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Old 12-24-2008, 10:41 PM
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I am in the market for a good over under shotgun rifle combo. I really don't want a .410, prefer a 20 or 12 gauge. I am leaning on 20 gauge cause I have a remmington 870. My main interested is to use this for varmit hunting (.223/20 or 12 gauge) or squirrel/rabbit hunting (22lr/20 or 12). I saw the remmintgon spr94 in person it was the 410/22lr one. Looked rather flimsy to me. The 22lr could be bent by squeezing it between the shotgun barrel with 2 fingers.

Anyone have any experience with a savage 24? maybe the springfield m6?
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I have a Savage .222/20ga over under that is a really nice gun. You might consider something like this. It has the .20 gauge and the .222 is powerfull enough for most things.
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Saw alot of them in 222. Is that round easy to come by? Can the barrel be worked in to a 223? Was leaning towards the 20/22lr or 20/30-30.

I've been reading that the savage combo's have a tendancy for the two barrel to twist, causing the barrel aim of one to be off. Anyone have this problem. Those savages have the rifle bore on top, which might help keep a scope inline. With the M6 can a scope be mounted? I am left handed with a right eye dominance, so a scope is pretty much needed.

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Old 12-27-2008, 11:11 PM
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Locally, an FFL had a Savage .223/12 gauge and it was $550 used. Baikal/IZH of Russia made rifle & shotgun combos a few years back. I've seen one that was a 7.62X54R/12g. You may want to check Gunbroker for one.
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I looked at the M6 in person. Looks simple and reliable, but the trigger isn't traditional. you squeeze it like using pliers. Looks like you could get hurt by accident IF you fell with that thing. After seeing that, I didn't look further into that one.

Baikal makes the SPR 94 remmingtons in .410/22lr or 22wsm for about 375. for 600 they have a 12ga/.223. Still debating on this. I personally think a semi-auto is out of my choce for the next rifle.
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Not sure MCAce is still in business, but if they are you can make your own combo by getting a Stoeger Condor Outback 20 gauge O/U and adding a .30/30 insert barrel.
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Nice. They're still in business.

http://www.mcace.com/Insertsindex.htm

I was considering keeping .30-30 my sole full sized caliber and maybe adding 243 or 22-250 for my varmit or back-up full sized rifle needs. Might get the 22lr too. Very handy small game combo.


I been peeking at the stoeger guns. Think their made by benelli? Are they decent? Not all the time you get what you pay for, but they are rather affordable.

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Benelli is the parent company now, and according to them, Stoeger firearms, though less expensive, are of good quality. I don't have any (yet), but I've heard from several people that do have them that they are more than acceptable quality for working guns. I know there are a lot of SxS doubles in the Cowboy shooting sports.
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Nice, I would like an 8x57 and 12 Gauge combo.
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The savage model 24's are good reliable guns. I have been shooting mine for close to 30 years without a problem
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Have a M6(22 Hornet over 410) and Savage 24 22LR over 20. Both neat guns,have in stock ammo storage, but 12ga will offer a much greater choice of types of rounds. The .223 over 12 seems very practicle. A faster twist
(1-9) would make heavier bullets more practicle.
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I bought the 20 gauge / 30-30 version. I actually don't think the gun si that useful. Trying to shoot a moving target is much harder with that gun than it is with a proper shotgun. Mainly no vented rib.

When shooting trap, I hit 12 out of 25 with the savage combo. With my 20ga 870, I get about 18. With my 12ga over under shotgun, I get about 20-22 out of 25 birds thrown. And this is with the rear sight turned down, I'd imagine it would be even worse with the sight up.

Really, big game hunting and small game hunting are two different activities. IF you sitting waiting for big game, then keep a shotgun or 22lr handy along with your big game rifle.

In my state, you are not allowed to hunt big game with a firearm that fires mutliple projectiles with one shot. They mean buckshot mainly. However, bird shot is still under the statue. The same section of the law says no rimfire ammo too.

I never messed with this, but an over under with a double bead could work as a 50 yard slug gun. Line up the beads and know how to compensate and you should be eating venison steaks without much trouble. You would need a shotgun with selectable barrels. Some basic over unders just shoot one barrel first. My Citori's can pick which barrel shoots first.
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I just got my Savage 24 in 223. and 12. have not gotten to the range with it yet. but to me it seems kinda heavy and to open the breach it takes some effort. other tan that i like it.
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My go to "woods" gun is a Blaser BBF97 12 ga over 308 with 20" barrels.

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I have two Savage 24's. One is .22 Hornet/20, the other is .22/20. The trigger in the .22 version isn't as great as I would like it to be, but it works. The .22 Hornet version is very heavy. They are both fun to have around and handy as truck guns, too. I have no regrets owning them.

My dad has a Savage 24 .22/410 which he worked to a .22 mag. It was actually the first shotgun I used for dove hunting as a kid.

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You have gotten a lot of good advice. I have a savage 30-30 over 20 gage. I've killed deer and small game. I mounted a 2X scope. In a survival situation, I don't see much "wing" shots. Hunting would be for food not sport. My rifle shoots well with anything I poke into it. Cast bullets work well at 30-30 velocity. .22 over 20ga would also be a good choice. rememer you can shoot slugs in the 20 ga.
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The missing with the M24 is the same problem you have with your 11-87 not shooting like your Citoris do; stock fit, specifically drop of comb...With practice you will not see the sights on the gun and probably more guns are made with just a round barrel then with any kind of rib, vented or solid...So shooting flying will improve.

In a SHTF situation you'll ground shoot the birds...I've always thought that the 12/20 bore and the .30/30 Win were the best combo they ever produced followed by the 20 bore and .22 WMR.

The only alternative to the Savage is the Baikal--a lot more expensive or a semi custom European break action but surprising you can get excellent used drillings for just a bit more then the Baikal.

I lust after the metal boxed set J.P. Sauer Model 30 that they made for the Luftwaffe bomber crews in WW2--2x16 over 9.3x74Rmm and add a Briley full length .22 WMR barrel insert in the right shotgun barrel and you're set for anything in North America.

The .222 Rem was the dominant BR cartridge for about 40 years or so until the .22 PPC came out...I have it in a LV and HV BR and a HB Varmint rig and they're all amazingly accurate.
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I know the op is asking for an over under combination but have you considerd thompson center arms tcarms.com it would give you an inter changeable set up sobyiu could go from .223 to 20g to.22 lr to just about any thing else by just swapping the barrel im personaly looking at eather the encore or encore pro hunter for my self leaning moatly to the encore. Oh and the do offer riffled shot gun barrels for slugs
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I had a Savage in .22lr/20ga. for several years, as well as the little springfield scout. Niether of them were a particularly good gun. The problem was, a jack of all trades master of none held true. The .22 barrel didn't ever shoot as well as a real .22 rifle, and the shotgun barrel didn't shoot beyond mediocre.

I ended up selling them both off and buying a good Remington 870 in 20 gauge and having two barrels for it. Modified and slug. If I need a .22 I'll use a real .22 like my S&W K22. Very accurate and totally reliable.

I've sworn off combo guns.
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Hello Retrieverman, thanks for the input on you Blaser O/U. I am located southwest of Houston and would appreciate any info you can provide for dealer of the combo.
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