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Old 11-23-2008, 11:38 AM
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Given the way things are looking in the us as of late and are likely to turn int he future, me and Rosie have decided to get a relatively cheap rifle of some sort for home defense. (and hunting if needed)

Currently we're looking into a pump action 12 gauge or some type of .30-30 or 30.06 (likely bolt action unless we find a level action cheap)

Just curious what other people thoughts are as to which would be more useful/better investment.

We're hoping to ideally spend less than $150 for the weapon. (lesser the better given our budget)
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Go with the 12 gauge. 30.30 is not so great for home defense whereas the 12 you can get different chokes and anything from bird shot to slugs which makes it more versatile.

I have a 30.30 and although it's my favorite of all my guns, it would not be the one I grabbed for home defense.
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well after i get my 223 remington 700 sps im gonna trade in my shotgun to get a 30-30
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Check ammo prices... 12ga 00 buck is getting to be $1 per round or more
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the 12ga pump is the most versatile weapon you can buy. you just got to get the stockpile of ammo for what you want to use it for. but you can do it all accept maybe kill a grizzly bear.

if you get a shotgun try and get 1 with an extra barrel, the short barrel is for home def. and the longer barrel is for hunting
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+1 on the shotgun "good for defense and can put about any type of meat in this hemisphere on the table"
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Thanks for the advice everyone, we'll be looking into a good pump action this coming month then. Anyone have a particular model they prefer and why? (ideally under $150)

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Mossberg 500 it is the most bang for your buck (pardon the pun) Solid and reliable. I hope this dosnt start the 870 vs 500 debate. IMO they are very comparable and the 500 is slighty less expensive. Also, It is what I have.
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but you can do it all accept maybe kill a grizzly bear.

if you get a shotgun try and get 1 with an extra barrel, the short barrel is for home def. and the longer barrel is for hunting
I have heard, from someone who is from Alaska and who I consider reliable, that a 12 gauge shotgun with a sabot round is an effective anti-grizzly weapon. I hope never to find out for myself

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You will have to be very very lucky to find one or $150 or less.
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you might find one of these in a pawn shop for under $150

http://www.academy.com/index.php?pag...350-01883-0231

http://www.academy.com/index.php?pag...350-01883-5002

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=116686586

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=116724211

http://www.gundirectory.com/more.asp...05&gun=Shotgun

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i bought my mossberg 500 at wally world for like $219. came with long barrel and chokes. then bought a 18" barrel for home defense for like $80. its a great gun i love it. i recently bought a 500 with a 18" barrel at a gun auction for $125 in fantastic shape. i think there is a website called auctionzip that tells you where auctuions are and what they have to sell.
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If you are as poor as you say you are then do what I did, Get a Maverick 88. It's a budget version of the mosseburg 500. There are a few differences but mainly it's the saftey position. I hate the saftey on my maverick but it is useable (I don't use it though). Ammo price is only a consideration if you treat shotgun ammo like rifle ammo. IMHO you don't need 1000 rounds of 12 gauge to do what 1000 rounds of rifle ammo will do. You will not use nearly as much ammo for your shotty unless your comparing it to a sniper rifle firing at a distance, which doesn't sound like your situation.

Shotgun is your best choice if you can only afford one long gun.

I suggest the short barrel using federal flight control buck shot. Long barrel doesn't seem to make a big difference, it's all in the choke.
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Mossberg 500 it is the most bang for your buck (pardon the pun) Solid and reliable. I hope this dosnt start the 870 vs 500 debate. IMO they are very comparable and the 500 is slighty less expensive. Also, It is what I have.
I own an 870 and I would not recommend it for home defense. The action bar lock is poorly placed (you have to move your hand out of the firing position to use it) and there's a flap guarding the magazine that pinches the fingers and really slows down the reloading process. It's even pushed a couple of slugs out of my hand when I wasn't careful. And this was in a no-danger, no-adrenaline situation; just sighting in my scope. The position of the safety on the 500 is superior as well; if I want to turn the safety back on on my 870, yet again, I have to move my hand out of the firing position.

The 870 is arguably a better hunting weapon. But there shouldn't even be a debate on which is better for home defense; hands down, the 500, if only for the reasons mentioned above. Any shotgun will do the job, but simplicity is better; and there's just little things about the 870 that can trip you up in the heat of the moment. I for one wouldn't trust myself to be clear-headed and coordinated when I'm ambushed in the middle of the night, half-asleep, half-naked, fumbling for a box of ammunition while potentially being shot at or attacked or otherwise just bursting with adrenaline.

A 12 gauge shotgun is definitely the way to go. Probably the best home defense weapon there is. The Mossberg 500 seems to be the standard nowadays as far as those go.

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I for one wouldn't trust myself to be clear-headed and coordinated when I'm ambushed in the middle of the night, half-asleep, half-naked, fumbling for a box of ammunition while potentially being shot at or attacked or otherwise just bursting with adrenaline.
Ouch I must be paranoid I keep flashlight, .44 mag and a 45/70 with a 1.5X5 loaded by the bed lol. Wife has a light and a .44. Chilton county Alabama is not the place for breaking and entering. I have also noted that firing the 45-70 into an oak tree spays the guy trying to steal chickens with bark! No real damage but dang convincing.
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It's only paranoia until the day you need to use it - then it's just "being prepared."
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If things keep going the way there are, having an anti aircraft gun mounted on your roof may stop being considered parinoid, LOL
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If you buy a shotgun, Please, please, use the full length stock. Please resist the urge to put a pistol grip on it. (I'm talking about just the pistol grip, not the pistol grips with full stock). A 20 gauge will also defend your hope and put food on the table and is much easier to handle by women and small persons.
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Thanks for the feedback and links by everyone so far.

Currently I'm looking into a 12gauge Mossberg 600 (used) for $185.00

Any thoughts/opinions on the 600 series?
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