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Old 01-23-2009, 04:50 PM
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Hey guys I was thinking of building an underground "root cellar/storm shelter" using a plastic pipe/culvert.

Do they make these 8+ feet diameter?

If so, any idea how the cost compares to steel & metal?
Old 01-23-2009, 05:13 PM
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I use this on a daily basis in my work.
Not very practical.
expensive
difficult to transport
larger sizes are a specialist product
Have you considered casting a concrete structure?
cheaper and would draw less attention than a massive lorry turning up with a length of Pipe on the back.
If you are still interested search the net for either HDPE or PE pipe suppliers.
Good luck
Old 01-23-2009, 10:24 PM
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It's funny that you posted this I was just trying to learn about the same thing. I think I googled Large diameter pipe and about the third one down or so had some really good ideas. This company was also capable of rolling and welding water tower tanks so any size should be achievable. The only problem was there werent any prices listed.
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I know corrugated metal pipe comes in at least 10' diameter. Maybe cheaper than hdpe (plastic pipe) when it gets that large. Used to spec that for underground storm water retention. By code we also had to install manholes for access. Price I'm not sure of. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Think it would be cheaper to just buy a used cargo container for 1-2.5 grand and barring that, thats what I have thought about doing. Or I may do an in hill structure out of blocks and burying it.

I can't put anything in the ground water level is to high.
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I looked into it and the high price amazed me, then I looked at steel containers and that also amazed me. Concrete would be cheaper IMO.
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Why not bury a 55 gallon water container with lid? I have a couple I was thinking of using for storage on my property.
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easiest would be a 20 or 40 foot cargo container stuck into the side of a hill.you can pile up to 3 feet of dirt without reinforcement,if you cover the top with railroad ties you can put ten feet of dirt on it.I would get a roofing company to spray it with hot tar to rustproof it before burying it.
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I would think that pouring a conc. slab and using surface bonded concrete block would be the cheapest and best way to go.
Surface Bonded construction
Roofing could be timbers with plastic sheet or buy some old billboard "tarps" they are 14'x40' in size. Look at building underground or inground homes for more info.
Here is another method
$50 & up underground home

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easiest would be a 20 or 40 foot cargo container stuck into the side of a hill.you can pile up to 3 feet of dirt without reinforcement,if you cover the top with railroad ties you can put ten feet of dirt on it.I would get a roofing company to spray it with hot tar to rustproof it before burying it.
Ever done it yourself?
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We helped a friend get a 36'' plastic pipe and it went for $40 a foot.
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My cousin got an old 12' dia. gas storage tank for hauling it away. After cutting a door in one end, he cleaned and re-cleaned the inside many time to make sure there would be no smell. After adding a vent stack, he then buried it. He used gravel to make a level floor. He added beds shelves for storage, and even electricty from the gric, or from a nearby generator.
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Hey guys I was thinking of building an underground "root cellar/storm shelter" using a plastic pipe/culvert.

Do they make these 8+ feet diameter?

If so, any idea how the cost compares to steel & metal?
Your 8' might make you feel too enclosed. If you get a 10' you also have room to put in a floor with storage underneath. You might want to keep that in mind.
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10 ft diameter corrugated goes for about $100/ linear ft usually in 20 ft sections
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Default Suppliers of this 10 ft corrugated pipe?

Hheelllo,

Title says it all...where would one find such suppliers
cuz not all of us are civil engineers or work for a municipality
or such....

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10 ft diameter corrugated goes for about $100/ linear ft usually in 20 ft sections
In my neck of the woods It can be alot cheaper but it depends on what type/sch. you want also 16ft is a common lenth for hancor generic

I would call around locally at drainage/sewer supply - also see if anyone locally is useing similar material they will usually have scrap that they will throw out

CINDER BLOCKS ?
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I just called US Steel here in Utah and the 4 gauge 10’ diameter is 160.00 per foot the 12 gauge 10’ Diameter 98.00 per foot here in Utah that does not include delivery. And there is a 10 foot min.
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I would go with corrugted plastic quaranted cheaper and last longer

http://www.hancor.com/product/sanitite.html - something like this stuff
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easiest would be a 20 or 40 foot cargo container stuck into the side of a hill.you can pile up to 3 feet of dirt without reinforcement,if you cover the top with railroad ties you can put ten feet of dirt on it.I would get a roofing company to spray it with hot tar to rustproof it before burying it.
There are lots of threads here that would argue your idea is flawed.
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Hheelllo,

Title says it all...where would one find such suppliers
cuz not all of us are civil engineers or work for a municipality
or such....

Sincerely,

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We have an industrial supplier here who sells it. They have a big store. You can buy sealants, dyes for coloring concrete, mortar, culvert - you name it for underground construction. The independent underground or road/driveway contractors have to buy their supplies somewhere.

You can buy culvert by the foot and they will cut it. Often it is necessary to have an exact length. They will deliver it and set it in place with a boom truck.

It's not practical because the floor is round and the ends are open. I'd build it out of concrete, or a concrete slab and block. I'd plan for drainage and I'd seal the outside walls and roof.

When you expect it to hold back the weight of dirt and/or gravel, you have to tie the walls to the floor with rebar. The floor should have rebar as must the roof.

You need to know if you have expansive soil. Clay expands when it gets wet, and shrinks when it dries. Loamy soil doesn't. All I can tell you is to search the net for information on how to prep for expansive soils. It's not harder than what I mention below.

A French drain must be put around it, and drain rock in fabric put nearly to the tops of the walls. That drains into the French drain.

Another option is to pour a slab using rebar in the slab and also sticking up for walls. Then build the form using rebar and covering that with screen, and then having it finished with shotcrete. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that this way would be faster and maybe even cheaper. You'd still need all of the drains. See this:

Link for shotcrete explanation

Shotcrete Pictures

If you are artistic, you could even carve and color it (with powdered concrete color) to look like a retaining wall. Hidden in plain sight.

http://burtsconcrete.com/yahoo_site_...110547_std.jpg

http://www.tbhdrill.com/images/photo...ved_finish.jpg
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