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Old 01-15-2009, 10:04 PM
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Is this possible? The land we would retreat to has 2 caves about the size of a regular basement. Of course, there is also a cellar, but it is separate from the house and I would think that solid rock would provide better protection.
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I believe you are correct as far as protection, however, the question comes in to play on how you would keep from contaminating yourselves without plumbing. (harder to install in solid rock.)
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Did not think of that. Of course we could just install the plumbing and have the piping go right out the cave exit.

What would be a good way to close the cave exit? I would obviously use concrete but would could I use as a door?
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Airborne radiation? i.e. fallout. Perhaps you will get lucky given the weather at the time of the blinding white flash (away from your cave). Otherwise, I'd rethink this idea.
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how would fallout affect me any differently than if i was in a basement?
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I'm not so sure I'd use a natural formation of unknown structural soundness to shelter in during a nuclear event.
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ground is great protection from radiation, the onlyting is trying to block the front and any incoming air. I'd say its a start and alot better that a tube tent...
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Sandbags would do to close off the entrance temporarly
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Well if the cave has a turn or curve in the entrance about 90deg this would be able to attenuate the radiation. Of course the more the turn and the longer the entrance the better. If there is no turn and or if the cave entrance is not long at all, you could elongate it and add in a 90deg turn using sand bags or the like to create that barrier. Remember you do not want to restrict air flow (the air is not radioactive) you want to attenuate the radiation and stop radioactive particles from entering the shelter.

Also as was said the cave could collapse from the ground movement caused by the explosion and impact. The ground can move violently from a nuclear explosion.

A cave would be hard to ventilate because of only 1 entrance but there are ways you can do it.

For waste I wouldn't bother putting in pipes or anything like that, you could just put a 50 gal drum or something similar right next to the entrance and put your waste in there. You can expose yourself to radiation for short periods of time without putting yourself in danger.
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If I had to run and hide I might go in. But bugging out to one I wouldnt do. Too many hazzards.
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Cool Idea though. Just my opinion, I would rather bug out in a house or some other structure.
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A cave would work great,but like Eeyore said,plug the entrance with sandbags.Ventilation is the biggest obstacle. Pre-position a hand crank blower and filter assembly,along with a couple boxes of 12-16 inch insulated flex duct.
Cresson Kearney dealt with these issues in his video series,Nuclear war Survival skills.
Count yourself very lucky to have these caves at your disposal.
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If I had to run and hide I might go in. But bugging out to one I wouldnt do. Too many hazzards.
Take cover in a ditch/trench or any depression in the ground ASAP. If you survive, then go to your cave/cellar
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Your orders are to now procure a minimum of 5 photographs of said caves,and post them here,asap...
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Your orders are to now procure a minimum of 5 photographs of said caves,and post them here,asap...
Its about three hours away and I probably wont be going to the area until at least February. Even then, I might not go to my retreat because I usually stay at a family member's house.
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Mine is a similar question... in my bug out area there's two old abandoned mines... I just returned sunday's night so I won't be going again until March... If I go before that I'll post pictures...
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Mine is a similar question... in my bug out area there's two old abandoned mines... I just returned sunday's night so I won't be going again until March... If I go before that I'll post pictures...
Consider you might be the only one interested in the mines.
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Make sure the mine/cave has a good air flow and the mine does not create any deadly gasses...Also dampness can cause health problems if inside a mine/cave for several days....Are there poisoness snakes ect.???? Are there bears in the area ????? Some mines/caves with a large bat population are a health hazard due to all the bat droppings...
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Is this possible? The land we would retreat to has 2 caves about the size of a regular basement. Of course, there is also a cellar, but it is separate from the house and I would think that solid rock would provide better protection.
Hello fellow hoosier. A bit of advice from a caver who has worked underground (commercial tour cave), Cave rescue, water studied, mapped, and installed gates on who knows how many cave projects. 1st I am jealous. Anyone that owns a cave I am in awe of. 2nd. Where is your water table and how likely is the cave to flood? 3rd. Radon gas levels 4th. How big is the cave? If you have a basement size room, what made it? (water) and their should be more passageway (btw I would be willing to take look for you.) for that matter anyone affiliated with the National Speleological Society would generally be willing to map and explore any cave they get a chance to. As far as long term shelter, you bet its a viable option. Be aware that caves breathe and water flows, so contaminantes can and will get into the cave environment. As far as closing off the entrance. Concrete, rebar and building a gat to allow air (and bats) to flow in and out is best.
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