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Old 10-09-2013, 01:04 PM
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I've purchased a Savage Hog Hunter in 223 with a 20" 1:9 barrel, threaded to use my Tactical innovation TAC16 suppressor.

I have access to various powders, primers, and brass, and had even tried reloading subsonics once for it but due to cycling issues on an AR15 I gave up.

I've got a variety of pulls - SS109 penetrator tips, M196 55gr tracers, M856 63.7 grain tracers (1:7 recommended), as well as some new boxes of various bullets from 45-77 grains.

I've not even fired the rifle yet as I'm actually waiting on USPS to deliver it to my local FFL (due yesterday).

I live in a rural area, I can shoot in my back yard, but coyotes have been hitting my chickens at night and I don't want to spook the neighbors. They're good but I don't want one calling the cops if I wake on up from shooting overnight.

Anyone have any pet loads, or recommendations? Thanks!
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.22cal long.
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Ok, how does that help with load ideas for a 1:9 savage 223 ?
Old 10-09-2013, 01:32 PM
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A subsonic 5.56 isn't all that different from a .22LR; it'll be a .22cal projectile moving at 1000fps. They're not really going to be effective rounds either, as velocity is what makes 5.56 work well. For a fraction of the cost per round you could just shoot standard .22LR rounds, rather than trying to cook up some custom load.

Also, if you wanted to make sub sonic 5.56 you'd have to use something relatively heavy for caliber, so 1:9 is less than ideal.
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Bullet length, not weight, is what determines what twist is best.

Using 55f the bullet would need to be below 1112.08 fps, and I've found a 1:9 can stabilize a bullet of 73gr making 200.42 ft lbs of energy.
A 22lr of 40gr traveling 1280 fps makes 145.49 ft lbs, that's about 2/3's of the energy of the slower 223.

I'm not looking to hunt deer, wild boar, or elephants, but a well placed shot should take down a coyote or raccoon that's killing my chickens.

Even if not truly subsonic, the can will still quiet the round where someone a couple hundred yards away inside their house would not hear the shot.
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I messed with some subsonic 223 loads a while back. Trailboss seems to be the answer to what powder to use.

An issue you will run into is barrel twist. A bullet that will stabilize in a barrel at full velocity may not at subsonic. Heaviest I could go was some 65 gr bullets I had, 1-9 twist, 69 gr were key holing and all over the place at just 10 yds. Good chance of hitting baffles.

That is not absolute on weight, it would depend on the bullet and how its made. Tracers are going to be long for their weight so probably not work. Seems a flat based spitzer you might get some more weight before it gets unstable, vs a boat tail. I read some were loading them backwards eliminating the stability issue. This would create feed issues obviously.

Are they worth messing with? Maybe. 65gr is better than the 40gr used in a 22lr subsonic. And a 223 bullet will be more aerodynamic. But don't expect great results. In the subsonic arena weight is where its at, since your velocity is fixed, more weight more energy. Honestly a full powdered 223 thru a can is like a 22lr out of a rifle. Its not really very loud, and down range difficult to determine where it came from. I messed with it, then moved on to other projects.
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Yeah dude, I fiddled around with the idea of subsonic 5.56 a while back. Conclusion: Its not worth it. You'll basically just have to handload your own variety.

5.56 just ain't made to be subsonic.

Get a 300 BLK barrel and be done with it. Seriously. I know the can you are running won't take a 300 BLK round........but I dont know what else to tell you. 5.56 at subsonic velocities is just dumb.

The ONLY thing I can think of is to find the absolute heaviest gr 556 bullet you can and experiment with hand loading. The general rule of subsonic"ism" is that you try to weight up the projectile as much as you can.....before you start to cut the powder. Heaviest projectile I've heard of in that caliber is Sierra .224 90 gr MatchKing HPBT. However, with that heavy of a bullet, you're going to need a quick twist rate like maybe a 1:7 (or less).
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Sucks, I would have thought if you were in an area rural enough to be raising chickens, nobody would mind you shooting a coyote.
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I thought about getting a Ruger 77/44 mag and supessing it. comes with scope mounts

you could load a cast on a 44 special case or 44 Russian and about the only sound would be the firing pin hitting the primer.

besides since you bought the Democrat Robert MacNamara round. the 223 you want that thing to be going as fast as you can get
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I've thought about the 300 blackout, and taking my TAC16 and opening it up to 30 cal.
Anyone know the legalities of me modifieng my own suppressor?
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Anyone have any pet loads, or recommendations? Thanks!
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I thought about getting a Ruger 77/44 mag and supessing it. comes with scope mounts

you could load a cast on a 44 special case or 44 Russian and about the only sound would be the firing pin hitting the primer.

besides since you bought the Democrat Robert MacNamara round. the 223 you want that thing to be going as fast as you can get
Actually the .44 Special loaded with a .452 round ball swaged down works like you wouldn't believe and is about as stable as you're gonna get.

A Ruger 96/44 is even handier than the 77/44 for this purpose. Faster cycling and 'trimmer' in profile.
The 96 with handloads and an integral can, can be truly scary quiet.
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I've thought about the 300 blackout, and taking my TAC16 and opening it up to 30 cal.
Anyone know the legalities of me modifieng my own suppressor?
Probably wouldn't be - seeing as the caliber is included in the Form 4 that you signed and have the tax stamp affixed to.

However, I have yet to hear of a random ATF agent taking a pair of calipers to a suppressor. If that happens, you screwed up somewhere else along the lines and modification is the least of your concerns.
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Actually the .44 Special loaded with a .452 round ball swaged down works like you wouldn't believe and is about as stable as you're gonna get.

A Ruger 96/44 is even handier than the 77/44 for this purpose. Faster cycling and 'trimmer' in profile.
The 96 with handloads and an integral can, can be truly scary quiet.
I just picked up a Marlin 1894 in 44 mag. I currently do not have a resizing doe or round balls, but I know shooting a buckshot ball in a Mosin with blanks is pretty quiet and effective at close range.
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