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This has some serious merit for home defense. Personally I'd rather us a .45 carbine over a shotgun. This has really convinced me that a .45 carbine is the better option. Hightower plans to offer the stock kit for all Hi-point carbine calibers.

Compared to a shotgun - a carbine and especially this bullpup version is:
smaller, more maneuverable, more ergonomic, Less recoil, faster target acquisition, faster follow up shots, more rounds and faster reloads, won't blowout your ears (as much), more/better options for sights and lights... this thing looks good too!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V0in7gwNrc this is a video from Hightower going over the stock

"Andy Wentzel of High Tower Armory LLC of Rogers, Minnesota was kind enough to go over some information on the soon to be released MBS 95 bullpup conversion kit for the Hi-point carbine.

1. Could you share with us a bit about the development of this product and what lead High Tower Armory to want to build a bullpup conversion system for the Hi-Point Carbine?
We decided to build a bullpup around the Hi Point carbine for a number of reasons. Like many of our ideas, the seed was planted with requests from some of our customers to make something for the Hi Point carbine. We get a lot of requests for many different firearms but the Hi Point stood out for a number of reasons. First of all, this rifle is value packed; there are a lot of great features for a relatively inexpensive rifle. They are also known for being extremely reliable- another important attribute for a donor rifle. Being we specialize in bullpup platforms, the Hi Point carbine was a natural choice, since it has a mechanical function that lends itself well to a conversion, something other designs may not allow for. There were also some negative things well known about the Hi Point too, which a conversion like our stock could rectify. One of the biggest gripes is the rifle's looks, which are made radically different in our stock. Another big complaint is field stripping and with that in mind, we designed our stock to come apart even more simply than the newer TS models of Hi Point carbines.
Beyond the physical attributes of the gun itself, there were also some other important considerations. Affordability was certainly one of our top considerations. Bullpups are near universally more expensive to produce and keeping the cost of the parent rifle down helps make the overall system more affordable. This affordability has a second benefit, and that is that there is a large following of existing Hi Point owners we can sell to. The fans of the Hi Points are unflinchingly loyal to the brand and get very excited about new accessories for a platform they feel is shortsightedly ignored by the big players in the firearm accessories market. Even people who would have never bought a Hi Point know that the people who do own them seem to only sing the gun's praises. Our theory was, if we could improve on some of the negatives people have to say about the gun, we might be able to convince people to give both Hi Point and HTA a shot for the first time. Lastly, Hi Point, for all the unnecessary heat they get, is the kind of company we admire and want to make products for. They have given even the most impoverished citizens in the country the chance to own affordable, made in the USA, personal protection, backed up with a lifetime, no questions asked warranty.
2. Could you give us a run down on the specifications for the initial offering of the from High Tower Armory (over all length, weight w/ Hi point added, approx. msrp, approx release date, colors, etc)? Will any camo or pattern dips be available?
Length/Weight: Overall LENGTH will be around 26.1" for the 9mm and 27.6 for the 40/45.
Release Date: We are shooting to release sometime in late spring or early summer but it may be sooner or later depending on how things go.
Colors: Black, OD green, FDE and possibly Tan to start with more options (like grey or white) a possibility later. Dips will also be available at some point for sure.
Weight: Hard to say until we have actual molded parts in hand but our projections show that the 40/45 will have a very similar weight to the original (+/- a few ounces) and the 9mm/.380 will probably be slightly heavier- perhaps 4-5 ounces. Even if the kits do get heavier (because of things like the metal trigger link, metal sight rails, high density glass filled polymer, etc) the balance on the kit will be excellent and the weight will be much more manageable in a bullpup form.
MSRP is slated to be around $250 +/- $50.
3. Which Hi-Point Carbine models/caliber will the MBS 95 be compatible with?
We will be making these to fit all 9mm, 40, and 45 carbines and we believe the .380 version will also soon follow. It should fit both the classic and the new TS model guns.
4. What types of magazines (caliber/capacity) is the MBS 95 designed to utilize? Will Redball Sports 20 round magazines function with the MBS 95?
This kit will currently only work with the single stack Hi Point mags and any aftermarket dedicated Hi Point mags like Promag or Red Ball, although we may offer a double stack option at some point. The issue is that the receiver is too narrow to accept any other factory magazines so a solution would have to be made by us specifically for this application. The 4595 stock will also have the option to accept 1911 mags with the addition of a new mag latch we will be producing.
5. What can you tell us about the control set up?
Controls on this kit will be fully ambidextrous. There is a forward charging handle that can be moved from either the left or the right, depending on how the user would prefer to orientate it. The factory safety does work to allow you to lock the action. Likewise, the disc safety below the forward trigger also works too to block our stock's trigger from being pulled. The mag release has been moved since this first prototype was made but it is up by the forward trigger- on the top of the inside of the trigger guard. It is in a similar location to where an AR-15 mag release is located relative to the trigger and it can be activated from both the left and right side of the trigger guard. The last round hold open does still work on TS models and releasing it is the same- you just need to charge the gun again. The charging handle also features the option to manually lock open the bolt by rotating the handle upward into a groove. This feature can be disengaged by hitting the charging handle down and out of the groove.
5. Will there be a shell deflector for left handed shooters?
Yes, a removable shell deflector is being included with each kit to ensure it is fully ambidextrous!
6. Will this come with sights? What is the sight radius?
No sights are included at this time but the aluminum picatinny rail will allow for a wide array of optics and back up sights. We have a pair of generic BUIS and they seem to work well. It's similar in layout and sight radius to a carbine length AR-15.
7. What is the installation process? Are any tools needed?
Installation is a simple drop in process. No tools are needed, other than the Hi Point tool which you may need to use to take apart the factory stock. Also, if you have the original Hi Point hex headed takedown pins, you will need the tool to tighten the pins in place on our stock. Otherwise everything needed for assembly is included and most of the work is a drop in operation."
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what would be the point?.. at home defense distances a handgun does just as well and has the benefit of being used one-handed in case of an injury to you have to reach across your chest laying in bed or something
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what would be the point?.. at home defense distances a handgun does just as well and has the benefit of being used one-handed in case of an injury to you have to reach across your chest laying in bed or something
Bingo.

Pistol calibers are for pistols. Almost without exception.

If you want a rifle, use a rifle caliber. 556, 762, etc.

Shotgun is far superior to a .45 at standard HD ranges. No contest. Watch some ballistic videos.

You want to protect your hearing, put on some ear protection.
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Isn't the HP carbine already a bullpup design, or close to it?
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Well at least it isn't a mosin nagant bullpup kit...
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I actually like the idea. Adds ergonomics. and moves the magazine out of the grip. So you can add a drum (45 acp?) So you don't have a magazine in the grip extending the same distance as the barrel.

I'm not really a fan of bulpups. But the hi-points are just even more ugly in stock form. Polish that turd.
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I can think of several pluses. Longer barrel equals less flash and noise. A bullpup is much easier to navigate a house with than an AR/AK. More weapon control should someone try to take it. Ia fan of the bullpup, have several, and the suppressed tavor is my bump in the night gun. A pistol round would be more appropriate for this role, IMO.
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I would consider one if the price point is not outrageous. I have two 995's in an ATI stock and one still in the TS stock. I like bullpup concepts, balance is much better. I currently have a Walther .22 bullpup and an SKS in a SGW bullpup stock.
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Isn't the HP carbine already a bullpup design, or close to it?
if you mean with the magazine in the grip, not a bullpup but almost as compact as one, the extra complication of trigger linkage and the ejection port being closer to your face isnt worth the few extra inches you get out of it.. if you want to make something like a high point carbine more compact youre better off hacking off about 6 inches of barrel as anything longer than 8-10 inches in a pistol caliber is useless
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I don't own a Hi Point but by all accounts it's reliable and at its price definately a plus. I heard about this bullpup kit and it is intriguing since the ergonomics of the carbine are less than ideal.

However, by the time you pay $2-300 for the base gun and and another $2-300 for this kit, you are closing in on a lot of arguably better options. The biggest negative about Hi Points is the mag limits. The company only makes 10 round mags and while there is now a third party Hi Point approved 20 round option, the inherent single stack design limits the gun. With so many larger capacity mag options, it's hard to justify the Hi Point.


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Hi-Point Carbine Bullpup Kit from Hightower Armory

This has some serious merit for home defense. Personally I'd rather us a .45 carbine over a shotgun. This has really convinced me that a .45 carbine is the better option. Hightower plans to offer the stock kit for all Hi-point carbine calibers.

Compared to a shotgun - a carbine and especially this bullpup version is:
smaller, more maneuverable, more ergonomic, Less recoil, faster target acquisition, faster follow up shots, more rounds and faster reloads, won't blowout your ears (as much), more/better options for sights and lights... this thing looks good too!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V0in7gwNrc this is a video from Hightower going over the stock

"Andy Wentzel of High Tower Armory LLC of Rogers, Minnesota was kind enough to go over some information on the soon to be released MBS 95 bullpup conversion kit for the Hi-point carbine.

1. Could you share with us a bit about the development of this product and what lead High Tower Armory to want to build a bullpup conversion system for the Hi-Point Carbine?
We decided to build a bullpup around the Hi Point carbine for a number of reasons. Like many of our ideas, the seed was planted with requests from some of our customers to make something for the Hi Point carbine. We get a lot of requests for many different firearms but the Hi Point stood out for a number of reasons. First of all, this rifle is value packed; there are a lot of great features for a relatively inexpensive rifle. They are also known for being extremely reliable- another important attribute for a donor rifle. Being we specialize in bullpup platforms, the Hi Point carbine was a natural choice, since it has a mechanical function that lends itself well to a conversion, something other designs may not allow for. There were also some negative things well known about the Hi Point too, which a conversion like our stock could rectify. One of the biggest gripes is the rifle's looks, which are made radically different in our stock. Another big complaint is field stripping and with that in mind, we designed our stock to come apart even more simply than the newer TS models of Hi Point carbines.
Beyond the physical attributes of the gun itself, there were also some other important considerations. Affordability was certainly one of our top considerations. Bullpups are near universally more expensive to produce and keeping the cost of the parent rifle down helps make the overall system more affordable. This affordability has a second benefit, and that is that there is a large following of existing Hi Point owners we can sell to. The fans of the Hi Points are unflinchingly loyal to the brand and get very excited about new accessories for a platform they feel is shortsightedly ignored by the big players in the firearm accessories market. Even people who would have never bought a Hi Point know that the people who do own them seem to only sing the gun's praises. Our theory was, if we could improve on some of the negatives people have to say about the gun, we might be able to convince people to give both Hi Point and HTA a shot for the first time. Lastly, Hi Point, for all the unnecessary heat they get, is the kind of company we admire and want to make products for. They have given even the most impoverished citizens in the country the chance to own affordable, made in the USA, personal protection, backed up with a lifetime, no questions asked warranty.
2. Could you give us a run down on the specifications for the initial offering of the from High Tower Armory (over all length, weight w/ Hi point added, approx. msrp, approx release date, colors, etc)? Will any camo or pattern dips be available?
Length/Weight: Overall LENGTH will be around 26.1" for the 9mm and 27.6 for the 40/45.
Release Date: We are shooting to release sometime in late spring or early summer but it may be sooner or later depending on how things go.
Colors: Black, OD green, FDE and possibly Tan to start with more options (like grey or white) a possibility later. Dips will also be available at some point for sure.
Weight: Hard to say until we have actual molded parts in hand but our projections show that the 40/45 will have a very similar weight to the original (+/- a few ounces) and the 9mm/.380 will probably be slightly heavier- perhaps 4-5 ounces. Even if the kits do get heavier (because of things like the metal trigger link, metal sight rails, high density glass filled polymer, etc) the balance on the kit will be excellent and the weight will be much more manageable in a bullpup form.
MSRP is slated to be around $250 +/- $50.
3. Which Hi-Point Carbine models/caliber will the MBS 95 be compatible with?
We will be making these to fit all 9mm, 40, and 45 carbines and we believe the .380 version will also soon follow. It should fit both the classic and the new TS model guns.
4. What types of magazines (caliber/capacity) is the MBS 95 designed to utilize? Will Redball Sports 20 round magazines function with the MBS 95?
This kit will currently only work with the single stack Hi Point mags and any aftermarket dedicated Hi Point mags like Promag or Red Ball, although we may offer a double stack option at some point. The issue is that the receiver is too narrow to accept any other factory magazines so a solution would have to be made by us specifically for this application. The 4595 stock will also have the option to accept 1911 mags with the addition of a new mag latch we will be producing.
5. What can you tell us about the control set up?
Controls on this kit will be fully ambidextrous. There is a forward charging handle that can be moved from either the left or the right, depending on how the user would prefer to orientate it. The factory safety does work to allow you to lock the action. Likewise, the disc safety below the forward trigger also works too to block our stock's trigger from being pulled. The mag release has been moved since this first prototype was made but it is up by the forward trigger- on the top of the inside of the trigger guard. It is in a similar location to where an AR-15 mag release is located relative to the trigger and it can be activated from both the left and right side of the trigger guard. The last round hold open does still work on TS models and releasing it is the same- you just need to charge the gun again. The charging handle also features the option to manually lock open the bolt by rotating the handle upward into a groove. This feature can be disengaged by hitting the charging handle down and out of the groove.
5. Will there be a shell deflector for left handed shooters?
Yes, a removable shell deflector is being included with each kit to ensure it is fully ambidextrous!
6. Will this come with sights? What is the sight radius?
No sights are included at this time but the aluminum picatinny rail will allow for a wide array of optics and back up sights. We have a pair of generic BUIS and they seem to work well. It's similar in layout and sight radius to a carbine length AR-15.
7. What is the installation process? Are any tools needed?
Installation is a simple drop in process. No tools are needed, other than the Hi Point tool which you may need to use to take apart the factory stock. Also, if you have the original Hi Point hex headed takedown pins, you will need the tool to tighten the pins in place on our stock. Otherwise everything needed for assembly is included and most of the work is a drop in operation."
I have the 45 ACP carbine and the 45 ACP hand gun from HP. I love them both. The carbine and the hand gun take the same mgs. For me this is a good thing, they work great. I have a light with a pressure switch on the forearm, a laser, and a red dot sight on the carbine.
You can't have a better setup for home defense in my opinion.
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It is not like it will void the warranty or anything.
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You can now build a 9mm AR on the cheap through Palmetto State Armory.
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whats the bullpup kit cost to save 6-8 inches?.. whats an SBR tax stamp cost to cut off 6-8 useless inches?

just cut down the barrel
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It does look nifty for the range.

However, if I'm using a pistol cartridge for self defense with the same capacity, I would rather have it in handgun form. Sticking pistol cartridges in rifles and rifle cartridges in pistols has never made much sense to me, outside of the "cool factor," and in magnum cartridges with lever guns that can gain velocity and ammunition versatility.
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I bought a pair of the .45 carbines to fill much needed gaps.

Above and beyond the magazine size issues here in Canada, I plan to bug in for lots of events so I wanted something to bridge the gap between rifle and pistol in a suburban setting. Something where I can reach out beyond pistol range accurately but NOT have to worry as much about the projectile carrying on and through well beyond that.

Personally, I don't want bullets I fire to have "follow through", well beyond my effective operations range, when engaging targets in an urban or suburban environment. I do not want to miss a target in my back yard and have it blow through a home ten blocks away.

In my mind, PCC fulfill those needs for something that reaches out beyond handgun range but not with rifle range and power.. And they definitely allow me high levels of accuracy at ranges farther than I would be comfortable with iron sights on a pistol.

The other nice thing is that the average person is entirely ignorant of firearms; they see a PCC and assume it is some sort of rifle. Hi Points in their resin stock give the "ominous black rifle" aura for most people, granting some psychological advantage.
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I like it just because it makes the HP haters heads explode...
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Nearly everyone can shoot a carbine more accurately than a pistol. And yes a rifle has more velocity but few have the mass of a 45 ACP. And in close quarters your 2000+ fps rifle will zip thru your opponent imparting much less energy than it would at greater distances.
Plenty of warriors in past conflicts used the Thompson to great effect at close range and there is plenty of stopping power data for the 45 ACP. Sure a 12 gauge can impart serious damage but not if you miss. Same is true for other options.
The wife night not like your handgun in 45 ACP but am betting she could shoot a bullpup carbine with less objections....and more accurately....and I know the 12 gauge would be a bigger handfull for her. Same goes for the younger crowd. And shooting the bullpup one handed will be easier for everyone too.
I see clear advantage of same caliber same mags for not only multiple 1911s in an arsenal, but using them in a bullpup carbine adds to versatility.
We can argue all day about merits of this over that... and one size will never fit all when it comes to weaponry. But minimal different calibers, magazines etc is a good place to start in building your battery of weapons.
Would I buy a new 1911 just so I could get a bullpup kit for it....no. But I'm a cheapskate. I would however buy a kit for converting one of a multitude of 1911s in my possession if I had multiples. One can convert it back whenever one wanted. To me its like getting a 22LR conversion kit for your 1911....or whatever semi-auto brand pistol you like. Conversions are typically cheaper than a caliber specific gun and make for great way to practice with your primary defense pistol without spending as much money on ammo. Though these days 22LR is still a lot more expensive than it should be so this is less a merit than in the past.
My real concern is how accurate is the conversion. and is it durable. Same concerns with buying any new gun.
Definitely...by the responses ...not an option for everyone... but that's the beauty of having so many choices.
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Clearly, a pistol caliber carbine is not a substitute for a real center fire rifle. However, the 45ACP is a great choice for suppression. And a suppressed 45 carbine makes a fantastic backyard range gun. More accurate than a pistol, low recoil, very quiet so the neighbors are happy.

There is a place for such a "toy".
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