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Old 01-12-2010, 07:35 AM
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Default Affordable Double Rifle options (deer centerfire / small game rimfire)



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I am looking for a duoble rifle. Ideally I would like a .30-30 / 22lr all in one. There are some exotic rifles out there that have a rimfire anf centerfire in one. I am looking for an affordable option. I really like to stalk hunt. I also small game hunt while I deer hunt too.

The rimfire / shotgun combo may not work well. Smoothbore slugs really have issues past 75 yards. For a quick shot, I may not be able to judge between 75 and 100 or 100 and 125. With small game, I much prefer 22lr over shotgun. It usually ends up making a mess out of the meat. I tend to use heavier shot for longer range shots too, like #4 or #5 from a 20 gauge.

An option might be to get the savage 24 in .30-30/20 gauge and then convert the shotgun barrel with a 22lr adapter.

Or maybe just compromise and stick with the shotgun barrel. Does anyone know what choke size a savage 24 barrel is?
Old 01-12-2010, 10:29 AM
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You are on the right track when thinking the model 24 design could be a great wilderness survival combo if chambered in 22lr and say a 30-06. I have collected and used adapter for years and can honestly say, dont bet your life on them. They are so inaccurate that a rabbit sized target at 25 yards is safe. Then their is the issue of sights arent regulated for the adapted cartridge. When sighted with correct ammo and then used with adapted cartridge most guns hit at least 8" low at 25 yds. If someone would build an over and under 22 and 30-06, OF GOOD QUALITY, it would be a superb combo gun. The model 24's are of marginal quality in my opinion as the are manufactured. Sight regulation would not be a problem with above combo if you had a barrel mounted 2 position folding peep rear sight. One could be sighted for each barrel. And a scope rail and you could mount 2 different scopes with quick detachable rings if desired. I could not think of a better aircraft-boat survival gun if a short barreled combo was built with fiberglass stocks and rust resistant metal treatment. And a longer barreled combo with classic rust blueing and walnut stock would be elegant to say the least. Lastly make the entire metal portion of the gun from milled steel, and beef up the smaller parts and the finished project would be to die for. I have been preaching this combo for years but has fallen on deaf ears. When I win the powerball I will produce these and give the world a true classic.
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I'd go the Savage 24 route--actually that's the only route available to you...The 20 over .30 WCF (.30/30) is an awesome combo but I will tell you in advance, because of stock design, they kick pretty good in recoil...

Inserts work well and hopefully they'll match up to your sights for pin point accuracy...

FYI a shotgun and rifle barrel double is called a Cape configuration or just a Cape Gun for short...
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+3 For the Savage 24
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hell why not carry a 30/30 or whatever you like and a small youth model .22 also? with a scabard lashed to your back you wouldnt even know it was there till you spotted a squirrel.
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Some people study sports stats others Nascar, myself I study firearms design and their actual use. I have studied wilderness survival and food aquisition is THE only concern when a grocery store isnt close by. I havent hunted back east of the Rocky Mountains but 3 times so have not enough knowledge on those hunting situations. However out west and the far north is all togeather another matter. While I love the 30-30 (check out my name) it is limited out west. Most areas are vast open expanses, most large game use speed rather than stealth to evade danger. It seems you can walk within 300 yards of most big game (not during big game season) without them exiting the scene. This is outside the range of 30-30's so why limit yourself , just chamber it for the ever popular 30-06. While shotguns are good small game rounds their weight of ammo is prohibitive to long treks. You must eat everyday thus you must take either fish or small game at minimum once a day. Depends on how long you are going to be out and how much ammo you can carry. One box of 2 3/4" 12 guage shells weighs the same as 400 22 long rifles. So as stated above a model 24 style gun in 22lr over a 30-06 I have always felt the ideal one gun wilderness survival gun. Just my 2 cents worth.
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I don't think "Affordable" and "Double Rifle" can be used in the same sentence...
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I don't think "Affordable" and "Double Rifle" can be used in the same sentence...
Sure they can just substitute Searcy for Holland & Holland, Rigby etc...
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lotsa doubles try rossi,never recall seeing a 30/30 /22.lr though
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hell why not carry a 30/30 or whatever you like and a small youth model .22 also? with a scabard lashed to your back you wouldnt even know it was there till you spotted a squirrel.
I would really like to do that, but I am worried about the time I slip and fall and I forget to unload the gun. I have a remington 522 viper which shoots roughly 1/2 to 3/4" groups at 50 yards with peep sights. Very lightweight too.

Just would like it combined into one gun.

I actually shoot squirrels with a .30-30 and still have the leg meat in good shape, but tree shots are very risky there. I got real bored opening day of rifle season and bagged 4 tree rats and a grouse that day instead.

Maybe the .30-30/20 gauge or 22lr/20 gauge may work for me afterall. I really hate passing up a grouse when I have a good shot at one.

what's the flatest shooting 20 gauge smoothbore slug? The ones I have shot are like 8-12" bullet drop at 100 yards. If I could find a slug with 4-6" of drop at 100 yards, I could definitely work with that.
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How about the 5.56/223 and 22lr?

I have a Ceiner conversion kit for my AR. Simply replace the standard bolt/bolt carrier assembly and use the semi auto mags. Quick, easy exchange. Very portable. Very light. No special tools to swap.
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How about the 5.56/223 and 22lr?

I have a Ceiner conversion kit for my AR. Simply replace the standard bolt/bolt carrier assembly and use the semi auto mags. Quick, easy exchange. Very portable. Very light. No special tools to swap.
Nothing wrong with that.
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I would like to flip a switch and go from rimfire to centerfire. .30-30 is plenty of range where I hunt. The deer rarely go into open fields. If they do; the size of fields by me are with-in .30-30's range.

The two most successful hunter I know use a 44 magnum rifle and a 32-20 single shot pistol for deer hunting. .30-30 is plenty good range over here. Break action rifles have less ejection problems with rimmed cases. That's why those expensive double rifles are chambered with old cartridges like 45-70 or rimmed version of 7x57 (7x57R).

I am thinking I will end up with a .30-30 / 20 gauge combination. I would like to pay less than $1000 for it; which the savage 24 will be roughly half that. During Deer season, I might as well have the better suited barrel to be for deer rather than small game.
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Several options Retail price around $350 I think most ****'s Sporting Goods and
WalMarts can order them.

http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=2
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The shotgun barrel adapters rarely give useable accuracy, especially for small game. They don't install the same way each time and they have enough give to effect accuracy.
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Yeah I tried them out, they don't work too well. I have shot a good bunch of squirrels and grouse with a .30-30. A good broadside shot or base on the neck on grouse has harvested them without much meat loss. Just got to be careful with aim.

Might just stick with the .30-30. If I keep up with this idea for my hunting, I am set on .30-30 / 20 gauge savage 24.
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