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Old 10-22-2009, 12:07 PM
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I'm thinking about putting together a "back-up" or "old school" set of firearms. This would be for a scenario of long-term collapse where the tech fades away and I need more simple and reliable weapons. My primary set is an AR and Glock 22 with a shotgun for house gun.

I'm thinking about a lever action rifle and modern revolver with a belt that has round loops and revolver holster along with 3 or 4 speed loader pouches. (Probably the born and raised Texan in me...)

I'm thinking about having both the revolver and rifle use the same round and maybe stocking up and learning some basic reloading gear.

Thoughts or recommendations??
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I'm thinking about putting together a "back-up" or "old school" set of firearms. This would be for a scenario of long-term collapse where the tech fades away and I need more simple and reliable weapons. My primary set is an AR and Glock 22 with a shotgun for house gun.

I'm thinking about a lever action rifle and modern revolver with a belt that has round loops and revolver holster along with 3 or 4 speed loader pouches. (Probably the born and raised Texan in me...)

I'm thinking about having both the revolver and rifle use the same round and maybe stocking up and learning some basic reloading gear.

Thoughts or recommendations??
I have a rossi Model 92 in .45LC with a matching caliber repro Colt single action Army. 10 years ago the Rifle cost me 180.00 at a gun show and the pistol 200. I think it would cost twice that now. Rossi Makes the same rifle in .357 if you want to match it to a D.A. Revolver and you would have a choice of .357 and .38 to shoot out of both!
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Another option is a M1 .30 Carbine. The cartridge is a straight wall case and you can get a Ruger Single Six or an Auto mag in that caliber to match it up.

I have the M1 Carbine and an Automag (It is similar to an M1911 except it has a different safety and the grip is wider to handle the .30 carbine cartridge.
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I'm going to a gun show Nov 8th and I hope to be well enough versed by then to be able to spot a good rifle if I see one.
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Winchester 94 in 30-30 and Ruger Blackhawk in .357mag is my setup. Also have a Marlin 336 in .35 Remington and a Winchester 94 Express in .375 Winchester for those critters that require some extra thumpdown power. Wish I still had my Rossi 92 in .357mag.
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Marlin 1895 .45-70 and Ruger Redhawk double action .45 Colt revolver. Both cartridges were top of the line in power at the end of the Black Powder era and can still be loaded with black powder if you have primers and a source of black powder. The two guns are, in my opinion the best available in each caliber. A New Model Blackhawk single action in .45 Colt is another option if you want the nostalgia of the Colt six-gun style.

For small game or those that can't handle recoil well an option is the Marlin 1894 lever action rifle and a used Ruger single action, both in .32-20, another cartridge that can be loaded with black powder.


If I was going for the lowest tech system I'd get a set of flintlocks. 12 gauge shotgun, .50 caliber rifle, 3 .50 caliber handguns.
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.357 would be a great choice for cartridge, as would the 44 mag.
I'm partial to the 45 LC, but unless you handload, it's a very mild cartridge. Rifles can normally handle heavy 45 loads, but most revolvers won't. If you wanted to hot-rod the 45, you would need to get a Ruger. Shooting a heavy 45 from a SAA can turn out ugly.
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Have to go with a smith 29 and your choice of lever in 44 mag. I have a 6 1/2 mid 70's vintage 29 (Dirty Harry carry) and a older rossi lever lot of rounds thru both.
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Marlin 1894 lever gun in 38/357
Smith & Wesson 686 6" barrel
Dillon Square Deal B loader (comes already set up in your caliber of choice)
HKS Speedloaders
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my vote is for the 357 cal combo rossi or a used marlin for the rifle. and 2 pistols a colt tropper and a ruger blackhawk. the blackhawk can if you must handle the hotter rifle rounds. That is if you can still find them i'm told they are still made. Another advantage is that 38 spl work in both so 2 rounds for the price of one.
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Smith & Wesson 686 6" barrel
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Spooky - I was looking at those models just now.

I have ZERO experience with reloading, so I'll take a look at that rig. I'm assuming the basics are loading rig, brass, bullets, powder, primers, and maybe a vibrating bin to clean the brass...

Are there real benefits to having reloading gear or just having a few thousand rounds of ammo? (or more)
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Marlin 1894P 44mag - scout mounted scope and S&W 629 - great combo - that is my main NYS/Pa hunting rig
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reloading a little cheaper and can tinker with loads until u find 1 that both like
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Smith & Wesson 686 6" barrel
Dillon Square Deal B loader (comes already set up in your caliber of choice)
HKS Speedloaders
Good call on the Marlin. I would give the Ruger GP-100 a look though. I have had both the 686 (a great gun by the way) and the GP-100. They are both very good guns, I just found the Ruger to be a little more rugged for prolonged magnum use.
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Love my Winchester 94 and Remington 1875 (reproduction) both in 45LC. My tactical gear for that set up is John Wayne all the way.
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I had much the same thought.

Have Marlin 1894 in .357.
And Ruger Blackhawk in .357/9mm.

That gives you 3 effective calibers between the two, counting .38 special.

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I like the combination of a Marlin 94 LTD SS in .357 with a S&W 627PC or 627 Pro revo.

If you feel you need more power and can handle the recoil in a revo, a Marlin 94 in .44 mag with any good .44 double action revo, like a S&W 629 or Ruger Redhawk.

Photo is the 1894SS357 LTD with a 627 Pro and 617.
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There was lots to be said for the combo for a cowboy on the trail drive...only one ammo to worry about and in a calibre that would be found all along the route...44/40, .45 LC, .38/40 etc.

There is also something to be said of carrying two different calibres...Main concern is that you're limited to a pistol cartridge and a pistol cartridge's range....44 Mag is not more then an effective 150 yd rifle and it's the only one to use as the .357 Mag is a little too underpowered beyond 100 yds...Load .44 Spec in your handgun so you don't have to deal with the heavier recoil...

You want the nostalgia of a lever and a single action--How about an older Savage Model 99 or Winchester 88 or the newer Browning BLR...All are available in hard hitting rifle cartridges with 300+ yard ranges--.250 Savage (.250/3000), .264 Win, 7mm-08, even .30/06, .308, 7mm Rem Mag, or thumper calibres like the .338 Win, .358 Win, .450 Marlin and then you can pair that off with any handgun you want in any calibre you want and you've got distance and close in covered...

Expensive as all get out but the best single actions out there are by Freedom Arms or USFA-U.S. Fire Arms

Sure you can shoot your pistols at longer distances--Elmer Kieth (who designed the .357, .41 and .44 Mags) was making 600+ yard shots all the time but neither you or I are "The Dean"...Remember that velocity and mass equals penetration and expansion and that's what kills...If the bullet hits the animal perfectly but doesn't reach the vitals you don't eat that night...Just look at the ballistics charts for any of the pistol calibres...

I do have a combo of Marlin lever in .41 Mag and a number (11) of S/A and D/A handguns in that calibre--only calibre I own other then rimfire and a custom pair of Browning P35s in 9mm...

Oh, you can also use the .454 Casull with the .45 LC and I think Rossi made a carbine in that calibre...
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Spooky - I was looking at those models just now.

I have ZERO experience with reloading, so I'll take a look at that rig. I'm assuming the basics are loading rig, brass, bullets, powder, primers, and maybe a vibrating bin to clean the brass...

Are there real benefits to having reloading gear or just having a few thousand rounds of ammo? (or more)
Buy quality and you won't pay for it twice.

I listened to a lot of stories about reloading from friends with decades of experience and went away CONVINCED that for ME Dillon was the right reloader. That proved true with all my phone calls to their customer service which has to be THE BEST in any industry I have encountered. They also know what you talked about before so it's like a continued conversation with a friend. Their Square Deal B (I have the 550B) comes all set up for you. You just clamp it down, add powder, primers, brass, bullets and load. A few more things you might want would be a vibratory case cleaner, case cleaning fluid, primer flip tray, and a kinetic bullet puller (just in case).

The nice thing about this is that you can crank out custom-loaded bullets real quickly that are tailored to your exact use. Oh, and sign up for the Blue Press from Dillon anyway. Comes out monthly and is loaded with products and good articles, and the pics aren't too bad either.
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Buy the handgun first, then the rifle second. See if you like the caliber. I had the .357 setup, but sold it. Just didn't cut it with power for me.

44 magnum is nice. If you reload, you can use 44 specials. They're hard to come by, but the cowboy 44 special loads are available. 44 is fine for deer, the gun also makes a great dangerous game defense handgun. If there really is such a thing.

The .30-30 is fine for a rifle, then get a handgun revolver you like. OR get a blackpowder pistol. Lots of fun and not too expensive either. You could get both for about $350. New 1858 cost about $175 and a used .30-30 can run about the same price.

As far as reloading goes. It really is a matter of how much time you have. Do shoot more than 500 rounds a year in rifle or 1000 rounds a year in pistol? IF so, then it can save you money. Most people reload for better accuracy, if you need that. I do not need more accurate ammo, but I do shoot about 1500-2000 rounds of .30-30 a year. It saves me money. Reloading is like storing ammo, you got the stuff till it's gone. If it really is a matter of money, reloading does save money. Some things like 7.62x39 or military surplus bolt actions actually cost more to reload than buy.

I reload, but do not rely on reloading for my supplies. I keep a good stock of new commerical .30-30 ammo around as well as a good stash of 7.62x39. I reload to save some money and to make my SKS's a bit more accurate. But, I duplicate the velocity and bullet weights of my stored ammo, so my sights are the same. The only custom ammo I really make is long range 125gr pointed tip .30-30 loads for my 340 savage bolt gun. But that is merely a toy gun for me. I shoot woodchuck, but that's it with it. Just like the barrging rights on a long range .30-30 for all those small game 375 H&H users!

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