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Old 09-20-2009, 07:37 PM
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One thing that I think I have learned from this website + some of the books I have read, ie. Patriots by James Wesley Rawles, is that unless you truly have somewhere to "Bug-Out" to, likely, one's best bet to live to see more days is to "Bug-In."

It seems to me that while some may be thinking of elaborate "Bug-Out" plans, in many cases, highway gridlock, martial law enforcement of an Executive Order to confiscate weapons and other key supplies, etc., could - at best - leave you as a refugee, either attempting to walk somewhere - suicide - or being escorted onto a large truck or special amtrak people transporter to a civilian assistance camp....

With a concrete block and steel home, impact resistant Miami Dade Code windows, what other reasonable renovations could one make to "harden" their home?
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Rebuild. Make a city hacienda style house - hard heavy walls, no windows on the first floor, heavy doors, big garden in the middle.
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A home in Florida is only as good as the next hurricane - - I would move north and inland, maybe somewhere in Georgia
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One thing that I think I have learned from this website + some of the books I have read, ie. Patriots by James Wesley Rawles, is that unless you truly have somewhere to "Bug-Out" to, likely, one's best bet to live to see more days is to "Bug-In."

It seems to me that while some may be thinking of elaborate "Bug-Out" plans, in many cases, highway gridlock, martial law enforcement of an Executive Order to confiscate weapons and other key supplies, etc., could - at best - leave you as a refugee, either attempting to walk somewhere - suicide - or being escorted onto a large truck or special amtrak people transporter to a civilian assistance camp....

With a concrete block and steel home, impact resistant Miami Dade Code windows, what other reasonable renovations could one make to "harden" their home?
If you're in Miami-Dade you're going to need a castle with walls 12 ft tall and 6 ft thick, turrets and .50 cal machine guns in each!

Think about how many zombies you'll be dealing with. That's an area of the country where they'll kill you for your Nike's if they think they can get away with it. I used to live and work there.

If you're really serious you'll need to think about protecting your walls with sandbags or something. You'll also need to think about someone setting your house on fire with molotov cocktails and what to do about it.

You'll need to dedicate a room for food, water and guns and ammunition.

You'll need to keep your lights (candles, oil lamps, etc) out at night and don't run a generator. And have food and water for a loooong time because you won't be able to go out without a large group.

Do you have a family?

I was there for Hurricane Andrew and even a localized emergency like that down there was not pretty.

Good luck!
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A home in Florida is only as good as the next hurricane - - I would move north and inland, maybe somewhere in Georgia
You haven't been through too many hurricanes, have you?
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Sandbags, all around the house. With walkways and doors.
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Dont overlook sandbags.
- concrete block will not stop repeated 5.56 rounds or even single 7.62 rounds. Inexpensive and easy to store. They obviously store empty then fill as needed. I used the standard 'hurricane' excuse with my wife until she finally got with the progam.
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Fellows, I am not in Miami Dade (which I agree would be suicidal for numerous reasons...), but North Central. Yes, I have been through a hurricane and numerous Tropical Storms.

I was referring to the Miami Dade code for impact resistant windows.

I am in a "nice" suburb, close enough to evac routes, yet far enough away. Very low crime area.

Not going to tear house down and build a bunker in its place (if I only had the $$$)... Just looking for some ideas to make my home safer.

Yes, I have a family - two kids, one dog...

The sandbags idea is great.

I am also a realist. If the molotov cocktails start flying, practically speaking, it's over...
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Goethic... I'm probably a bit south of you in the Tampa Bay area. I've got several ideas and things that I've done that I'll pass on tomorrow (or if I get a second wind tonight) so make sure you check back in here.

BTW, shoot them before they get close enough to throw molotov cocktails!
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A home in Florida is only as good as the next hurricane - - I would move north and inland, maybe somewhere in Georgia
I actually kind of enjoy hurricanes.
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In addition to impact glass, we had these hurricane screens installed.
http://www.hurricanescreens.com
It cost about $10,000
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I actually kind of enjoy hurricanes.

You must have a very well built home if you enjoy hurricanes. I envy you.
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You must have a very well built home if you enjoy hurricanes. I envy you.
Ehhh, they aren't as bad as the media makes them out to be, dude.
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I lived in south FL for three years.

In my humble opinion:

FL has a pretty rough outlook in my thoughts for SHTF. It has a pretty dense population area down south on a straight line with the everglades narrowing livable space. Lack of growing land and constant need of food shipments + only a few roads in/out = MANY starving people very soon after a major disruption.

I believe if you could survive long enough, you would be part of a very small number of people that make it, which would quiet things down quite a bit, and you could maybe re-settle a beach house and work into a nice fishing beach bum lifestyle.

After ranting about all of this, I would say this: If I were living there, I would concentrate on:

Extreme low-key bug-in, with no activity outside the house for the initial craziness. If a few looters try to break in, you will have to drop them fast and quiet so you stay nice and secret.

The problem would be a mob of looters moving house to house.

So, stock up on food, water, gear, and weapons that allow you to stay inside for a long time. Also beware of heat inside a house with no power/air conditioning.
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I actually kind of enjoy hurricanes.
Really! Then you may have been in a glorified tropical storm...but not a real hurricane..and I am talking cat 4 or 5. Because I dont think you would have enjoyed it.
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Really! Then you may have been in a glorified tropical storm...but not a real hurricane..and I am talking cat 4 or 5. Because I dont think you would have enjoyed it.
Bring it on.
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I kinda like the hurricanes too... As long as the windows are boarded up and the roof is built right its not a really big deal in most circumstances...

As far as fortifacation goes get a strong, tall, gate for your driveway... then put a thorny hedge around your propety. maybe some cactus out front. obviously it wont stand up to a determined attempt but most people really wouldn't want to go though the trouble when there is another house across the street.

If your in the city i would try to get an apartment... the same concept would apply, get a strong door, with 15 different locks on it. and barricade yourself in.
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Solar power. Get off the grid if you can. Have some low voltage systems available if you can't.
Solar security lighting.
Storm shutters or steel roll-up curtains. Otherwise have predrilled and precut plywood to fit over windows.
Solid core exterior doors anchored solidly in a steel frame.
Check that you are above any possible storm surge.
Make sure the roof is properly anchored. Lot of really nice houses were blown to flinders in Andrew when the roof lifted off.
If there is any exposed wood you can paint it with fire resistant paint.
Make sure your roofing material is fireproof.
If you are worried about fallout, you still need a hidey hole under the house or an interior safe room.
What about the garage and any vehicles? Storage sheds?
Have you analyzed your back yard for defensibility? What if your neighbors home is occupied by bad guys?
Loud territorial dogs can't hurt.
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Really! Then you may have been in a glorified tropical storm...but not a real hurricane..and I am talking cat 4 or 5. Because I dont think you would have enjoyed it.
I have lived in various parts of florida my entire life, and unless you are right on the coast hurricanes are just not that big a deal. For about 15 years I lived 12 miles inland from the east central coast (by kennedy space center) and went through dozens of hurricanes. Worst thing to ever happen was a few missing shingles.

Now, in north central Florida, I'm even less affected by them.

Florida is a big state. Most of it doesn't get hit too hard.
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You haven't been through too many hurricanes, have you?
Actually I live on an island in the northeast so I have been through a few, not as many as a Florida resident, but yes been through a few
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