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Old 03-13-2008, 12:57 AM
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Wanted to discuss information on home self defense. Especially love the Colorado Make My Day law. Texas is big on home and property defense.
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welcome to the forums manstopper, be sure to stop by the members introduction section and tell us a little about yourself.

as for the topic at hand, for those who dont know what the 'make my day' law is all about, a wiki excerpt.



The Make My Day law is represented in several states of the United States guaranteeing "absolute safety" for citizens within their own homes and property. Its origins are from Oklahoma, though it has been adopted in other states such as Colorado.

Under the law, citizens cannot be prosecuted for using deadly force against suspected threats to themselves in their houses and on their property - for example (and primarily), intruders. The origins of the law can be traced to a case of a break-in, involving Dr Frank Sommer from Oklahoma. After Sommer shot and killed an intruder, the law was passed within weeks. Advocates claim that the success of the law clearly demonstrates the use of self defense as a deterrent, and point out that the crime rates in Oklahoma for burglary fell from 58,333 in 1987 to 31,661 in 2000. Crime rates decreased nation-wide during that time interval, however, so comparison with the national crime rate would be needed to substantiate this claim.

The name comes from the phrase "go ahead, make my day" from the film Sudden Impact, one of the Dirty Harry sequels starring Clint Eastwood.

similar to the castle doctrine laws, hell i'm all for it, though i do see some flaws in the law.
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First off,lets not use the term "make my day" law or "shoot first" law. These are phrases coined by the media and other anti-2nd amendment types. I believe the term "Castle doctrine" more accurately describes these laws.

Hopefully,castle doctrine laws will be passed in more and more states in the future.
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First off,lets not use the term "make my day" law or "shoot first" law. These are phrases coined by the media and other anti-2nd amendment types. I believe the term "Castle doctrine" more accurately describes these laws.

Hopefully,castle doctrine laws will be passed in more and more states in the future.
+1 Castle is how the media here in Californicatia refers to it.... accurate, but wierd! Cali? Go figure...
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yes, "Castle Laws" or "Castle Doctrine" is the appropriate term, referring to the phrase "a Man's home is his Castle"

In short, after September 1, 2007 in Texas, if you shoot an offender on your property, you are not liable in *CIVIL* court. Out in public with a CHL, you are still able to shoot an offender to prevent imminent aggravated assault, robbery, murder, etc, but you will likely be sued in civil court by his family and you will very much likely spend $50,000+ in defending yourself.

The Castle Law doctrine removes the ability to sue you in civil court.

This does not change any effects in criminal court. The cops will still confiscate your firearms, possibly arrest you formally, and go through a thorough investigation.
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I like "castle doctrine". Really all these laws do is codify a concept in which most of us believe.

I remember when Louisiana passed its law, coined "shoot the burglar".
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Any other states other than Colorado have a "castle doctrine?"
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You guys can consider yourselfs lucky who can protect your life,family,home and property.
Over here its pretty much against the law to do so as its a violation against the criminals rights.
Theres a case right now where a man shot and killed one of five attackers who came to his house in the middle of the night to kill the mans son, this was the culm of over a years harrasment from this gang. (countless deaththreats, demolition of property and so on)
Now this man, this father is on trial for murder.

So hold on to your rights or you will end up like us over here.

Hope this wasn`t to much offtopic.
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Here is Iowa we are "suppose" to flee as far as possible from a home intruder and only use deadly force when the burgler has you cornered. Well...If I use deadly force the person I used it on isn't going to be able to tell his side of the story.

"yes officer I felt my life was being threatened".

"yes officer it took thirty rounds to stop him from coming at me".



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Louisiana as well has castle protection for personal protection
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we just adopted the Castle Doctrine here in Kentucky and its first use of it by a homeowner happened last month. Shot the guy through the door. Now its time to see what happens in the courts. The police did not press any charges against the homeowner.
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Kentucky does now.
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first off,lets not use the term "make my day" law or "shoot first" law. These are phrases coined by the media and other anti-2nd amendment types. I believe the term "castle doctrine" more accurately describes these laws.
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Here is Iowa we are "suppose" to flee as far as possible from a home intruder and only use deadly force when the burgler has you cornered. -Cade
so stash your gun in a corner .....go get it and come out shootin :D

cant argue that with the law lol
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Why does the government feel the need to codify and make laws about every step we as humans can take? Even in our own home?
Stupid question, I know...
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its better to answer to 12 than carried by 6 if i feel me or my family is in danger i will shoot - let me catch some sneekn through my yard at night with a gun in hand
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Florida recently codified the castle doctrine in the "stand your ground" law. In essence, one need not retreat from an attacker if he is within his rights to be in the place, e.g a public sidewalk, place of business, or his own home, etc.

Hasn't been challenged much, but there is a case pending where the guy claimed SYG and he was seen on security cameras advancing on a guy who was unarmed. He's expected to be prosecuted for Murder 2.
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Why does the government feel the need to codify and make laws about every step we as humans can take? Even in our own home?
Stupid question, I know...
just venting
Neo, these are baby steps towards the totalitarian police state.......
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Michigan signed into law the "Castle Doctrine", in 2006, also known as "Stand Your Ground" (as a previous poster from Flordia mentioned). Any place you have a legal right to be i.e in your home, place of employment and so forth, you have the right to use deadly force if you feel your or a loved ones life is threatened.

The previous laws required that you try to flee your home first. If you could not, then you could protect yourself only if the perp was inside your house and about to kill you. With the new law they only have to be on your property or place of employment, no fleeing, stand your ground and protect yourselves.
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i love that the castle law also applies to your car in Texas. my shotgun loves riding in the right seat- coincidentally enough, the shotgun seat.
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