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Old 12-12-2009, 09:53 PM
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I'm sure I am going to get some of you gun obsessed people who know all the laws acting like this is a crazy suggestion or question but IDC.

I am wondering if it is legal to reload ammo and sell it, maybe do custom reloads. Would a FFL be needed or other licenses other than a state sales tax? Where I live I only need a state sales tax license to sell ammo (I have an account with Jerry's Sports Center).

Any ideas or suggestions?
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Lots and lots and lots of insurance. If you're making enough to sell, the likelyhood of you doing a squib load or a double load is too great. Once someone's gun blows up in their hand, you're gonna be in trouble if they choose to sue.

The rounds also won't be suitable for EDC/self defense loads, for the same reason you can't carry your own reloads. It just looks bad in the court of law, and has the potential to ruin any kind of defense you might put up. 'Are these REALLY the same bullets that you had in your handgun, Mr. X? You have been known for 'manufacturing' evidence."

I could see some potential for hunting loads, but you still run the liability issue. I don't know if there's any specific law against it, though...just seems like a bad idea.
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We just had this same question a day or so back.

You need to be a licensed manufacturer. That means going through the ATF. You'll need gobs of insurance. Check with the NRA for that. You are a member, right? You'll also need whatever licensing that your state and city require, as well as meeting fire code. You'd probably need to rent a commercial unit somewhere in order to meet code. Otherwise you can't keep enough powder on site if it's residential.
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Lots and lots and lots of insurance. If you're making enough to sell, the likelyhood of you doing a squib load or a double load is too great. Once someone's gun blows up in their hand, you're gonna be in trouble if they choose to sue.

The rounds also won't be suitable for EDC/self defense loads, for the same reason you can't carry your own reloads. It just looks bad in the court of law, and has the potential to ruin any kind of defense you might put up. 'Are these REALLY the same bullets that you had in your handgun, Mr. X? You have been known for 'manufacturing' evidence."

I could see some potential for hunting loads, but you still run the liability issue. I don't know if there's any specific law against it, though...just seems like a bad idea.
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Its really not worth it...

By the time you buy components, charge for your time, etc you would have to charge roughly the price of factory ammo. People probably won't take a risk on your ammo when they could get something produced in the factory for about the same amount of cash.

Shooting someone elses reloads is usually a bad idea, at least most people think so, so trying to reload/load for profit is really not something that is fruitful enough to get into imho.
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You would need a lic.from ATF but not ffl. Another thing is if you load someones brass and they get it back, you won't owe fed. tax. Take one persons, load it and sell it to someone else you owe tax.

You MAY get by if you arn't selling at gun shows to charge to load for people if they furnish the componets. No lic.needed. If you're talking about a commercial operation,that wouldn't work.
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We had a guy up here whose ammo wasted more guns than the Clinton Administration and he was never sued. 44's mostly.

It's very hard to prove, especially if you are loading used brass. They have to prove it was your ammo and not their own recipe. Really the only way to do it is to have a uninterested 3rd party dissect your ammo and it must be done in the company of everyone's attorney's or it don't mean squat. Also, the defendant can collect reasonable attorney's fees if the case is not proven.

Most general liability policies will cover you for $5000 in medical with no questions asked and no rate increase. It's what I had for years.
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I'm sure I am going to get some of you gun obsessed people who know all the laws acting like this is a crazy suggestion or question but IDC.

I am wondering if it is legal to reload ammo and sell it, maybe do custom reloads. Would a FFL be needed or other licenses other than a state sales tax? Where I live I only need a state sales tax license to sell ammo (I have an account with Jerry's Sports Center).

Any ideas or suggestions?
Do you think there is a market for commercial reloading?

I would not buy reloaded ammo. I would not even shoot reloaded ammo for free.

If something happens, like you sold one overloaded round, do you want to be recourse?

And the profit margin will be very thin to zero...the guys I know with expensive big game calibers (Africa hunters) do not care about ammo cost or reload themselves.
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...the guys I know with expensive big game calibers (Africa hunters) do not care about ammo cost or reload themselves.
Since when does an African Hunter need to save money by reloading? A Safari there is 30-100k. What does $100 bill for a box of ammo mean to them?
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Do u know if it is considered reloading if u just change what comes
Out of the bullet? Say u open up the back of a shot gun shell
And put something in with the shot and closed it back up. Your
Not messing with the powder or the primer. Would u need a
Reloading license to do that if u where going to sell them?
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Since when does an African Hunter need to save money by reloading? A Safari there is 30-100k. What does $100 bill for a box of ammo mean to them?
That was his point.
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IM 1 of those GUN OBSESSED people you refered to. AND i would NEVER shoot anyone elses reloads. period.
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I just saw a .45LC with its frame split (it was a new gun) because he was making high pressure reloads and didn't know what he was doing. I have heard people ask "do you fill the case with powder to the top"!!! SO Reloads are mine and mine alone. Its sad that some idiots ruin it for the guys who are way better hand loaders than I could ever hope to be, and would make great ammo, but thats just how I feel about it...better safe
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Bartering is fine with no license, only selling for profits. So if you were to trade X 30-06 for X 375 H&H mag rounds your legal. Sell X 375 H&H mag you loaded for a rifle you use to own, your ok. Do it multable times, you fall under the requirements for license.
Old 04-14-2013, 08:35 PM
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As a licensed manufacturer I can say that right now its not worth it.

Between insurance cost, component cost and my time, factory is cheaper.

With the exception of some special custom ammo, I don't make ammo right now. The money's not there.
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Very old thread but would not use someone else's reloads.

That being said, SW ammo will reload ammo for you cheap. This would be the only reloaded ammo I'd shoot done by someone else. Have no idea what their turn around time is as do my own stuff.
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