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Old 10-18-2009, 06:42 PM
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Anybody know what twist rate would allow my '06 to shoot some bigger bullets? Mine is only accurate with <165 grain pills.
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Anybody know what twist rate would allow my '06 to shoot some bigger bullets? Mine is only accurate with <165 grain pills.
1:10 seems to be the best all around for 150 to 180gr. If you are planning on using very heavy bullets (190-210gr) then a 1:8 might be in order. I think that with either the 1:10 or 1:8 you won't be sorry. I went with the 1:10 though for mine.
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I think mine already is a 1/10 twist. But anything over 165 is "hour of angle"!
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I have some expertise that may help you: let us compare rile barrels to ladies and let us use redheads for our baseline comparison. Now then do all redheads of the same size and weight like scotch or it is Guiness, or it Burbon, or is it a Bud or ---you get the idea. Just so, from my bench rest experiences, a certain barrel will shoot its most accurate group with one brand and weight of bullet at the same velocity. Even then the velocity at which you shoot that bullet will determine its accuracy. Have long hard look here to see the effects of changing powder loads has on the same bullet:
http://www.accuratereloading.com/30-06s.html I see a H 4350 load with a180 gr Sierra that shoots in the .2 something at 2,855fps from 56.0 grains. All the reloading cautions about starting low, and seat 0.010" off the lands apply.

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I think mine already is a 1/10 twist. But anything over 165 is "hour of angle"!
what rifle is it? 1-10 should shoot 165grainers good, you'll be surprised what handloading will do to an inaccurate factory rifle,
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1:10 in a .30-06 will handle up to 220 grains, no problem. Sounds to me like you have a flinching problem with heavier ammo that have a bit more kick to them.

Get some snap caps and do plenty of dry firing exercises to rid yourself of that problem.

Good luck.
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1:10 in a .30-06 will handle up to 220 grains, no problem. Sounds to me like you have a flinching problem with heavier ammo that have a bit more kick to them.

Get some snap caps and do plenty of dry firing exercises to rid yourself of that problem.

Good luck.
Thanks for the tip bud, but it's definatly not my technique. (spent 4 years recieving the best training known to man). If you're trained right you should actually be surprised when the gun goes off, that is an indicator of total relaxation, and "being in the zone". And that's what happens everytime. No offense taken though

It's just that this gun doesn't like those bigger bullets, just like every other gun has that "magic bullet" that works the best. Currently it's 165 grain Sierra Gamekings.
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Thanks for the tip bud, but it's definatly not my technique. (spent 4 years recieving the best training known to man). If you're trained right you should actually be surprised when the gun goes off, that is an indicator of total relaxation, and "being in the zone". And that's what happens everytime. No offense taken though

It's just that this gun doesn't like those bigger bullets, just like every other gun has that "magic bullet" that works the best. Currently it's 165 grain Sierra Gamekings.
Glad none was taken, because none was intended.

So, just how off are you with, say 180-grain? At what range?
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what rifle is it? 1-10 should shoot 165grainers good, you'll be surprised what handloading will do to an inaccurate factory rifle,

Remington 798 glass-bedded, target crowned, lapped, and trigger work.

The only thing handloading could possibly do is turn my cloverleaf groups into 1 hole groups. But any rifle that shoot cloverleafs with factory ammo is worth every penny.

And I concur with you hypothesis that 165 grainers are optimum, because that's exactly what I get my best groups with. Federal Vital Shoks 165 Sierra Gamekings are the ticket.

Nosler BT's in 165 and 150 are good for submoa, but the Sierras are even tighter.
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Glad none was taken, because none was intended.

So, just how off are you with, say 180-grain? At what range?
Hey you were just trying to help.

But anyways 180's are about 3-4 inch groups. The worse is the Hornady Light Magnums, but they sure are fun to shoot I've actually had people ask what big caliber my rifle is when I load those artillery shells in.

you should try them at least once in your life. Only in fixed actions though
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I have some expertise that may help you: let us compare rile barrels to ladies and let us use redheads for our baseline comparison. Now then do all redheads of the same size and weight like scotch or it is Guiness, or it Burbon, or is it a Bud or ---you get the idea. Just so, from my bench rest experiences, a certain barrel will shoot its most accurate group with one brand and weight of bullet at the same velocity. Even then the velocity at which you shoot that bullet will determine its accuracy. Have long hard look here to see the effects of changing powder loads has on the same bullet:
http://www.accuratereloading.com/30-06s.html I see a H 4350 load with a180 gr Sierra that shoots in the .2 something at 2,855fps from 56.0 grains. All the reloading cautions about starting low, and seat 0.010" off the lands apply.

Cordially, overbore
That was vey expensive learning what kind of "drink" my girl liked a couple months ago. Now I have a couple hundred dollars of some ammo that shoots ok and some that is horrible.

And I have to conclude as well velocity plays a part in accuracy. by far the worse are those Hornady Light Magnums and they scream!
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