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Old 06-09-2009, 04:32 PM
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What are your thoughts on this? I know overpenetration would be a huge issue in an urban neighborhood. Is there any ammo I could use to reduce the risk of collateral damage, hollowpoints maybe? I do not intend this to be my home defense weapon, I have revolvers for that. I do see myself taking it with me on remote wilderness trips. How does it compare to 44mag or 357mag as far as overpenetration goes? I like the politically correct look of an old winchester. It could come in handy in court.
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You need something that will punch through cinder blocks anyway.
Barrier penetration is desirable IMO.
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What are your thoughts on this? I know overpenetration would be a huge issue in an urban neighborhood. Is there any ammo I could use to reduce the risk of collateral damage, hollowpoints maybe?
Not really. Not for 30-30. There are frangible rounds for 7.62x39 and .223 that work better for HD but I don't think they make a round nose version that would suit a tubular mag.


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I do not intend this to be my home defense weapon, I have revolvers for that. I do see myself taking it with me on remote wilderness trips. How does it compare to 44mag or 357mag as far as overpenetration goes? I like the politically correct look of an old winchester. It could come in handy in court.
As in not for home defense contrary to thread title?
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It will sail right through the human body well out beyond 100yds.
OVER penetration is not even an issue with a 30-30.... where the bullet goes after it punches right through is.
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IF you live levers, get a lever action and shoot 38 or 44 special rounds. .30-30 is a rifle round, it uses 3 times as much powder as handgun calibers. 2300 fps versus 1300 fps is a big difference.

Besides, optimally you should not reload for self defense. Your loads should be relatively new.
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If you can get your round in a Glaser bullet then any rifle caliber will be fine for Home Defense.

Here you go, DPX rounds https://www.dakotaammo.net/shop/prod...id=e60412398d7
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if you reload, 10gr of unique and a 165ish grain bullet would be a good home defence round, fun plinker too
but the 12ga with buckshot is a better option
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if you reload, 10gr of unique and a 165ish grain bullet would be a good home defence round, fun plinker too
but the 12ga with buckshot is a better option
+1. Shotgun and handgun for HD IMO. 30-30 is a great bush gun though.
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.44 magnum marlin lever rifle with hollow points. Enough said!
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.44 magnum marlin lever rifle with hollow points. Enough said!
.....and hope you don't miss and kill your neighbor's kid while she sleeps in her crib. Good one.
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Get yourself a mares leg, the shorter barrel should reduce the overpenetration problem.

keep in mind that I know virtually nothing about a 30-30, I don't even know if you can get those anymore, but an experianced gunsmith or skilled civilian could probably do it without much trouble.





(Off Topic - I would rather have a new remington lever action 30-06 anyway.
sidenote - I am way the hell out in the boonies so overpenetration is a plus for me)
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Stick with a handgun or shotgun. 30-30 is too much for inside the house.
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Ammo selection, not caliber is the secret.
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This website, http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm, boasts a cartridge adapter for the 30-30 to .32 H&R Mag and .32 ACP. This might be a home defense answer for the .30-30 as well as more versatility in other uses.
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I'm thinking Hornady makes a .30cal 110gr HP that would work in a tube mag. I know that it opens up at moderate velocities in a .308, explodes at high speeds.
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If it's not for home defense then I do not understand your post!!!!
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30-30 would probably look bad in court, especially if you have the option of a shotgun loaded with buckshot.
I imagine a 30-30 could over penetrate and hit someone you don't intend.
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You guys are missing the point, it is not the type of gun that you use that will jam you up in court, it is the ammo. If you use ANY firearm and use hollow points it will be argued that you were going for the biggest wound possible, regardless if it is safer. You absolutely to cover your own must use a round such as CORBON, Glaser, and other home defense ammo to truly be able to argue clearly that your intent was to defend. All it takes is an over zealous DA to press charges. I have read of people getting jammed up for using 9mm pistols all because they were loaded with "powerful hollow point man killers".
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First of the best rounds for the .30-30 for home defense are the following Remington 55 gr Accelerator (Cat # 3030A), Federals 125gr HP Power-Shock (Cat # 3030C) and 150gr Super-X HP (Cat #X30301).


ALL OF THE ABOVE WILL FRAGMENT ON IMPACT!!!!

It won't matter with any of the above cartridges are shot out of a 16"-24" barrel the results are the same. These bulliets are as good as it gets for the .30-30 and there available nationwide. The Federal 125gr HP getting the nod as the go to round for lighter recoil in a full bore round.

The Accelerator 55gr saboted soft point- can with the Remington blessing (Thus no idiot warning on the box) load a whole mags worth the tips are so soft they will disform and never cause a "chain fire". The round leaves the barrel faster than a .223 out of a AR. So it to will shatter in 12" of flesh.

Then theres 150gr Super-X also has a excellent track record for fragmenting. It's the constructed the way soft points and Hollow Points for the .30-30 used to be, when they first started to improve the wounding ability. It has a thin jacket versus the thick jackets of current rounds. It's not the best for larger game, but a great round for varmiting and deer. And in this case hostile erect bipeds. I'm glad to see Winchester had the smarts to keep one round in the line up, just for such a use!!!


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Yes there are 110gr. hp in .30 cal. I have used them alot in the past, have had good luck with them, very high speed, almost too much, but overpenetration, in the normal definition, is almost nil. Although as every educated member here knows, there is always a chance for a through and through shot, regardless of what is being used. As far as 30-30 for home defense? Depends on where you live, apartment, no, rural, yes. I have one, along with the shotgun, handgun, blah blah blah. Your handgun should be used to get you to your rifle, shotgun.
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Handgun and buckshot or slug penetrate too. They do not just disappear.
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