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Old 09-07-2009, 03:18 PM
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OK I've narrowed my next rifle down tow Remington 700 SPS. I just can't decide on 30-06 or 308 any suggestions & why. Thanks in advance.
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.308 ballistics not as good as 30/06 but both do their jobs very well,i prefer my 30/06!
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Look at ammo prices.
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I love my 700bdl in 30-06
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Atleast in my experience 30-06 rounds are easier to find so i would go with 30-06.
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Flip a coin. You will get the same result than listening to all the 308 vs 30-06 arguments out there.

If you still cant decide, make it 3 out of 5 to win
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Which one shoots flatter?

You have your answer
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the 30-06 is a great round used by some of the greatest snipers of all time like Carlos Heathcot in the win. M70, but they all swithched to 308 for a reason, less recoile( which afects acuracy and the casing is shorter for a faster burn. Not saying anything is wrong with the 06, but its hard to find match grade amo for it, but if you get the 308 it is not hard to find match grade amo for it if you are thinking about geting into long range shooting
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I only have a .30-06 myself but I would think about getting a .308. I would imagine the future of that round will have a longer life going forward. Cost is another factor.
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30-06, practice with CMP ammo, and 30-08 outshoots a bit farther.
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consider barrel burn as well. 308 gets about 5-6K rounds through it.....30-06 is less, but i'm not sure by how many rounds. my 300 Win-Mag is only good for 1500 rounds.

what are you hunting?
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Some good posts.

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They both have about equal accuracy. They both use the same sized projectile and they are both proven the world over in the field. Ammunition and reloading components are common for both.

The sole advantages of the 30-06 will be availability of cheaper surplus and LC City match ammo, if there is any, and the fact that an '06 can use 220 grain bullets that are useful on bigger game. (A 30-06 180gr will handle any chore in North America, but the heavier bullets are a bit more decisive on big game.)

.308 is generally maxed out with a 180 grain bullet but the action is shorter and sometimes lighter with a shorter bolt throw, making it preferable to some folks.
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Be realistic about what you will be hunting. If the biggest animal in your area is a White Tail Deer than a .243 is plenty of gun. If you have the good size Rocky Mountain Elk in your area like I do then either the .308 or .30-06 are a good call. I have taken many Elk with a .308 with 165gr bullets and it put em down every time. I'm not putting down the .30-06 by any means, just saying that either one is a good way to go for the 48 and Canada. Frank Glaser who hunted Alaska from 1915-1955 and killed more head of big game than anyone before or since tried all types of guns and found the .30-06 to be his favorite.
For me the choice boiled down to economics. I have hunted with both the .308 and the 06 and was satasified with both. I found though that for me the .308 did everything I needed and with a little less powder than the 06 and the guns are a little smaller and a little lighter in .308. For hunting a GOOD QUALITY BULLET is much more important than the cartridge that is launching it.
But when it is all said and done whichever one you chose you won't be sorry.
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I would defualt to the .308 winchester for a number of reasons.

1. There is still some "surplus" ammo out there thats still generally cheaper than 30-06 although the difference is narrowing.

2. The military/NATO still uses it, it will likely be far more plentiful than 30-06.

3. The 30-06 only gives you about 50-100 fps more in velocity using standard loads using 147-165 gr weight bullets. At that difference in bvelocity your target whether it be a deer or a looter wont know the difference in the two. The .308 was basically designed to be a more compact lighter version of the 30-06 anyways hence the lack of difference in the two ballistically. Now if you are going to be using a lot of 180gr loads then you will find a very much more noticable edge in the 30-06 as the velocity gap will widen considerably. You can shoot 180 gr bullets from the 308 but the longer bullets start to take up valuable powder space in an already compact cartridge.

4. If your a handloader, and the recent shortage of ammo should have made you one at this point, you will find the .308 to be a much more economical round to reload. It holds less capacity and can be loaded lighter than the 30-06 with out irradic ignition issues many times found in the 30-06. However if you do hand load you can get right on the heels of the 300 win mag with some loads for the 30-06 although these will certianly be max loadings in most reloading manuals.

5. Shorter actions rifles which the 308 is built on will generally be a bit lighter when the same length barrels are used with the same contuor. They are also theoretically stiffer actions and flex less and as such have more potential for consistent accuracy. There are a lot of other factors though that will affect the accuracy of a specific rifle than just that but its something to think about if your trying to build the "ultimate tack driver".

Both rounds are excellent rounds and will pretty much be equal with a slight edge ballistically on paper going to the 30-06 when using standard pressure loads in factory ammo. Both can be quiet the work horse of a rifle for hunting or sniping, no doubt about that. I chose the 308, its an excellent general purpose round although it lacks a lot of pazazz that many other rounds have. Its more economical to reload which is where about 90% of my ammo comes from. I rarely shoot projectiles heavier than 168 grs and when I need more bullet mass I will defer to a .338 Win Mag. I must admit though I really like the .300 Whisper for my AR and I am about half tempted to buy a rifle action and built a bolt gun on this chambering, talk about effcientcy and a get the job done deer rifle, this one has impressed me even more!
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Have you checked out the .338 Federal? I have both .308 and 06 in pump guns but am looking at the .338 fed as an upper for my AR 10 when it comes in.

the case is a sibling of the .308 but uses the better ballistics of the .338 bullet. It also hits like an 06. It's new but more and more are starting to carry it.
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OK I've narrowed my next rifle down tow Remington 700 SPS. I just can't decide on 30-06 or 308 any suggestions & why. Thanks in advance.
Look further down in the section for this thread or in the General section for the 200 times this has been covered before, since Xmas...

Just check, search...

This damn topic should be a sticky! If it was, I'll bet you we'd still get the question asked again!!!
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consider barrel burn as well. 308 gets about 5-6K rounds through it.....30-06 is less, but i'm not sure by how many rounds. my 300 Win-Mag is only good for 1500 rounds.

what are you hunting?
Paper targets mostley but if needed I want to be able to hunt with it
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Paper targets mostley but if needed I want to be able to hunt with it
Either chambering will fill that role just fine and a doubt youll know the difference between either.

Good point you made badkarma. I forgot about that one! Glad you mentioned it. If memory serves me correct I believe the 30-06 rated about 2500-3000 rounds before barrel errosion becomes a major accuracy issue. The more powder the cartridge contains and the smaller the bore diameter the faster this will occur. This will aslo occur at a faster or slower rate depending on the rate of fire and how hot you allow a barrel to get. Just remember there usually aint any time outs in a gun fight to allow a barrel to cool off! 1500 rounds sounds like a lot of ammo to be putting down range, but lets consider that if you practice and you should, and you expend 80 rounds a month (thats just one box a week) in 18 months of shooting a 300 Win Mag or 7mm Rem Mag your barrel is starting to get pretty well worn at that point. Thats not a lot of shooting to stay profcient! This is why my .338, 300 WM, 7mm RM and .224 TTH dont see much in the way of action these days and the .308 pulls yeoman duty! This is also one of two reasons I use a .223 instead of a 22-250 or 220 Swift for varmint shooting escapades. I give up a bit in effective range but my barrel last a heck of a lot longer and I can reload more 223 rounds with a pound of powder than I can the other two. The varmints are just as dead too.




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Have you checked out the .338 Federal? I have both .308 and 06 in pump guns but am looking at the .338 fed as an upper for my AR 10 when it comes in.

the case is a sibling of the .308 but uses the better ballistics of the .338 bullet. It also hits like an 06. It's new but more and more are starting to carry it.
Yes I have and its a very interesting round with a lot going for it. But will it really catch on and is there really a niche that needs to be filled by it. The 35 Whelen and .338-06 A-Square are bopth excellent rounds but they havent exactly caught on with the shooting public very well. Until it does catch on and show me it has some staying power in the market, I wouldnt chance it unless Im a reloader.
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I prefer 30-06 for hunting, You can utilize heavier bullets in the 30-06, my last Elk was taken with a 180 gr 30-06 at 320 yards.....both are great cartridges though.......
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WEe have three 30-06 Remmington semi automatic rifles. 740 (old) and two 7400 black models. All are very acurate rifles and function great. I have 22 ten round aftermarket magazines for them. Here is a picture of the 7400 scoped with a 10 round Eagle mag. I love this rifle. KF
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