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Old 01-27-2008, 03:36 AM
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I just finished a movie that referred to wrapping a bullet in a piece of paper so that the gun won't leave markings on it. I searched Google and wikipedia for any information on it but didn't turn anything up. Does anyone know if this is even possible?

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Old 01-27-2008, 03:52 AM
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Im guessing you saw the movie "Shooter"? It's an interesting thought of doing that to cover your tracks, but I can't find any real evidence of it ever being done. It is Hollywood after all, you can't believe everything you see in the movies, especially when it comes to guns. But who knows, could be real, or it could be Hollywood, let me know if you find anything.
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Yeah, thats the one, pretty good movie i though. It could be real, or not, there is no telling, but ill keep looking xD
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Yeah that movie was really good, lemme know if you find anything. I will do the same.
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I would have a very hard time believing that an object traveling down a tube of steel making contact the whole way, with an incredibly powerful burst of gases and fire behind it, traveling at thousands of feet per second would maintain a piece of paper wrapped around it.
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If only I knew that name of that book he had, and if it was a real book or not xD
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i'm calling BS here. Without contact with the rifling and crenels, the bullet is not accurate. if the primer doesn't have contact with the pin the cartridge doesn't go off.
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A bullet squeezes down the bore pretty tight, I can't see the paper staying in place at all. It is also exposed to fire during the process, which we all know is not paper friendly.
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Its movie BS. Just like brue willis in die hard ... "I was shot by a plastic gun with a ceramic barrel." (the guy shot him with a glock).

It does sell tickets though.
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Paper? I doubt it. Plastic on the other hand works great, have a look here at "slap" ammunition for the big 50. http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...tions/slap.htm
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something I never understood on myth busters.... the try the dry ice bullet thing in a rifle, but WITHOUT SABOTS. It seems that a 12 gauge shooting a 50 cal dry ice would not burn up in the barrel on the way out, which is what happened in the rifle.
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Revolvers don't spit shells with calibers and finger prints. That is one reason I carry them. A partial piece of squashed lead is no where near the evidence. Imagine picking up the pieces of 357 lead wad cutters.
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It's refered to as paper patching, and was a common practice with early black powder cartridges. It was employed to get a good seal between the bore and bullet. The thickness of the paper wrap could be varied to achieve the desired results...
Not a commonly employed technique in this day and age...except maybe in the movies....
The best was Quigly Down Under, his cartridges were paper patched and correct for the period.
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Paper wrapped bullets where used with black powder cartridge rifles and could be accurate. The wrap functions similr to the copper jackets we now sealing the bullet and preventing leading. I have wondered if I could paper wrap a 7mm bullet to work in my 7.35mm Carcano. I would probably need to keep my velocity down to under1000 fps.
As to leaving rifling, I doubt it would leave any on the bullet and I would expect the paper to strip off in flight too. A die that casts significantly under size might work too.

See http://www.iastate.edu/~codi/PPB/PPB.html for more.

While I have had decent results with both .452" and .450" bullets, I decided to make my own bullets in a .443" diameter. My patching material (Eaton's 9 pound airmail paper, 25% rag) will add .007" of diameter to the bullet, making my finished projectile exactly bore diameter. I believe that most, if not all, of the original buffalo rifles shot bullets that, as patched, were bore diameter or just slightly more. I have it on the good authority of Dr. **** Gunn that Sharps' paper-patched, long-range and hunting bullets were designed to be about .002" greater (as patched) than bore diameter, but considerably less than the typical .458" groove diameter. A drawing, by ****, of an original Sharps 45-550 is shown in the figure below.
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It has been a long time, but in the book, they tried to frame the hero by getting a basically undamaged bullet, fired from his .30 caliber (Have to read the method), paper wrapping it, reloading it, into a .338. I believe, making sort of a sabot, then assassinating someone. The bullet, then, of course , only showed the rifling, from his rifle. It sounds doubtful at best, but the guy writes great books.
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Paper patching is still used in Black Powder Cartridge Rifle competitions and in reloading for smokeless cartridges that have an uncommon bore diameter, so a smaller diameter bullet is paper patched and loaded, the paper making up the diameter difference. There is a special way of doing it ,you don't just wrap some paper around the bullet and crimp it in the case. Do a seach of "Paper patched bullets" it opens a whole new level of reloading if you have old military rifles with non-common bore diameters.
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Yeah....and if you spray silicone on the bullet,it will go right thru a vest....
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Its movie BS. Just like brue willis in die hard ... "I was shot by a plastic gun with a ceramic barrel." (the guy shot him with a glock).

It does sell tickets though.

Would you be referring to the Glock 7, the porcelain gun made in Germany that doesn't show up on airport x-ray machines and costs more than you make in a month? Yeah, doesn't exist. It did get a whole lot of people arrested, though.
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I would have a very hard time believing that an object traveling down a tube of steel making contact the whole way, with an incredibly powerful burst of gases and fire behind it, traveling at thousands of feet per second would maintain a piece of paper wrapped around it.
I would think so too , BUT the quicksilver-in-a-hollow-point-topped-with-wax should be true (with the pressures involved, spinning forces etc kinda unbelievable ), so maybe this 1 could also be true

If I am wrong please correct me for I cannot back this up with testimony or facts

edit: Nah who am I ****tin no way this or that could be true ( just bumped my head on a cupboard , must have knocked me to my senses):o
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I view the paper patched bullt as the forerunner to the jacketed bullet, I can find no useful information or mention of using a paper patch on a jacketed bullet, paper patching would defeat the purpose of using a copper jacket...Why put a jacket on a jacket?
A Colonel Harrison of the NRA technical staff tested paper patching and was able to drive lead .30 cal bullets accuruately at velocities up to 3000 feet per second (page # 114 of the Lyman cast bullet hand book).
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