point blank to 150yrds). I Have a side by side 12 for home defense, a couple of handguns for concealed carry / side arms and a AR for if SHTF. I am a good shot at with all of them. I know that I could reach out and touch a target with my AR but I was thinking of a distance of 500+ and i don't have the right scope for that. I know that a lot factors into making a longer range shot. I am very interested in learning this subject. I guess I should have asked if people who are experienced with long range shooting and precision shooting (sniping) would consider this gun ( http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/icon_...TitleBlockFull ) a good choice and if .308 is a good cal to get the job done (take down a human at 500+)?
-Recoil is not a factor

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Well, there is no doubt that it appears to be a HELLUVA nicely built rifle. Some features that really stand out to me that i really like is --

Nice looking Action
Nice looking 5R Barrel
Badger Ordnance Bottom Metal
Manners Stocks are Grade A

Now, if you're asking will this rifle get the job done. I don't have any real world experience with it, nor have i handled it. But, it seems to have all the components that "SHOULD" take all blame off the rifle and put it on you if it doesn't hit what your aiming at, barring you put a good Scope, & Rings on it. $3K is no joke either. And then by the time you invest in a Scope that is comparable and Rings, you're looking at having $4-4,500.00 invested for the Grand Total!!!

And yes, the .308 will get the job done. You're good to 1,000yds
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Well, there is no doubt that it appears to be a HELLUVA nicely built rifle. Some features that really stand out to me that i really like is --

Nice looking Action
Nice looking 5R Barrel
Badger Ordnance Bottom Metal
Manners Stocks are Grade A

Now, if you're asking will this rifle get the job done. I don't have any real world experience with it, nor have i handled it. But, it seems to have all the components that "SHOULD" take all blame off the rifle and put it on you if it doesn't hit what your aiming at, barring you put a good Scope, & Rings on it. $3K is no joke either. And then by the time you invest in a Scope that is comparable and Rings, you're looking at having $4-4,500.00 invested for the Grand Total!!!
One of the main reasons I'm looking into the T/C icon is that I am able to get it for 40% off retail! I have family members who work for them and get a great discount. When I was looking into the guns they offered this gun really caught my eye.
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One of the main reasons I'm looking into the T/C icon is that I am able to get it for 40% off retail! I have family members who work for them and get a great discount. When I was looking into the guns they offered and this gun really caught my eye.
If you can get that gun for $1,800.00, then i don't see how you could go wrong. It looks like you would have a very nice rig indeed. I mean damn, think you could get me one for that price?

What scope do you plan to put on it?
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If you can get that gun for $1,800.00, then i don't see how you could go wrong. It looks like you would have a very nice rig indeed. I mean damn, think you could get me one for that price?

What scope do you plan to put on it?
I haven't looked into what type of scope to put on it yet. I will need to do some research. I will see what I can do about the deal on the gun
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I haven't looked into what type of scope to put on it yet. I will need to do some research. I will see what I can do about the deal on the gun
I do alot of LongeRange shooting man. I shoot at Big Piney Sportsmans Club in Raymondsville, MO. I'm around alot of scopes. Once you get to that point, get with me, i'll try and help you all i can.

And i am serious about the rifle, For the right price i am always interested in a new rifle. That is if your family doesn't care helping a complete stranger out!
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The Warlord is a nice looking rifle. I read an article on it recently in some mag and they really liked it too. I'd stick with .308, it's cheap enough to practice a lot which is what long range accuracy requires. If I was getting 40% off on a Warlord, it would be in my safe by now. Watcha waitin' for??

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