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Old 09-28-2013, 11:06 PM
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is it possible to remove the headstamp on brass and replace with own?

is it possible to buy brass without a headstamp?

is it generally legal to remove and replace (or obtain blank and put own)?

is it legal to reload and sell said ammo?

barring the above...it is legal to reload ammo and resell it in general yes?

just curious.

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Old 09-28-2013, 11:13 PM
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is it possible to remove the headstamp on brass and replace with own?

is it possible to buy brass without a headstamp?

is it generally legal to remove and replace (or obtain blank and put own)?

is it legal to reload and sell said ammo?

barring the above...it is legal to reload ammo and resell it in general yes?

just curious.

no flames please.

thanks
Headstamps are generally too deep to remove them

Idont know of anyone that sells headstamp free brass.

Its probably legal to put your own headstamp if you did somehow have a blank brass but there are possible liability issues.

Rolling your own is definitely legal. Im not sure about the details on selling but your state and/or the feds may want you to pay ammo tax on it if you are selling it
are potential liability issues.
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You need a federal license to manufacture ammo to sell.
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is it possible to remove the headstamp on brass and replace with own?

Th current stamp is too deep and removing will affect too many other dimensions. Not practical.

is it possible to buy brass without a headstamp?

Yes, but min lots of brass from a custom manufacturer are usually 100,000 pieces

is it generally legal to remove and replace (or obtain blank and put own)?

You can have any stamp you want as long as you don't violate someone's copyright or trademark.

is it legal to reload and sell said ammo?

Yes, but you need a license to sell it and I would suggest some good liability insurance.

barring the above...it is legal to reload ammo and resell it in general yes?

See answer above.

just curious.

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Old 09-29-2013, 08:35 AM
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Theres no removing the stamps on a case. You can, I convert 303 enfield to 410 brass shot shells. The rim is to thick, lathing off the the stamps is just the right amount. Which would lead to a major problem for most applications, you would no longer be able to use rifle primers in a rifle case, they would protrude, more than likely slam fire. Works fine using pistol primers in a 410.

Never seen blank cases, probably could order some, but as some one said you would need to order alot of them.

Putting on your own, well doing it in your garage would be problematic. Without the right equipment you would be doing them one at a time.

Making and SELLING reloaded ammo is an expensive proposition. And right now probably hard to do with the availability of things like bullets to reload with.
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Most brass makers will make a "special run" with your headstamp on it. But there will be a minimum order, 10,000 or more normally.

Right now, unless you have a couple million sitting around, actual ammo manufacture is not a profitable sideline. Components are hard enough to get as to make it unfeasable.

Your best bet is going to be a custom run from one of the smaller manufacturers, such as Black Hills, Georgia Arms or such. And again, we're not talking a couple of cases but tractor trailer loads to make it pencil out.
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ok so changing or having custom headstamps is not mechanically or economically practical. i had my reservations but just wanted to be sure.

what i would like to do is sell a percentage of the reloads that ill do. in the hope that some of the profit can help partially fund purchasing weapons and ammo that i wish to have. i have no problem sitting at a workbench cranking out ammo for a few hours a day. so i thought maybe i could put the time to use in more ways than one.

im thinking that a friend of mine and i could go halfsies on a barrel of brass and reload half for our needs and sell the other half.

i dont see reloads for sale on gun broker. is the reason because its not legal to do so? a few commented that it was legal. so i wonder how to go about it.

i know ebay doesnt sell ammunition but im hoping to find an equivalent site that i could list reloads and sell them rather than making my own site. craigslist has brass but ammo is restricted (really stupid in my opinion but w/e).

has anyone done this? even on a word of mouth basis or putting an ad on the bulletin at the range?

i hadnt considered liability issues. thanks for bringing it up. im guessing that this might be the one thing that prevents me from doing this. i bet the premium is ridiculous even if obtainable.
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i suppose another approach might be to re-sell the brass itself.

so obtain a large barrel, keeping cost per casing down. keep what i want. then de-prime, clean, trim and polish the rest. sell in smaller quantities?
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if you want to make sure the primer exposure isnt a problem (i.e. not grinding the stamp out via material removal) i suppose one coudl braze some brass into the headstamp (adding material), and then grind/polish down to spec... then you could stamp your own...

the issue is going to be the brazing heat... you might end up melting the case.
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Just getting the brass hot enough to braze it will make it unusable.

You can't reload ammo to sell without a license - you can't sell it without a license.

It is prohibitively expensive to buy custom head stamped brass unless you have a huge market for it. Since it will be an unknown head stamp I doubt many people would buy it.

If you want to make money to finance your purchases you can collect range brass and sell it but again until you have a solid sales reputation it will be slow.
You could collect range brass and (gag) recycle it but it is only worth a third in scrap what the brass is sold to reloaders.
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I bought a big bag of range brass at the gun show, $45 for a little over 1000 9mm cases, or $4.50/100. Not really gonna be able to raise the price much in smaller amounts unless you do something to make it worth it. Now you might be able to get a bit more if you sold 100 rd lots of one brand of brass, but a time consuming process. I sold 500 federals to a friend for $40, good deal for him and I got 500 for $5.

I saw plenty of bags of range brass, you can get it again of the internet, tho prices are up from where they were. I doubt you have to time to sit around and screw with the brass to even make it worth while.
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Starline will put your own headstamp on (at least they used to) bulk brass orders. You might call & check pricing.

Insurance will probably kill off your commercial reloading plans, if zoning laws & fire codes don't.
It's not as simple as you think.
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You need an ammo manufacturing FFL. Info and application is on the ATF website.
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You need an ammo manufacturing FFL. Info and application is on the ATF website.
As one with the license, let me say, I hope you are patient.

It took 8+ months to get my license.
Now add a shutdown to that.

Good luck.

And better call your insurance agent before going any farther. Profits vanish quickly.
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As one with the license, let me say, I hope you are patient.

It took 8+ months to get my license.
Now add a shutdown to that.

Good luck.

And better call your insurance agent before going any farther. Profits vanish quickly.
can i ask how much it cost you and how much it might cost to maintain???

edit: think i found the answer.... intial type 06 license is $30 for 3 years, but the registration with DoS seems to be $2250 a year... and this is only regulatory fees and doesnt include taxes, LLC/legal fees, and business insurance...

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.ht...&f=44&t=287088
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