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Old 11-29-2009, 01:36 PM
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I have shot 12 and 20 gauge and I really like the 20 especially with the new improvements in ammo over the past few years. My question is would the .410 be enough in a HD situation shooting under 35 yds?
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Old 11-29-2009, 02:16 PM
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Not really. It's pretty weak. At least a 20 gauge.
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.410s are great for dove and rabbit, but when it comes to home defense I wouldn't screw around. Get a 12 guage. In a home defense situation the bigger the better in my book. The .410 would be better than a pointy stick, but we're talking about protecting your life and your loved ones. I don't want to **** the guy off, I want to stop him in his tracks.
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If your .410 were a slug you would be in the area of a .45 Long Colt or .45acp, so you ought to just grab a handgun. Usually when a shotgun is brought to bear it's for it's extreme stop-a-bility and that is typically in a larger gauge. I doubt if a .410 affords this knock down power.
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Nope. 410s are for a lighter shotgun for bird/varmint hunting or backpacking. Like 22LR, it's better than nothing but a poor HD choice. It could be useful for SHTF hunting, but 22LR ammo is a lot cheaper and lighter.

The 410 "buckshot" is not enough FPS or enough pellets to be effective on human attackers (which, incidentally, is why the Texas Defender and Taurus Judge are very overrated IMO). The only shell in a 410 that'll have any appreciable effect on a decent size human target is a slug, and then you mised well just be using a rifle. IMO, for more maneuverability and one handed operation, you should actually strongly prefer a revolver or pistol (can be a good sized one, 38sp/9mm or larger, since it's HD and concelability is not an issue).

Use a 12 or 20ga with buckshot if you want (or are restricted to) a shotgun for HD. The 20s are nice, and they do have plenty of stopping power to spare. The reduced recoil (basically no recoil with 20ga if you get a knoxx) helps for faster and more accurate follow up shots; I use 20ga for backup HD (357 is primary). I have some 12ga guns for SHTF and range/clays use also.

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Let's see....Mossberg 500E pump shotgun loaded with 3" Paraklese buckshot loads....FIVE 0000 balls in one shot. That's like getting shot with five .38's at once. I'd say that would do the job quite nicely. Your shoulder will cuss you tomorrow, but you'll live through the day today.

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better to be hit with 8 or 9 32 magnums at once...12 gauge 2 3/4" 00 Buck.
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If memory serves me correctly, a .410 rifled slug is roughly equal to a .45 long colt in a handgun. ( I have never personally owned either however ) Having said that I firmly believe the old adage that a good big gun beats a good little gun every time. Take the largest thing you can accurately shoot and comfortably handle.
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I'd say if you can, get a 12 or 20ga. But if all you have available, a .410 is better than nothing. Once again, to the people saying it will only **** someone off..i dont think you'd be smugly walking towards someone aiming a .410 at your chest..everyones braver on the internet.
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I have shot 12 and 20 gauge and I really like the 20 especially with the new improvements in ammo over the past few years. My question is would the .410 be enough in a HD situation shooting under 35 yds?
You might have a hard time defending yourself in court if you shot someone at 35 yards.
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I dare anyone to stand across the room from me and let me shoot them with a .410.......that's what I thought.
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The .410 buckshot does not have any less velocity than a 12 gauge. It just throws 6-8 fewer pellets. It is something that you could defend your home with. You wouldn't choose it over a .45 or a 20 guage, but if it's what you had, you could use it to good effect.
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I am a fan of the .410 but I think the question is poorly phrased, no offense.

I have shot the Barrett .50 and the .338LM. My question is this: Is the .308 a good caliber for knocking down targets at long range? Again, hard to answer about the last one once the introduction of the first two has been made.

Between what you listed, most would take the 12 and then the 20. But then you ask about the .410, making it a question about grapefruits and then apples and then grapes. It is hard to answer in this regard.

A .22/.410 O/U is hard to beat. Hit them with the slug or buckshot and then follow with a .22LR through an eye socket. In a survival situation you could also utilize hundreds of rounds that you have carried or stored. In the gunfight, you want your targets to never fight again.

I like my old Rem870 (12) for what it can deliver, the Rem1100 (20) for rapid shot followup, and the various .410's for varmits. In the case where decisions are too tough, buy your favorite and then slowly add the others over time. More is better too.
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i would not choose the 410 . Let me give you my reasons

1 Not enough pellets in the shell
2 Lacks knock down power
3 Shells are expensive when compared to other shotgun shells
4 Ammo is not as available as 12 or 20
5 The gun has limited usefulness for hunting


IMO you should pick the 12 or 20 ga.. I would recomend a pump. The Moss 500 is hard to beat for the price. Stick to #3 or #4 buck, you don't need anything bigger. I also recomend buying a few boxes of #6 or 7.5 rabbit loads and a couple of boxes of slugs. This should cover most of your needs not all but most.
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...i would not choose the 410, I would recomend a pump. The Moss 500 is hard to beat for the price......
Apparently you didn't read the thread about a Mossy cracking up.........
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I am a fan of the .410 but I think the question is poorly phrased, no offense......
OK, I'll be you're Huckleberry........I ask you , will you stand across the room and let me shoot you with a .410? Yes or no....
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I wouldn't personally let anyone shoot me with even a pellet gun, not sure as to where the validity of that last post is.
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