Standing up?

[bluetrain]

What is it going to take for us, including everyone here, those that call themselves patriots, that desire to have the 3,000 lb. gorilla known as our federal government off of our backs and out of our lives, and out of the business of being the worlds police/bully......to stand up and make our voices known?.......
I mean, just in the last few months we told our representatives in DC NOT to vote for the financial bailout, best guesstaments were 7 to 1 against, but they did it anyway AND THEN the majority of those that did vote for it were re-elected......if this were in Europe or Asia, there would have been marches, worker strikes, etc.......yet we continue on, working, football, getting ready for Christmas, and yes preparing ourselves and family for what may be coming.....but what has to happen to rise up and say enough is enough?.....
I know that during the first American revolution, about 1/3 wanted independence, about 1/3 wanted to remain loyal to the Crown, and the other 1/3 waited to see what was going to happen.......
I am venting more than anything but also would like to hear what you have to say....how do we make our voices heard?.....or is there less anger out there than what I think? Or are we just afraid?

[prettypaisley]

I wish I knew.

I don't think people (the general public) are afraid, I think they are full of apathy. Add to that the ignorance that life as they know it will go on forever and you get a population who has no concept of how this country came about and why the history is so important. I think we are far too many generations away from a real war that threatens us on our soil.

On the other end of that spectrum like you mentioned, who are wrapped up in trying insolate themselves and their family from what is unavoidable, and I don't have the resolve to start up a fight. I'll be there to fight...but I'm not the best organizer. (But I promise I'm not sitting at home watching football.)

[tnrick55]

sign me up and ill patch you up im a retired emt.

[Ford Prefect]

Unfortunately, I really don't think that ANYTHING is going to change the direction our compromised government is heading short of an armed revolution.. Realistically, most of Americans are idiots with a false sense of delusional security about the checks and balances in this country, or lack of.. And I'm not too sure I see masses of people waking up anytime soon, unless we are backed into a corner.. Once that happens, it's too late.. So honestly, and realistically, I almost think there is no hope, simply because I don't have faith in the typical media brainwashed American to WANT to wake up, nevermind actually pull it off..

We have fascism again, even though after WWII everyone said it will never happen again.. The very security measures put in place to prevent it in the future are the very same that have brought it back to us.. It was a very smart plan, quite honestly.. Coup 101.. Why do it quickly and violently, when you can do it slowly enough for people to almost not notice?? And yet people still don't see the danger of our "leaders" being chosen from the same gene pool..

The average American is a blind, stupid and ignorant son of a bitch.

[bluetrain]

I am like you, not going to start a fight, but will be there to fight/defend if/when it comes to it......

[Daddio]

There is a big difference between 1776 and 2008. Technology. Where before a small band of patriots could make a stand, cause some havoc and then, if need be, disappear into the woods to regroup, that is much more difficult now with cameras everywhere, night vision and the like, not to mention the big boy toys currently available to the government, which would enable them to slice through a group of men like sh*t through a goose. Take a lesson from Iraq. See what they can do to small groups of terrorists. That is what they would do to the perhaps 1/3 of patriots that might stand up to any tyranny. (Not saying any of you are terrorists!)

The best we can do now is to try to wait it out, try to subvert from within, find patriot candidates to run for office and be patient. Have faith. The Lord will provide.

[bluetrain]

"The best we can do now is to try to wait it out, try to subvert from within, find patriot candidates to run for office and be patient. Have faith. The Lord will provide."...........

I agree with this.....biggest problem I see with the candidate issue, is election laws that discourage or downright make it impossible for anyone other than the big 2 to run.....therein lies much of the issue.....

[Kregener]

One man with a machine gun can control 100 people.

[HippieSurvivalist]

Well, unlike 90+ percent of the people on this forum, I actually think the the US Federal political process/system, while far from ideal, is actually working relatively well. We've got a new adminstration coming in that's placing a very high value on competence and sound, actually relatively conservative, policy (see Obama's defence and fiscal nominations). We'll be out of Iraq by the end of 2011, we're re-focussing policy on Afganistan, we're going to start investing in long neglected infrastructure projects, that as a bonus will create good paying jobs (a few million construction & related jobs will do a LOT to shore up the US economy, IMO).

I feel even more strongly that my local and state governments are relatively responsive to the citizenry. I'm a bit of an activist and I know that I can meet with my local, state and federal reps (senators and congressman), and they are listening to what the people in their state are saying. My congressperson voted against the first, Bush and CEO-supported version of the financial bailout package, and fought for one with more accountability on the part of the fed and the firms that are getting bailed out. He wound up voting for the second one, which still sucked, but that had some of these protections.

I wonder how many of the people on this forum, who are upset about the way they see things going wrong, have actually taken positive, meaningful action? How many have helped to organize, joined or even started campaigns to help "fix" the country? How many have taken the time to actually run for office, so that your voices mught be better heard?

Tom.

[bluetrain]

Originally Posted by HippieSurvivalist

Well, unlike 90+ percent of the people on this forum, I actually think the the US Federal political process/system, while far from ideal, is actually working relatively well. We've got a new adminstration coming in that's placing a very high value on competence and sound, actually relatively conservative, policy (see Obama's defence and fiscal nominations). We'll be out of Iraq by the end of 2011, we're re-focussing policy on Afganistan, we're going to start investing in long neglected infrastructure projects, that as a bonus will create good paying jobs (a few million construction & related jobs will do a LOT to shore up the US economy, IMO).

I feel even more strongly that my local and state governments are relatively responsive to the citizenry. I'm a bit of an activist and I know that I can meet with my local, state and federal reps (senators and congressman), and they are listening to what the people in their state are saying. My congressperson voted against the first, Bush and CEO-supported version of the financial bailout package, and fought for one with more accountability on the part of the fed and the firms that are getting bailed out. He wound up voting for the second one, which still sucked, but that had some of these protections. ............

.........oh my.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by Kregener

One man with a machine gun can control 100 people.

Vote from the rooftops.... =)

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by HippieSurvivalist

Well, unlike 90+ percent of the people on this forum, I actually think the the US Federal political process/system, while far from ideal, is actually working relatively well. We've got a new adminstration coming in that's placing a very high value on competence and sound, actually relatively conservative, policy (see Obama's defence and fiscal nominations). We'll be out of Iraq by the end of 2011, we're re-focussing policy on Afganistan, we're going to start investing in long neglected infrastructure projects, that as a bonus will create good paying jobs (a few million construction & related jobs will do a LOT to shore up the US economy, IMO).

I feel even more strongly that my local and state governments are relatively responsive to the citizenry. I'm a bit of an activist and I know that I can meet with my local, state and federal reps (senators and congressman), and they are listening to what the people in their state are saying. My congressperson voted against the first, Bush and CEO-supported version of the financial bailout package, and fought for one with more accountability on the part of the fed and the firms that are getting bailed out. He wound up voting for the second one, which still sucked, but that had some of these protections.

I wonder how many of the people on this forum, who are upset about the way they see things going wrong, have actually taken positive, meaningful action? How many have helped to organize, joined or even started campaigns to help "fix" the country? How many have taken the time to actually run for office, so that your voices mught be better heard?

Tom.

Hey, I just figured out a way to make all of what you just said appear possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZvsAdDRJgY

[Vergeltung]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

We have fascism again, .

we do? jeebus, could have fooled me. come to think of it, we are just like Italy and Germany in the 1930s, right?

of course we are not. it's a foolish use of a term, and in over-using it, it loses it's meaning altogether. may I suggest you check out Jonah Goldberg's book Liberal Fascism.

it's an excellent work, and it might clear a few things up for ya.

[Cannon Fodder]

We are worlds away from true fascisim. Our government is NOT oppressing us. They aren't murdering dissidents, our government-believe it or not-is pretty freaking transparent! And we as a people are awfully free. Even compared to other "free" countries. There are some political and idealogical divisions in our country right now. Some pretty big ones. Are they worthy of killing/dying for right now? I don't think so! Until something drastic happens, like a forced disarmament, or martial law, or a coup or something like that, things are going okay in the USA. That could change quickly, but for now things are pretty stable.

[Rubber Ducky]

Originally Posted by bluetrain

what has to happen to rise up and say enough is enough?.....
I know that during the first American revolution, about 1/3 wanted independence, about 1/3 wanted to remain loyal to the Crown, and the other 1/3 waited to see what was going to happen.......
I am venting more than anything but also would like to hear what you have to say....how do we make our voices heard?.....or is there less anger out there than what I think? Or are we just afraid?

What would it take for America to get off their butt and let their voices be heard? Not quite sure, but the majority of America (the whites) have not marched in a very long time. The blacks had their cause with the Million Man March, the hispanics had the immigration march where a million and a half marched, but what will get white America off of their butts to march and let their voices be heard? I don't know but by the time we decide to stand up it may be too late.

500,000 hispanic march in Dallas LINK

[FXjohn]

Originally Posted by Cannon Fodder

We are worlds away from true fascisim.

I doubt if many here really understand the meanings of terms thrown around such as Facism, Socialism, or what a "Nazi regime" is like.

[Vergeltung]

Originally Posted by FXjohn

I doubt if many here really understand the meanings of terms thrown around such as Facism, Socialism, or what a "Nazi regime" is like.

agree with ya there Johnnie. certain words are misused so much, they get distorted beyond easy comprehension.

[Kregener]

They aren't murdering dissidents

260,000 Confederate war dead, Sammy & Vickie Weaver, 80 dead at Waco would disagree.

Whole-heartedly, would be my guess.

Not to mention all the folks ruined and/or killed by the financial mafia enforcement arm of the Federal Behemoth, the IRS.

Transparent?

Jekyll Island
Pearl Harbor
U.S.S. Liberty
Gulf of Tonkin
Watergate
Iran/Contra
9/11/01

Sleep resumes...slide continues...

[Vergeltung]

Pearl Harbor!??!??! yeah, that must have been an inside job.

oh my god, where do these people come from?

[Kregener]

Didn't say Pearl Harbor was an 'inside job', YOU did.

Knowing it was coming, and allowing it to happen is a far cry from planning and carrying it out yourself.

It is pretty evident where YOU come from. Revisionist history taught in public indoctrination centers to compliant and obedient sheep in 55 minute segments.