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Old 06-11-2009, 12:17 AM
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I've have been looking at gas masks with a NBC filter, and I wonder what is a good mask and why? I have seen a lot of M61 finish masks at a good price and wonder are they good masks?
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I've seen some at the army/navy store...
Any thought on these anyone?
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How about a new one that is used by fighting groups like the MSA 1000 or the Millennium.
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How about a new one that is used by fighting groups like the MSA 1000 or the Millennium.
Where do you find them, and how much do they cost? I know you can not put a cost on safety, but I can put a cost on mine lol.
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Where do you find them, and how much do they cost? I know you can not put a cost on safety, but I can put a cost on mine lol.
Actually, since they are new military issue you probably won't be able to find them surplus for a long while.
I could be wrong though.
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Ok just found a few and for the whole thing it is a bit rich for my blood lol
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Actually, since they are new military issue you probably won't be able to find them surplus for a long while.
I could be wrong though.
found one complete and new for 189.00
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Ok just found a few and for the whole thing it is a bit rich for my blood lol
Where did you find it?
I searched google and didn't see anything?
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Ebay here ya go
http://cgi.ebay.com/MSA-813861-Advan...lenotsupported
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yeah I have been looking at the M61 which on average sells for 17 dollars including shipping on Ebay with at least one NBC canister, but I don't know sh1t about masks and don't know how good they are.
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the old ones will probably save a life with a new cartridge but you pay for what you get. before you invest research how long those cartridges work for after opened, procedures against different gasses, decon, etc. when you realize how hard it is to attack masses with those weapons and how ineffective any mask is, you may rethink your strategy. the only military units that really train for such things are are first responders like gate guards who face terrorism. it shows when you compare there MSA 1000 masks to the old m40 crap everyone else gets.
theres a lot more threats to worry about besides gas, not including bubba and those cans of baked beans you stored in the fallout shelter
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galls or other police eqp distributors would have all those goodies in stock as well as manuals
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So will the m61 do what I need, which is last long enough for me to bug out and get to my spot?
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Default Might want to look at these as well.....

I have 4 of each of these masks with NEW filters obtained from Lab Safety Supply as well as other vendors..read the reviews that others have left for these...hope it helps give you an affordable, yet functional and working solution.

They are surplus masks, I'd advise getting new filters but I wouldn't go chunking money at $189.00 masks if a decent surplus one will do the job just as well.

The Isreali Mask just come in a box and may or may not have a drinking tube (all mine I ordered did). A gallon Ziplock bag works well for storage.

The other two came with carry bags. The finnish bag is canvas and has powder and lens wipes. The Czech was an NBC protective vinyl bag, spare eye lenses and caps.
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Israeli M15 Adult Gas Mask New Protection from Flu Virus Fully Adjustable and Includes Drinking Tube Filter
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Original Israeli M15 Gas Mask. Protect against airborne virus and bacteria -Flu Pandamic protection.
Constructed of heavy duty yet comfortable, form fitting rubber. This gas mask is currently issued to civilian populations in the middle east and has proven itself over and over again. Brand new with 1 new filter, drinking water tube and color instruction brochure, fully adjustable, sized for adult and safeguards against chemical, nuclear or bio hazards, both are dated 1980 to 1990. An absolute requirement in our present time of world uncertainty. This mask uses a commonly found 40mm NATO filter that easily threads into the front of the mask.
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OM10 Gas Mask,Filter, Storage Bag Airborne Virus Protection Protect against Nuclear, Bio, Chemical, H1N1 Flu Virus
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Military Issue Gas Mask Set is perfect for Chemical, Biological, and even Nuclear Agents. Unlike other masks, this Military Issue Mask is the real deal and covers the full face. Protect against airborne virus and bacteria -Flu Pandamic protection.

During Nuclear detonation-radioactive dust and debris is thrown miles into the atmosphere and transferred by prevailing winds hundreds even thousands of miles away.

Original NBC Gas Mask set complete with gas mask, storage bag (styles vary) and new sealed cheek filters. Large eye holes for full field of view and can be worn with eyeglases, most have a drink tube (no choice), and fully adjustable for snug fit. The mask is in very good used condition, the filters are new, both are dated 1980 to 1990. Czech Model OM10 designed for protection from air borne contaminates.

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Finnish Gas Mask, Filter and Bag in New Condition Protect Against Airborne Virus and Bacteria -Flu Pandamic
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Original Finnish gas mask will Protect against airborne virus and bacteria -Flu Pandamic protection.

Constructed of heavy-duty, form-fitting rubber. Brand new mask and new 60mm threaded filter packed in an OD canvas carrying bag with shoulder straps, both mask and filters dated 1980 to 1990. Fully adjustable, sized for adults, and safeguards against chemical, nuclear or biohazards. New unissued condition.
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The problems with MOST surplus masks is that the materials that they are made of will deteriorate when exposed to some chemical agents, rendering the mask completely useless as the seal will be broken and the chemicals will bypass the filter killing you!!

The only surplus masks that are still effective against ALL known NBC agents are the Israeli M-15 (less than 20 years old - check the date on the cheek) and the US M-40.

Be wary when purchasing labeled "NEW" production filters (which are the only kinds you should purchase.) Read my post here: http://www.survivalistboards.com/sho...highlight=mask

Here is another thread where masks have been talked about at length: http://www.survivalistboards.com/sho...highlight=mask

This place sells new style gas masks - you must still be wary when purchasing filters from them, as even the new filters had been on the shelves for years and so do not have as much shelf life remaining as is advertised: http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/
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The problems with MOST surplus masks is that the materials that they are made of will deteriorate when exposed to some chemical agents, rendering the mask completely useless as the seal will be broken and the chemicals will bypass the filter killing you!!

The only surplus masks that are still effective against ALL known NBC agents are the Israeli M-15 (less than 20 years old - check the date on the cheek) and the US M-40.

Be wary when purchasing labeled "NEW" production filters (which are the only kinds you should purchase.) Read my post here: http://www.survivalistboards.com/sho...highlight=mask

Here is another thread where masks have been talked about at length: http://www.survivalistboards.com/sho...highlight=mask

This place sells new style gas masks - you must still be wary when purchasing filters from them, as even the new filters had been on the shelves for years and so do not have as much shelf life remaining as is advertised: http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/
Frankly, if an average person (civvie) is exposed to most military/warfare chemical agents, unless they are protected by an entire NBC suit, properly donned and taped, along with antropine self injectors just in case, the chance of skin/contact absorbtion makes the fact they are wearing a mask moot.
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Frankly, if an average person (civvie) is exposed to most military/warfare chemical agents, unless they are protected by an entire NBC suit, properly donned and taped, along with antropine self injectors just in case, the chance of skin/contact absorbtion makes the fact they are wearing a mask moot.
Agreed, but the post did not ask about the other stuff. Personally, if you have the mask and filters, you should have the suit, boots, gloves, wipes, M8 and M9 paper, etc., too.

However, put on an old surplus military mask and walk through a cloud of chlorine gas/mist, phosgene, or ammonia (none of which require a suit to survive, and all of which are possible hazards that a civilian could be exposed to in most areas of the country from industrial and/or traffic/train accidents) and you'll likely suffocate from exposure to the gases due to the seals on the masks failing.

You only have to read the headlines to get the idea:

http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/83/i02/8302train.html

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-119272187.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=2

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-ammonia_N.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21777101/

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/09/11/us...-gas-leak.html

http://www.icis.com/Articles/1994/04...gene-leak.html

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You just never know when one leak may be a huge issue and break containment.

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What about the model 68 tactical apr mask?
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